Guest Col city fan Posted 20 June 2017 Posted 20 June 2017 1 hour ago, ARM1968 said: Col - you applied for chief scout yet? You're truly wasted in here Just being honest mate. Some players, you can just see they are composed at a very early age. Some look very different. Kaputska has been nowhere near the first team. Amartey looks to not have the first clue what he's doing in the side. Ndidi just looks different. I think Chilwell is probably going to be good enough too. He needs a chance next season imo.
Guest Col city fan Posted 20 June 2017 Posted 20 June 2017 1 hour ago, ARM1968 said: Everyone needs a chance Col, even you ? What are you posting this for? Because I disagreed with you and dared to say I don't rate Kaputska or Amartey? It's a football forum...get over it. Note to self..have a bit of time off here to regain some semblance of normality
gurru991 Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 Way to early to give up on Amartey or Kaputska. They are very different situations but one more year isn't going to make any difference. Let Shakey do some evaluations and go from there
themightyfin Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 How you can write someone off at such an early age before getting a fair chance is beyond me. Anyone remember a certain Jamie Vardy? Also thrown on the scrap heap?
ARM1968 Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 Col - don't take things to heart. You're as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine. Right of wrong just carry on. No facts - just opinions, unless we're talking about actual facts in a factual manner. And you wont take time off, you can't, it's a drug.
fuchsntf Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 6 hours ago, gurru991 said: Way to early to give up on Amartey or Kaputska. They are very different situations but one more year isn't going to make any difference. Let Shakey do some evaluations and go from there At last...Smart thinking. Yes they havent hit the ground running, but they were brought in, for various reasons. Amartey should be now seeing this s e ason as his breakthrough season.He needs to show he wants the ball. Kaputska, should be having more gametime this season, then see how they both develope. IMHO, A season too early to judge, if they should be moved on. How could they advance, when the 1st choices were playing Bloody miserable, across the board. We finished 12th, but a bad 12th, 85% Of our performances were turgid and abysmal. When criticising fringe, or only squad players, the 1st teams Lack of Energy/quality should not be forgotten.
FrankieADZ Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 think it would probably benefit both Kaputska and Amartey in going out on loan and getting actually game time; can imagine teams in the championship would like either of them tbh; personally i wouldnt get rid of either, as already said, its too early to judge on them and given time hopefully theyll shine
brucey Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 http://thesetpieces.com/features/bartosz-kapustka-point-prove-poland-face-england-21-euros/ good read
Harry96 Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 I don't even think he'll start considering he's coming back from injury and his replacement scored a goal. He was also poor in first game albeit it did play on left wing.
Jacnah Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 On 2017-4-20 at 10:29, Koke said: Wasilewski was picked ahead of Benny under Ranieri. And we all know Benny is a better option than Wasilewski. So Ranieri did make a mistake on that. Managers make errors a lot of time when it comes to judging players. No we don't all know that Benny is a better option than Was - he may be he may not be. I don't watch training every day and I don't set the tactics for the team in which one might excel over the other. what you are effectively saying is "Managers sometimes make decisions I don't agree with"
fuchsntf Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 3 hours ago, brucey said: http://thesetpieces.com/features/bartosz-kapustka-point-prove-poland-face-england-21-euros/ good read Well fouñd article.Enjoyed reading it.Lets hope he has the fight and quality in him to develope and evolve. For me Gray and Kapu, if wanting to stay, should be shown patience. They are 2 players I would easily give another 2 years, before deciding if they can realise their past potential.BUT must get bench and Gametime in the PL, not only in the cups.
Koke Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 2 hours ago, Jacnah said: No we don't all know that Benny is a better option than Was - he may be he may not be. I don't watch training every day and I don't set the tactics for the team in which one might excel over the other. what you are effectively saying is "Managers sometimes make decisions I don't agree with" No I'm saying managers sometimes make mistakes and have bad judgements. It's weird that you're trying to dispute that fact.
Jacnah Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 54 minutes ago, Koke said: No I'm saying managers sometimes make mistakes and have bad judgements. It's weird that you're trying to dispute that fact. I wasn't disputing that fact. I was disputing what you were saying. You've tried to produce an argument that Ranieri made a mistake based on bad judgement. You've produce opinion to back up that claim rather than connected facts, so the conclusion doesn't logically follow from your arguments. I'm not arguing your right to an opinion, or the fact that sometimes managers make errors of judgement.
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 He needs a loan in the championship for a year.
Guest Col city fan Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 3 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Well fouñd article.Enjoyed reading it.Lets hope he has the fight and quality in him to develope and evolve. For me Gray and Kapu, if wanting to stay, should be shown patience. They are 2 players I would easily give another 2 years, before deciding if they can realise their past potential.BUT must get bench and Gametime in the PL, not only in the cups. It's the Premiership matey. You don't get time to try out players in the hope that game time will make them good enough. You say they 'must' get bench and game time. Why? If there is someone better to bench or play, you bench or play them. That's pretty much how it works. If we have three or four players, all fit and better than Kaputska, heading into a Premiership game, you wouldn't play him would you? Now IF Shakey sees something in training that makes him want to start any of the young lads above any of the other players, I'm sure he would do. But he doesn't HAVE to does he? Personally, the two I think are really knocking on the first team door are Chilwell and Gray. But Shakey will decide ultimately.
VLC86 Posted 21 June 2017 Posted 21 June 2017 Slag a player off Suggest he leaves after a year Someone says "Remember Jamie Vardy?" Repeat until the end of eternity.
yorkie1999 Posted 22 June 2017 Posted 22 June 2017 So his former coach say's he's a no.10 not a winger, we're after a no. 10 not a winger. Why don't we just play him in his natural role.
Nickfosse Posted 22 June 2017 Posted 22 June 2017 58 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: So his former coach say's he's a no.10 not a winger, we're after a no. 10 not a winger. Why don't we just play him in his natural role. Tbf we did, versus Millwall in the FA cup
AKCJ Posted 22 June 2017 Posted 22 June 2017 14 hours ago, Col city fan said: It's the Premiership matey. You don't get time to try out players in the hope that game time will make them good enough. Its this totally wrong opinion that is really stunting the growth of home grown talent.
Babylon Posted 22 June 2017 Posted 22 June 2017 On 20/06/2017 at 17:42, Col city fan said: Ndidi is 20 yrs old and has had approx half a season in a blue shirt. Does that mean he requires 'more game time' before we make an assessment of the player? Id pretty much decided on Amartey after half a dozen games..and said so on this forum. Id also pretty much decided on Ndidi after even fewer games. And said so on this forum. If they are good enough, the age don't matter. Of the little ive seen of Kaputska, there is a glimpse of some skill there. But he looks generally miles off being a Prem standard player imo. It's almost like you think young players aren't capable of improving.
FrankieADZ Posted 22 June 2017 Posted 22 June 2017 24 minutes ago, Nickfosse said: Tbf we did, versus Millwall in the FA cup cant really go by that game as no one actually played well plus he'd need a few games in that position to fully judge imo
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 June 2017 Posted 22 June 2017 5 hours ago, AKCJ said: Its this totally wrong opinion that is really stunting the growth of home grown talent. I'm not say I agree with it (I dont) I'm saying that's how it is.
UPinCarolina Posted 22 June 2017 Posted 22 June 2017 6 hours ago, Nickfosse said: Tbf we did, versus Millwall in the FA cup If I recall, he was the only player making things pop off that day. I was furious when Claudio took him off the pitch.
fuchsntf Posted 22 June 2017 Posted 22 June 2017 20 hours ago, Col city fan said: It's the Premiership matey. You don't get time to try out players in the hope that game time will make them good enough. You say they 'must' get bench and game time. Why? If there is someone better to bench or play, you bench or play them. That's pretty much how it works. If we have three or four players, all fit and better than Kaputska, heading into a Premiership game, you wouldn't play him would you? Now IF Shakey sees something in training that makes him want to start any of the young lads above any of the other players, I'm sure he would do. But he doesn't HAVE to does he? Personally, the two I think are really knocking on the first team door are Chilwell and Gray. But Shakey will decide ultimately. Part of growing into a top 8 club, over a period of time is keeping your fringe and young potential young talent. The Manu, Liverpool, Chelseas, etc dont just discard their younger wanna bees, neither should we. Yes the PL becomes the hard battle ground, but top clubs doshow patience and both management, and clubs, do show their potential young players, they will be tested, and thrown in the deep end, but not out sourced, because of a few avg games.Sometimes the players are put on the backburner, and fans Lose sight of them, then either season end, or the next season they come to the fore. Kane is only one example I dont disagree with anything or your base idea, it is how it works!! , its just some posters are too willing to Ditch some players, or move them on. Its too early to brand Gray, Kapu, or even Amartey as lost causes. Thats all I am saying, plus if any young player like Kapu wants or believes he deserves 1st team football, and decides, for "him" its time to move on and look the Tiger in the eye...its their choice. I see no negative or am I ready to 'slag' the Youngster wanting more.. Its just If the player is willing to fight and stay to prove his worth, patience for would be 1st teamers, Or quality fringe players, should not be....well...for want of a better idea should not be underrated. We always need cover, plus we need that patience, so we suddenly see the success like Vardy, kane, Chilwell, blossom, or explode on the scene for Us and not the competitors... Of course Chilly, Gray, Ndidi, will make mistakes, and Kapu might stutter. Yes Ndidi, we might see, struggle in his 2nd season... I just would like from this forum...not to always 'go for broke' on every player, and wrongly decide, Any individual, should insta n tly be Discarded or moved ln.
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