Kapustka to Freiburg - Now Agreed

[gurru991]

With every finishing position in the Prem representing big money it's gets harder to blood young players. Playing under 23 football really doesn't prepare a player for being in front of 40,000 fans and playing for Premier league position. Hopefully Kapustka will earn a chance this season.

[gurru991]

3 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Part of growing into a top 8 club, over a period of time is keeping your fringe and young potential young talent.

The Manu, Liverpool, Chelseas, etc dont just discard their younger wanna bees, neither should we.

Yes the PL becomes the hard battle ground, but top clubs doshow patience and both management,

and clubs, do show their potential young players, they will be tested, and thrown in the deep end, but

not out sourced, because of a few avg games.Sometimes the players are put on the backburner, and fans

Lose sight of them, then either season end, or the next season they come to the fore.

Kane is only one example

I dont disagree with anything or your base idea, it is how it works!!

, its just some posters are too willing to

Ditch some players, or move them on. Its too early to brand Gray, Kapu, or even Amartey as lost causes.

Thats all I am saying, plus if any young player like Kapu wants or believes he deserves 1st team football,

and decides, for "him" its time to move on and look the Tiger in the eye...its their choice.

I see no negative or am I ready to 'slag' the Youngster wanting more..

Its just If the player is willing to fight and stay to prove his worth, patience for would be 1st teamers,

Or quality fringe players, should not be....well...for want of a better idea should not be underrated.

We always need cover, plus we need that patience, so we suddenly see the success like Vardy, kane,

Chilwell, blossom, or explode on the scene for Us and not the competitors...

Of course Chilly, Gray, Ndidi, will make mistakes, and Kapu might stutter.

Yes Ndidi, we might see, struggle in his 2nd season...

I just would like from this forum...not to always 'go for broke' on every player, and wrongly decide,

Any  individual, should insta n tly be  Discarded or moved ln.

Very Well Said

[Guest Col city fan]

16 minutes ago, gurru991 said:

With every finishing position in the Prem representing big money it's gets harder to blood young players. Playing under 23 football really doesn't prepare a player for being in front of 40,000 fans and playing for Premier league position. Hopefully Kapustka will earn a chance this season.

Spot on. Kaputska must 'earn' a position in the side. You don't or can't do as fuchs said earlier...play him to develop him. It's a points business and you play your BEST team in the league, week-in, week-out. If Kaputska is not that player, he won't play.

[Guest Col city fan]

22 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Part of growing into a top 8 club, over a period of time is keeping your fringe and young potential young talent.

The Manu, Liverpool, Chelseas, etc dont just discard their younger wanna bees, neither should we.

Yes the PL becomes the hard battle ground, but top clubs doshow patience and both management,

and clubs, do show their potential young players, they will be tested, and thrown in the deep end, but

not out sourced, because of a few avg games.Sometimes the players are put on the backburner, and fans

Lose sight of them, then either season end, or the next season they come to the fore.

Kane is only one example

I dont disagree with anything or your base idea, it is how it works!!

, its just some posters are too willing to

Ditch some players, or move them on. Its too early to brand Gray, Kapu, or even Amartey as lost causes.

Thats all I am saying, plus if any young player like Kapu wants or believes he deserves 1st team football,

and decides, for "him" its time to move on and look the Tiger in the eye...its their choice.

I see no negative or am I ready to 'slag' the Youngster wanting more..

Its just If the player is willing to fight and stay to prove his worth, patience for would be 1st teamers,

Or quality fringe players, should not be....well...for want of a better idea should not be underrated.

We always need cover, plus we need that patience, so we suddenly see the success like Vardy, kane,

Chilwell, blossom, or explode on the scene for Us and not the competitors...

Of course Chilly, Gray, Ndidi, will make mistakes, and Kapu might stutter.

Yes Ndidi, we might see, struggle in his 2nd season...

I just would like from this forum...not to always 'go for broke' on every player, and wrongly decide,

Any  individual, should insta n tly be  Discarded or moved ln.

You aren't saying what you said before. I'm not advocating young players are 'discarded'. But neither can they play 'in case' they become good enough. 

If they are good enough, they play. The boss will see this all week in training. 

If they aren't good enough, they won't play.

Nothing has been seen so far in Kaputska to suggest he's good enough. 

If you are suggesting that Man Utd for example, brought through Giggs, Beckham, Scholes etc it was simply because they were good enough. There are a thousand more young Man Utd players who don't break through.

[fuchsntf]

26 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

You aren't saying what you said before. I'm not advocating young players are 'discarded'. But neither can they play 'in case' they become good enough. 

If they are good enough, they play. The boss will see this all week in training. 

If they aren't good enough, they won't play.

Nothing has been seen so far in Kaputska to suggest he's good enough. 

If you are suggesting that Man Utd for example, brought through Giggs, Beckham, Scholes etc it was simply because they were good enough. There are a thousand more young Man Utd players who don't break through.

Just For the discussion...I would say lets forget that era, from Manu...

There are for the big clubs over many years, examples of the Lost talent, the ones that just dont make the grade, One that have a brilliant 1-2 seasons, then really fade away. NO discussion.

I am just saying.."forum"  banter,  like the big clubs do, lets keep at the moment,

our Wanna bees.

 

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If they want and are willing like you say, be scrutinised from Shakey and coaching staff.... Keep 'em.

Let them prove themSelves with  us...That alsogoes for the new buys from last season.

We start from square one...and reuse and rebuild...Our wished perfect players are not out there, if we can grab a couple of gems brilliant..!!?  If not lets see what the newbuys and youngsters

Can do..Ranieris tactic and italian expectations was false, not the players...hence 18th to 12th.

 

We are not far off each other, you and I  $ col...    we just need tweeking..

Ps...Babylon is a Bit of a  snob...but I like him also

 

[gurru991]

40 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Spot on. Kaputska must 'earn' a position in the side. You don't or can't do as fuchs said earlier...play him to develop him. It's a points business and you play your BEST team in the league, week-in, week-out. If Kaputska is not that player, he won't play.

Nobody should play unless they have earned their spot. That includes youngsters trying to break in & regular players trying to keep their spot.Competition for playing time makes a team stronger.

 

[fuchsntf]

20 hours ago, gurru991 said:

Nobody should play unless they have earned their spot. That includes youngsters trying to break in & regular players trying to keep their spot.Competition for playing time makes a team stronger.

 

But since time immemorial..All clubs/teams and even today will throw in a couple of youngsters. Top, middle, struggling teams...Some even who may not of lit up the training ground. Trying out your different wares makes you stronger, because it keeps competition,

Going. A manager doesnt need to explain to his single top players...I want to try something new.

You will be on the bench these next 2 games.... (but they do..!!)

They play both sides of the coin.Not running scared of football lost points.

Every single manager has been a Ranieri and tinkered during the season...

Even Cloughie and The Mercer/Allison alliance said its not just the traing ground

For the Coach, but the keen eye, and gut feeling, of trying out some players.

Old and young...This is exactly at the moment Why  I trust Shakey....

I believe he is instinctive, but not rash.

[Guest Col city fan]

16 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

But since time immemorial..All clubs/teams and even today will throw in a couple of youngsters. Top, middle, struggling teams...Some even who may not of lit up the training ground. Trying out your different wares makes you stronger, because it keeps competition,

Going. A manager doesnt need to explain to his single top players...I want to try something new.

You will be on the bench these next 2 games.... (but they do..!!)

They play both sides of the coin.Not running scared of football lost points.

Every single manager has been a Ranieri and tinkered during the season...

Even Cloughie and The Mercer/Allison alliance said its not just the traing ground

For the Coach, but the keen eye, and gut feeling, of trying out some players.

Old and young...This is exactly at the moment Why  I trust Shakey....

I believe he is instinctive, but not rash.

Brian Clough"s success (and pretty much Alex Ferguson's) was based upon only bringing through his youthful players at the right time. He would surround them with Golden Oldies (eg. Dave Mackay) to help them to come to terms with playing on the biggest stages. Of course, it worked fantastically and they were both expert at it. They would both actually drop their young starlets if they thought they were developing at too fast a pace and becoming Billy big bollox too early on.

This thing about instinctively knowing when to introduce the 'kids' is massively important.

Ranieri last season got this all wrong, although I think injury meant his hand was a little forced to be fair. In hindsight, Amartey for instance, was thrown in far too quickly especially away from home and to have a kid playing in a side having three and four thumped past them on more than one occassion, must have been traumatic. Even Ndidi...his first few games saw us conceding shed loads of goals...which must have been a real baptism of fire.

You don't just play young lads just because they are at the club. You play them at the right time. There were times last season when people on here were urging us to play Gray and Kaputska or to get Amartey in at CB. Fortunately, Shaky didn't do this, stuck with what he knew and it paid off.

My feeling is that next season will see Gray and especially Chilwell being used more and more. I think they are both on the cusp of making a breakthrough.

 

[gurru991]

45 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Brian Clough"s success (and pretty much Alex Ferguson's) was based upon only bringing through his youthful players at the right time. He would surround them with Golden Oldies (eg. Dave Mackay) to help them to come to terms with playing on the biggest stages. Of course, it worked fantastically and they were both expert at it. They would both actually drop their young starlets if they thought they were developing at too fast a pace and becoming Billy big bollox too early on.

This thing about instinctively knowing when to introduce the 'kids' is massively important.

Ranieri last season got this all wrong, although I think injury meant his hand was a little forced to be fair. In hindsight, Amartey for instance, was thrown in far too quickly especially away from home and to have a kid playing in a side having three and four thumped past them on more than one occassion, must have been traumatic. Even Ndidi...his first few games saw us conceding shed loads of goals...which must have been a real baptism of fire.

You don't just play young lads just because they are at the club. You play them at the right time. There were times last season when people on here were urging us to play Gray and Kaputska or to get Amartey in at CB. Fortunately, Shaky didn't do this, stuck with what he knew and it paid off.

My feeling is that next season will see Gray and especially Chilwell being used more and more. I think they are both on the cusp of making a breakthrough.

 

Shakey has a rock solid knowledge of the team and i feel he will know how to manage playing time. I agree that Clough & Ferguson did this better than most but they also had the Vets in place to keep the youngsters in line. Drives me crazy when I hear stories of young players demanding playing time. 

[fuchsntf]

55 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Brian Clough"s success (and pretty much Alex Ferguson's) was based upon only bringing through his youthful players at the right time. He would surround them with Golden Oldies (eg. Dave Mackay) to help them to come to terms with playing on the biggest stages. Of course, it worked fantastically and they were both expert at it. They would both actually drop their young starlets if they thought they were developing at too fast a pace and becoming Billy big bollox too early on.

This thing about instinctively knowing when to introduce the 'kids' is massively important.

Ranieri last season got this all wrong, although I think injury meant his hand was a little forced to be fair. In hindsight, Amartey for instance, was thrown in far too quickly especially away from home and to have a kid playing in a side having three and four thumped past them on more than one occassion, must have been traumatic. Even Ndidi...his first few games saw us conceding shed loads of goals...which must have been a real baptism of fire.

You don't just play young lads just because they are at the club. You play them at the right time. There were times last season when people on here were urging us to play Gray and Kaputska or to get Amartey in at CB. Fortunately, Shaky didn't do this, stuck with what he knew and it paid off.

My feeling is that next season will see Gray and especially Chilwell being used more and more. I think they are both on the cusp of making a breakthrough.

 

I'll go along with that...Especially with Amartey wrong time wrong game.

Sometimes that instinct, backfire sometimes  it produces a couple of gems,

Thats how they become their reputation, and can build on it

 

[waylander]

Loan him ?

[Ric Flair]

I thought he was decent vs Derby and Millwall. I'd like us to properly integrate him in preseason at number 10 and then maybe loan him out to the championship if he's not an upgrade on Okazaki. 

[Wolfox]

I only watched the second half, but,  was Kaputska not playing for the U21 last night?

[SouthStandUpperTier]

I only watched the second half, but,  was Kaputska not playing for the U21 last night?

Unused sub. That's how much we've messed up his career. From playing for the senior national team in the Euros to unused sub for the U21s in just one year.

[crisp packet]

Kid needs loaning out. 

 

[brucey]

42 minutes ago, Wolfox said:

I only watched the second half, but,  was Kaputska not playing for the U21 last night?

Injured. Also crap.

[Wolfox]

11 hours ago, brucey said:

Injured. Also crap.

Injured…. Not crap yet, but, we are working on it!!!

[Thracian]

On 2017-6-23 at 13:58, Col city fan said:

Brian Clough"s success (and pretty much Alex Ferguson's) was based upon only bringing through his youthful players at the right time. He would surround them with Golden Oldies (eg. Dave Mackay) to help them to come to terms with playing on the biggest stages. Of course, it worked fantastically and they were both expert at it. They would both actually drop their young starlets if they thought they were developing at too fast a pace and becoming Billy big bollox too early on.

This thing about instinctively knowing when to introduce the 'kids' is massively important.

Ranieri last season got this all wrong, although I think injury meant his hand was a little forced to be fair. In hindsight, Amartey for instance, was thrown in far too quickly especially away from home and to have a kid playing in a side having three and four thumped past them on more than one occassion, must have been traumatic. Even Ndidi...his first few games saw us conceding shed loads of goals...which must have been a real baptism of fire.

You don't just play young lads just because they are at the club. You play them at the right time. There were times last season when people on here were urging us to play Gray and Kaputska or to get Amartey in at CB. Fortunately, Shaky didn't do this, stuck with what he knew and it paid off.

My feeling is that next season will see Gray and especially Chilwell being used more and more. I think they are both on the cusp of making a breakthrough.

 

Ferguson was also shrewd in the way he introduced people for relatively short periods of time then left them out to develop the shortcomings he or his staff had noticed. Sometimes he brought them back cos they'd learned, sometimes I presume they didn't learn or couldn't squeeze out the competition.

 

I see something of this happening at Leicester. The problem, as you've touched on, is youngsters thinking because they've made the team, they've made it. Rather than appreciating they're still there to learn, keep learning and to accept they'll still likely be left out again if particular faults become apparent. As always it is how they react to the criticism and mistakes they make.

 

Even on here there are fans who make excuses and fail to understand that managers, coaches and players themselves have to be demanding their charges or the charges of themselves to keep making progress.

 

It never really stops. Even established players falter as opponents learn how best to deal with them and have to try to add more to their game and more to their physical and/or mental strength. 

 

Players will usually be made aware of shortcomings in all sorts of ways but won't be reminded forever. Either they improve or they'll be forgotten.

 

In a way ongoing success needs the mentality and self-criticism of a military leader. A tactic that works once won't work forever or in every circumstance. You have to keep evolving and developing new skills, ideas and tactics. Otherwise you'll lose and be superceded.  

 

  

 

      

 

     

             

 

[Sambiasso]

Being linked to SC Freiburg in the German press.

Edit: Original source came from poland  - https://m.sportowefakty.wp.pl/pilka-nozna/696257/bartosz-kapustka-odchodzi-z-leicester-city-chce-go-klub-z-bundesligi

Bartosz Kapustka leaves Leicester City. He wants his club to the Bundesliga

 

Maciej Kmita 29 June 2017 7:48

German SC Freiburg is interested in acquiring Bartosz Kapustki Leicester City. This is the seventh team of the Bundesliga last season, which occurs in the Europa League 2017/2018. Player of this club is Rafał Gikiewicz.

 

Bartosz Kapustka  has had a failed season, but clubs from Europe's leading leagues have not forgotten about him. 21-year-old has suggestions from the Netherlands, Germany or Italy, but interest from Freiburg is very specific and it is possible that the representative of the Polish King Power Stadium turn precisely on Schwarzwald-Stadion.

 

 

 

• Bartosz Kapustka return to Cracovia? "It could be very interesting"

- I'm not in the habit to comment on media reports and this time I will not make an exception - says HR SportoweFakty representing cabbageBartłomiej Bolek . The agent, however, confirmed that his client is looking for a new club - working on the definitive transfer or renting Bartek Leicester City. Everything should be clear in the coming weeks.

 

 

 

This new information, because so far he Kapustka claimed that his departure from Leicester City is not yet a foregone conclusion. When the grouping in Arłamów asked him about it, or go away z King Power Stadium, at any cost, he replied : - First of all I will do everything to play more. Together with the club, because it does not depend only on me, we will take a decision on my future. I am ambitious and certainly not allow it to look like next season as the previous one.

 

 

Kapustka Leicester City player is from August last year. Foxes were manager,  Claudio Ranieri  picked up the young Pole after his successful performance at Euro 2016. It was spectacular transfer, because the first time in history happened to the newly minted champion England reached Lotto rider Ekstraklasa. Kapustka not broke, however, the composition of the Fox. He did not live to debut in the Premier League, and the only appearances in the first team Leicester City scored in the FA Cup - played in three matches of the tournament, spending 151 minutes on the pitch.

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

It's going to be a busy summer. Ruskin may have a coronary at this rate. He struggles with one deal at a time.

[lgfualol]

A loan move to the Bundesliga would be good. That league knows how to get the best out of young players.

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

On 6/22/2017 at 16:14, Col city fan said:

Spot on. Kaputska must 'earn' a position in the side. You don't or can't do as fuchs said earlier...play him to develop him. It's a points business and you play your BEST team in the league, week-in, week-out. If Kaputska is not that player, he won't play.

 

Don't disagree.

 

Barnes earned a spot in the CL and earned a decent loan last year. If loaned again it will be to a championship club.He did this by no doubt getting noticed in training but more importantly in U23 games.

 

After a U23s hammering Kaputska waved his arms like a child and refused to ever play for them again

 

 

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, lgfualol said:

A loan move to the Bundesliga would be good. That league knows how to get the best out of young players.

It also allows average players to look good

[foxinsocks]

if he can't make it here then they should let him go... we have enough gambles in play.  Frankly I have o idea if he can be a prem player... I hope shakes has some insight

[lgfualol]

5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

It also allows average players to look good

if that's the case - it is good as we can sell him for a decent amount if we don't want to keep.