Fox92 Posted 15 June 2017 Posted 15 June 2017 Just now, desertfox2 said: Chelsea last season, us the season before, the closest Liverpool got to winning the league was the Gerrard slip season when they had no European football and should have won it. It definitely helps not being in Europe points wise. So that's four times out of 25 Premier League years? Also nearly winning the league isn't winning it. Manchester City won it when Liverpool finished second, having also played in Europe. All this "they haven't got European football" is a load of rubbish. Top managers can guide their teams through all competitions. Fergie managed several European Cup finals, including winning it twice, as well as winning the league.
desertfox2 Posted 15 June 2017 Posted 15 June 2017 Just now, Fox92 said: So that's four times out of 25 Premier League years? Also nearly winning the league isn't winning it. Manchester City won it when Liverpool finished second, having also played in Europe. All this "they haven't got European football" is a load of rubbish. Top managers can guide their teams through all competitions. Fergie managed several European Cup finals, including winning it twice, as well as winning the league. To be fair I think you can write off 15-20 years of that in terms of comparisons. The money has gone through the roof and Fergie leaving mixed everything up a bit. Fergie was a phenomenon. Have to agree to disagree but I do think that for a side like us with a good first team but not a squad like the big 6 then not being in Europe will mean we get a lot more points in the league than we would if we also had European football. Top managers need big squads still to guide through all competitions and how many Top managers are there?
cropstonfox Posted 15 June 2017 Posted 15 June 2017 Yes! Paddy power running scared.worth a tenner .Ew won't be cashing out! Continuity the key along with vards Huthe and kasper.realistically expect top 8 minimum.this same group won it by 10 points so will be back at it now dilly dongs gone!
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 15 June 2017 Posted 15 June 2017 I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed.
justfoxes Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 11 hours ago, Thracian said: Wasn't it The Monkees said: "I'm a Believer"? I've never seen City as a makeweight club. I was there in the glory days of the 60s when we challenged for a League and FA Cup double but we're way beyond that now and know we can compete with anyone with the right attitude and ambition. Damn you,you Bugger I've been humming that all morning now since I read your post ! funny how songs get stuck in your head for a while !! ?? im hoping for a top 6 finish if we buy well keep what we have together And can't see why we can't challange for a top 6 place !
Ted Maul Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 There's a more positive feel to next season now things are starting to develop- I get the impression that Shakey is doing things in a similar way to uncle Nige, and progressing the club from top to bottom in terms of coaching, academy, recruitment, etc. A few good signings to add to what we already have, and who knows? 6-7th certainly isn't beyond our capabilities.
sylofox Posted 16 June 2017 Author Posted 16 June 2017 10 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed. I agree. Spuds fans Chelsea fans and one of the two mancs for starters oh and Liverpool. The European games are going to have a huge bearing on this very condensed season. The more of our sides getting to the knockouts the better. And as I've said some teams could face ten games from December 2nd to January 1st. Imagine spuds losing Kane and Alli for December Chelsea with no Kante and Hazard . December is going to make or break clubs season especially clubs playing in Europe. 8 league games 1/4 of the season played in 30 days plus a European game and a possible 5th round league cup. All that to punish teams that have already played five more games. Yes we may have played league cup games but can and will rest first team players.
sk3since03 Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 I think top 8 is definitely achievable, top 6 who knows! I'll never write off this club! An Fa cup would be absolutely fantastic
Benguin Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 we need to unban that Sunderland troll who created the "Can we win the league this season" after we beat them 4-2
SheppyFox Posted 16 June 2017 Posted 16 June 2017 Top 8 should be our aim coupled with a cup win, we need the summer transfers to make that possible though, both quality of first team and depth of bench. No more pointless andy king substitutions because we have no alternative will be nice.
KingsX Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 On 6/15/2017 at 18:06, Sol thewall Bamba said: I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed. In Huddersfield, for damn sure.
Hack Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 On 6/16/2017 at 03:13, Webbo said: I rate him, if there's room in the squad and he's happy to stay I'd keep him. I am an optimist. I don't see any reason that we can't compete for a top 6 place. Yes the natural top teams look stronger and are going to spend to improve. But so will we. We now have stability with Shaky and with smart additions and a style of play the team are familiar with and a league that is getting more even, top 6 is a real possibility.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 10 hours ago, KingsX said: In Huddersfield, for damn sure. They have zero expectations so anything is a bonus. Our expectations as a fan base seem quite high currently.
Stadt Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 Once again people are saying " a good cup run" or "get to the final" what's the ****ing point in that? Win it or nothing. Nobody will be telling their grandads about the time we made it to the quarters because it was "a good cup run." I'd rather go out early on than lose in the later stages. We should aim for winning the FA cup not just to go on our jollies for a "good cup run" it's a stupid phrase.
Redouane Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 No way for winning the title, but a top 7 finish would be surreal I don't think Shakespeare is the man to do it though. But who knows he might prove me wrong
KingsX Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 12 hours ago, KingsX said: In Huddersfield, for damn sure. 2 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: They have zero expectations so anything is a bonus. Our expectations as a fan base seem quite high currently. I was referring to the fact that the Paddy Power betting favorites had them eighth -- above us. Some folks out there are mighty spun up.
Max Wall Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 On 6/15/2017 at 21:09, Thracian said: Wasn't it The Monkees said: "I'm a Believer"? I've never seen City as a makeweight club. I was there in the glory days of the 60s when we challenged for a League and FA Cup double but we're way beyond that now and know we can compete with anyone with the right attitude and ambition. Neil Diamond. Though the Monkees did cover it.
Thracian Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 1 minute ago, Max Wall said: Neil Diamond. Though the Monkees did cover it.
fuchsntf Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 22:43, desertfox2 said: Chelsea last season, us the season before, the closest Liverpool got to winning the league was the Gerrard slip season when they had no European football and should have won it. It definitely helps not being in Europe points wise. Now spread that idea over the the PL years, then stats tell you something different. But, it will be interesting to see how the top 4 fair, including Manutd. Will Spurs and Man.city struggle again in Europe. Can Manutd improve their squad so they can at least be competitive, on the CL stage. Are Liverpool 2-3 quality players short, of being competitive in any competition..?? Can Everton keep on developing.. Can Brighton get into top 4..??
Sionnach gorm Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 I also think mid table this year, if I'm being optimistic. We were woeful at defense. If we can get good defenders, then I think a run at top six might even be possible.
murphy Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 On 15/06/2017 at 23:12, Worthington said: One point/1 goal off 9th last season which, considering how things were in January, was better than most of us feared. Cut out the inconsistency and 7th-8th isn't beyond achievable. Anything above that might have to wait a year or two ! Get a grafter in to replace riyad and we'll be back to fielding 11 men every week ! ? We were 2 points and 3 goals short of ninth last year. Equally, we were only 4 points better off than 17th. Everyone from Watford to Southampton will be thinking they can get there too.
desertfox2 Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 1 hour ago, fuchsntf said: Now spread that idea over the the PL years, then stats tell you something different. But, it will be interesting to see how the top 4 fair, including Manutd. Will Spurs and Man.city struggle again in Europe. Can Manutd improve their squad so they can at least be competitive, on the CL stage. Are Liverpool 2-3 quality players short, of being competitive in any competition..?? Can Everton keep on developing.. Can Brighton get into top 4..?? But that's where I don't think you can compare the prem years as a whole to now. Fergie was a phenomenon, Abramovich and Man City takeovers and the amount of money for any team in the prem now. It doesn't give an accurate reflection. You could probably argue that comparing longer than say 5 years ago would give a distorted picture. And we have some of the best owners in the game. Who happen to be minted and care about the club not just milking it which has made us a very good prem side.
Clever Fox Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 29 minutes ago, murphy said: ? We were 2 points and 3 goals short of ninth last year. Equally, we were only 4 points better off than 17th. Everyone from Watford to Southampton will be thinking they can get there too. Agreed, But then we didn't start playing until February. I think a better measure of our standing is how we fared against the big Clubs which wasn't great from memory. For next season it really depends on who comes in and who of our better players that stay.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 2 hours ago, KingsX said: I was referring to the fact that the Paddy Power betting favorites had them eighth -- above us. Some folks out there are mighty spun up. Ah right well I don't bet - mug's game
desertfox2 Posted 17 June 2017 Posted 17 June 2017 2 minutes ago, Clever Fox said: Agreed, But then we didn't start playing until February. I think a better measure of our standing is how we fared against the big Clubs which wasn't great from memory. For next season it really depends on who comes in and who of our better players that stay. And our expectations. Even with us playing crap for most of the season we were a dodgy decision away from a top half finish and quarter finals in the champions league. I'd say about 8th in the table is about par with current squad. We will need 2-3 good signings to have a very good chance of getting back in Europe. And keep hold of what we have / only losing Mahrez. We should be having a really good go at winning the FA Cup too.
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