Vicente Iborra

[Babylon]

17 minutes ago, Melbourne Fuchs said:

I'd love for him to come in and prove everyone wrong. Everyone who isn't a Leicester fan seems impressed with the signing so why aren't we?

There is nothing to prove wrong, few people have stated it's a bad signing, just raising potential concerns. Frankly that's understandable after our recent transfer dealings.

[Gerard]

1 minute ago, brucey said:

I felt like that at first, then I realised the signings Everton have been making are fairly similar to what we did last season (but with a bit more spending). A couple of expensive players who 'on paper' should do really well (Slimani, Musa), and a couple of cheaper relative unknowns who are potential gems (Hernandez, Kapustka). I'll judge Everton's transfer window once we actually find out if the players are any good. They probably will be, because it's Walsh, but they also might not be. If our signings (whether that turns out to be 2 or 5 players) turn out to be better, we could have had a better summer window than Everton.

 

Time will tell but last season before I seen any of our new signings I had trepidation about them.

 

A lot of CSKA fans were happy to see Musa go.

I looked at Mendy's stats for Nice and thought he was an awful signing for us as he didn't win the ball back or create much. He did have a high passing success rate but that's a meaningless stat if you don't do anything worthwhile with the ball.

Slimani always looked like a panic buy and it was hard to see him and Vardy in the same side as they're both out and out No9's and I think that my original feeling that they wouldn't be a fit together has been proved right.

 

Looking at Everton's business they've signed Keane because they had first pick of the young English centre haves available and I've no doubt we would have chosen Keane ahead of Maguire if we had that option.

Pickford is obviously a huge talent in a position Everton were weak.

Klassen is one of the best players in Holland.

Sandro is a bargain whatever way you look at it. Even if he flops they'll make more than their money back.

They can have Sigurdsson if they want to pay the money.

 

I'll be absolutely astounded if we have a better window than them.

 

[norwichfox]

Looks like he's ours, pending agreeing personal terms...happy with that if it goes through.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40491372

[turtmcfly]

18 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

Because he's probably an average PL player at best that doesn't improve our first XI and at 29 and £25m invested in him in the next four years will prove to be a bad deal for us financially.

The implication of this is that most of our first XI would get regular game time if they played for Sevilla.

 

Hmmm...

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, turtmcfly said:

The implication of this is that most of our first XI would get regular game time if they played for Sevilla.

 

Hmmm...

 

It isn't at all.

[Melbourne Fuchs]

9 minutes ago, Babylon said:

There is nothing to prove wrong, few people have stated it's a bad signing, just raising potential concerns. Frankly that's understandable after our recent transfer dealings.

 

Myself included in that, perhaps I didn't word it properly but I just mean that I'd love for him to come in and be nearly as good a signing for us as Ndidi and 2015/16's "big three". 

 

Then we can all laugh about our concerns! 

[Fox 4 Life]

22 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

People keep saying he could be another Inler, but what they fail to consider is Inler was partly a failure here because Kante and Drinkwater and the team as a whole were so relentless and we won the league. Had we finished 12th in 15-16 then Inler may well have been called upon more and he may have settled in and done ok. It's all conjecture but Iborra comes with the sorts of attributes that could fit in.

 

We need to strip down our central midfield though. King/Mendy/James/Amartey 2 of those need moving on. We also need a creative player in either the number 10 role or out wide. If we lose Mahrez and don't get in someone to unlock teams then we'll be on a level with West Brom for turgid football. At least they have players who can deliver set pieces for their brutes, we're a disgrace. 

 

I dont see us playing Drinkwater, Ndidi and Iborra as a 3 either and if we did, we'd badly need our full backs to push on and be able to attack. Simpson is muck at this. 

 

We we might be in the stages of transition, we need new options but I worry we'll fail to do it properly. 

 

 

Exactly and we were screaming out for something different in midfield last season pre ndidi when drinky and amartey/king were awful. Inler would have probably played and done well.

[turtmcfly]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

It isn't at all.

'At all'? It may not be the only interpretation, but the original statement is clear about him 'probably being an average PL player'. Gerard doesn't make it absolutely clear where our players sit on this scale but he does say he wouldn't improve our first XI. I'm guessing it puts him at best on a par with the rest of our first XI. 

 

Personally find it hard to imagine an average Premiership player getting near the bench in a top La Liga team. 

[Webbo]

25 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

 

 

I dont see us playing Drinkwater, Ndidi and Iborra as a 3 either and if we did, we'd badly need our full backs to push on and be able to attack. Simpson is muck at this. 

 

We we might be in the stages of transition, we need new options but I worry we'll fail to do it properly. 

 

 

We'd use Albrighton as a wingback as we've done before, surely?

[Long Eaton Fox]

Could he play Okazaki's role after all he can play up front and scores a few goals?

[Finnegan]

Just now, turtmcfly said:

'At all'? It may not be the only interpretation, but the original statement is clear about him 'probably being an average PL player'. Gerard doesn't make it absolutely clear where our players sit on this scale but he does say he wouldn't improve our first XI. I'm guessing it puts him at best on a par with the rest of our first XI. 

 

Personally find it hard to imagine an average Premiership player getting near the bench in a top La Liga team. 

 

He isn't a starter for Sevilla. Sevilla aren't a top La Liga team.

 

We don't have the best squad but our starting centre mids are pretty good.

 

Sevilla have plenty of players, even ones that tend to be subs, that would likely start for us but Iborra isn't necessarily one of them.

 

Average doesn't mean poor, it means average.

 

In short, nothing Gerard said implied directly that all of our players would get in their team regularly.

[Finnegan]

Just now, Long Eaton Fox said:

Could he play Okazaki's role after all he can play up front and scores a few goals?

 

No.

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Shame we could just get him on loan for a while to see how good he is?

 

seville apparently didn't want us to Iborra him. 

[Gerard]

7 minutes ago, turtmcfly said:

The implication of this is that most of our first XI would get regular game time if they played for Sevilla.

 

Hmmm...

 

That's not my point at all.

 

He doesn't look athletic enough to play in a two man midfield and if Drinkwater comes back fully fit this season he won't be ousting Danny and Ndidi from our central midfield.

 

It appears to me we've fallen into the trap of spending good money on a player who is 29 and won't be a first choice when everyone is fit. We've squandered a fortune last year on Slimani, Mendy and Musa and none of them improve the first XI and this guy will probably be the same.

 

Hernandez was useless but I don't mind us bringing in squad players for little to no fee but when you pay big money then that should be on a young player with lots of potential that will eventually force his way into the team or on a player who is better than what we have. Spending eight figure sums on players in their mid to late 20's who aren't automatic first team players is a recipe for disaster as last summer proved.

[Dan]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Can't find a single video of him passing... just a few goals, misses and clattering people.

Passing a weakness but through balls a strength  surely through balls come under passing?

[Long Eaton Fox]

Just now, Finnegan said:

 

No.

Can you make yourself clear

[Webbo]

So we were first linked to him less than 24 hours ago and he's already on his way for a medical? How does this fit with the usual whining we get on here about how bad the club is at getting deals done?

[Arriba Los Zorros]

2 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Passing a weakness but through balls a strength  surely through balls come under passing?

I suppose it may mean he's not good at maintaining possession generally but can pick a pass? Hope not though to be honest, we need some players comfortable on the ball especially in midfield

[wasthedestroyer]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

Can't find a single video of him passing... just a few goals, misses and clattering people.

Baffles me how blocking the ball can be someones "very strong" point. what is he 25 stone and throws himself at the ball everytime it is passed?

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

Passing a weakness but through balls a strength  surely through balls come under passing?

I'd imagine it's gleaned from his stats. When I looked he played a heck of a lot of forward balls, but his passing percentages weren't amazing considering he plays for a team so big on passing.

[chicagofox]

Some of the absolute tripe posted in here is laughable.  Suddenly people are experts on the strengths, weaknesses, personality, and character of a guy who until yesterday they'd never paid any attention to.   "He's not athletic enough", "He's probably an average player".  Get a fcuking grip.  We could sign Christiao Ronaldo on a free and some miserable tossers on here would find reason to moan about it.  

 

And why does everyone have a hardon for Everton?  Let's let them do their business and we'll do ours.  

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

Can you make yourself clear

 

He lacks the dynamism to play the Okazaki role. He covers ground to close down about as quickly as Leo, probably less so.

 

He isn't a number ten in any sense, when people describe him as an emergency target man they mean like us putting Elliot or Walsh up front to lump the ball at.

 

He's fairly good in the air and he makes a reasonably good late run in to the box but that's where his attacking qualities generally end.

 

He's mostly a big unit with okay touch who is pretty solid at physically dominating a midfield.

 

Think Steven Nzozi only remember that Nzonzi is first choice at Sevilla and is the reason Iborra is on the bench.

[dedlock]

This looks like an alternative for Silva.

We need extra quality in midfield, as we saw last season. DD was below par, apparently playing with an injury. Football is now a 14 man game, last season exposed weaknesses in our squad,particularly at CB and in MF, with a lack of experienced or quality alternatives. This signing will partly strengthen the squad in MF just as Maguire will add to the options in defence.

 

[AjcW]

3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

So we were first linked to him less than 24 hours ago and he's already on his way for a medical? How does this fit with the usual whining we get on here about how bad the club is at getting deals done?

I'm pretty sure Maguire was speedy too.... the whining is to do with people taking speculative links seriously. When it comes to the two deals we look to have completed, they've been reported then finalised quickly.

[Livid]

It's a good solid signing and I'm happy he's coming, it's just lacking a little of the WOW factor.

 

I just hope we're going to get a couple more in who show the club has a little more ambition than safe in mid table.