Vicente Iborra

[Nick]

20 minutes ago, Moksky said:

 

I give up with you, I havent got time to keep going back on posts. They have made a hash of the last 3 windows excluding Ndidi, (this one included so far) even the dragged on appointment of Shakey, therefore they are proving imcompetent. I also refer to who they have signed, who they have missed out on, and what they sold Kante for, and what they are missing out on currently. £12m on our 7th CM on a squad player , because Swansea went in at £10.5m, is hardly justifying the decision to bring him here. Wake up and look at the bigger picture.

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incredible! You are having an argument with someone but it's not me. 

[Bert]

Once confirmed the agreement of the fee for his signing for Leicester City, Vicente Iborra talked in Sólo Fútbol Club SFC Radio to explain his feelings. The until now captain of the first team didn't hide how difficult it is for him to leave his home, but he will always remember the great moments and significant achievements he has experienced while wearing the Sevilla FC shirt, including his three Europa League trophies: "It's a difficult moment, even though I know it will be good for me, for my family and to experience a competition like the Premier League. Sevilla FC is special to me because I've lived many beautiful things in this city. Leaving will be hard, but I do so with happiness due to what I have experienced here. My biggest prize is to have seen people celebrate on the streets and also the affection I have received in the past few hours.  

Even though it hasn't been an easy decision, he recognises he couldn't turn the offer down: "I'm starting to hit a certain age, trains pass and it was the moment to take it. I'm thinking about the future of my family and that's what makes me change team, but if it were for another reason I wouldn't have done it. I've always said that I have everything here in Seville and I've been very happy here. I have experienced everything I ever wanted and more, giving back all the confidence that the club had invested in me."

Curiously he'll return to the King Power Stadium, where Sevilla's European dream ended last season: "Destiny is fickle, but it's a project that I find very attractive. Leicester are a club that want to grow, like Sevilla, and who have shown a lot of interest in me. I'm very grateful to them too." 

To finish up, he wanted to make clear that his priority, in the case of departure, was to do so while reaching a satisfactory agreement for all parties: "The club understood that it was a great opportunity and we've reached an agreement. We never wanted to end up in bad terms and if I left I hoped to do it in the best way possible. Now I'll be a bit further away, but my support from afar will always be present." 

[matty98]

3 minutes ago, Moksky said:

The players age warranted it. Stones was £50m. Anyway sadly the club went with your opinion, and valuation he wasnt worth it,  hes now at Everton with Walsh

 

Agree to disagree then, I didn't think he was worth £20 million you did. Either way I don't think it's fair to call the club small minded for not being willing to pay it.

[sk3since03]

Club doesn't sign any players. Foxestalk= Moan

 

Club looks to sign a player/players. Foxestalk= Moan 

 

 

[urban.spaceman]

3 minutes ago, Bert said:

Curiously he'll return to the King Power Stadium, where Sevilla's European dream ended last season: "Destiny is fickle, but it's a project that I find very attractive. Leicester are a club that want to grow, like Sevilla, and who have shown a lot of interest in me. I'm very grateful to them too." 

Welcome Vicente. Can Iborra a tenner?

[Beechey]

Schlupp paid for this

[dedlock]

3 minutes ago, sk3since03 said:

Club doesn't sign any players. Foxestalk= Moan

 

Club looks to sign a player/players. Foxestalk= Moan 

 

 

You couldn't make it up!

Only on FT.

[Viva]

13 minutes ago, Moksky said:

Most people I know think were mad for not signing him last season for at £20m. In fact at one stage £17m would have got his signature

 

Including Walsh...............

Did they think we were mad last summer? It's all fair and well looking back on it after his good season in the Premier League. I can't imagine loads thought we wre mad for not paying £20m for a player that had a good season in the Championship. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

13 minutes ago, Webbo said:

That's good to know. We definitely need more cupboards in the team. 

 

[UPinCarolina]

I see this as a replacement for Schlupp

 

[Scotch]

Really can't see why folk have an issue with this. Better passer of the ball than our current CM's and No.10, scores more, assists more, has pretty much the same with regards to interceptions and blocks.... Fair play, he doesn't seem great in the tackle but we've been screaming out for someone more comfortable on the ball in the middle of the park yet, when he is presented to us, people here still bitch and moan.

[Nick]

22 minutes ago, matty98 said:

At the time Keane was worth no where near £20 million so of course it would've been paying over the odds.

Where does it end though? You can't just pay double what you think a player is worth. There has to be a cut off point. 

There's no arguing Matt. All he speaks is fact.

 

Oh and if we do pay a tad more for somebody like err say the Captain of Sevilla - the club are idiots.

 

Then he'll ask you where he said people were idiots - but don't show him the post or he'll say nobody's interested in what he wrote 3 hours ago and you should stop banging on about it.

 

ITK? He doesn't know what he's written earlier this afternoon...

 

 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

12 minutes ago, Moksky said:

Most people I know think were mad for not signing him last season for at £20m. In fact at one stage £17m would have got his signature

 

Including Walsh...............

 

Doesn't that say more about the overall situation at the club at that time... minds were so focused on the task at hand in the months before it, thrust into a position we couldn't have reasonably planned for unlike previous years where scouting was done over months and years to produce what we ended up with that season. 

 

Then there was concerns about keeping players as much as signing ones, quick considerations had to be made in terms of what outlay we could make that was sustainable. When you consider these factors, it's perhaps no wonder we acted like chickens in the headlights then. 

 

This year however, feels a little different - the noises coming out sound different, more positive. The signings we are being linked to seem to make sense, we've signed a couple of players (true some for the under 23 squad, but that's a good side in itself) and appear in an advanced position for another first team addition. 

 

It should be noted, appart from some obvious want-a-ways, there hasn't been that many done deals across the Premier League at the moment.

 

If I were a player, unless the deal was an obvious yes, I'd want to bide my time a little to see what options I had, but equally I wouldn't necessarily want to leave it too long into pre-season to get starred with a new club - so I expect we'll be seeing an increase in confirmed deals over the next 2 weeks for all clubs, as pre-season training begins and the whole behind the scenes structure of clubs goes back to normality. 

 

 

 

 

 

[DannyN83]

Solid player, not a guaranteed starter, at worst it will give put pressure on drinky to perform which we didn't have last season.

[Finnegan]

3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

There's no arguing Matt. All he speaks is fact.

 

Oh and if we do pay a tad more for somebody like err say the Captain of Sevilla - the club are idiots.

 

Then he'll ask you where he said people were idiots - but don't show him the post or he'll say nobody's interested in what he wrote 3 hours ago and you should stop banging on about it.

 

ITK? He doesn't know what he's written earlier this afternoon...

 

 

 

Got to be honest here, Nick, I agree with the bulk of what Moks has written in this thread.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

24 minutes ago, Moksky said:

The players age warranted it. Stones was £50m. Anyway sadly the club went with your opinion, and valuation he wasnt worth it,  hes now at Everton with Walsh

 

 

Stones was £50m... and the feeling among many both at the time and looking back is that Man City massively overpaid. It's also a lot easier for a club like Man City to overpay when they're reasonably confident of their revenue year on year. We had an outlier position last year, one that was unlikely to be repeated in the following year.

[Nick]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

Got to be honest here, Nick, I agree with the bulk of what Moks has written in this thread.

 

I don't disagree with him thats the whole point.

 

My only point has been that he said the club historically has not been willing to pay enough fees to secure players. I agree with him. I suggested they may have learnt their lesson and paid the extra bit more of 12 million euro to Sevilla and possibly the 20 million for Maguire - hence lesson learnt.

 

Instead he replied saying the club were idiots and have paid too much and then went on a rant at me about stuff i didn't even raise!

[Babylon]

18 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

Really can't see why folk have an issue with this. Better passer of the ball than our current CM's and No.10, scores more, assists more, has pretty much the same with regards to interceptions and blocks.... Fair play, he doesn't seem great in the tackle but we've been screaming out for someone more comfortable on the ball in the middle of the park yet, when he is presented to us, people here still bitch and moan.

I'm just watching the home game against them and it's not hard to see why his passing stats are ok, I've not seen him pass the ball forwards more than once. He seems fairly calm, but every ball is collect it and pass it back to the centre backs almost without fail. He's pretty lumbering and on what I've seen so far there is no way I'd want this fella playing in a 4-4-2. Granted, it's 45 minutes in a game where they didn't play particularly well as a team.  If his other performances reflect this, then we certainly need to change formation and we need two CB's comfortable on the ball, because they will see the ball a lot.

[Fox 4 Life]

Sevilla fans and pretty much everyone on social media (non lcfc) saying what a great signing this is at a great price. FT = kicking off people here would be saying "should gave got Ronaldo" if we signed Messi 

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said:

 

I don't disagree with him thats the whole point.

 

My only point has been that he said the club historically has not been willing to pay enough fees to secure players. I agree with him. I suggested they may have learnt their lesson and paid the extra bit more of 12 million euro to Sevilla and possibly the 20 million for Maguire - hence lesson learnt.

 

Instead he replied saying the club were idiots and have paid too much and then went on a rant at me about stuff i didn't even raise!

 

It's about being willing to put your hand in your pocket for the right targets though.

 

With Keane and Sigurdsson last year, what he's saying is that both were willing to come, both would have walked in to our starting eleven yet we weren't willing to make sensible offers to clubs who were in a strong financial position and didn't want to sell. We bottled it, essentially, and refused to pay despite the fact we were in the strongest buying position we've ever been in.

 

In contrast, we've just agreed to pay over the market value for a player who is likely to only be a squad player here and whose selling club was very willing to release him as they see him as non essential.

 

The indication is that we lack ambition and commitment in the transfer market and I agree, frankly.

 

I'd go as far as to say the current ownership have been diabolical in the transfer market without the combination of Walsh and Pearson making decisions (if we consider that Pearson had Walsh eyeing up Kante long before he left and Claudio came.)

 

I don't think it's because they lack business sense, as such, I just think they've hugely under estimated the value of having a top class DOF. If this is the model they want, you could argue the DoF is almost more important to us than the head coach. Yet we've got a shit former academy director as our main man for... whatever reason.

 

 

[Nick]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

It's about being willing to put your hand in your pocket for the right targets though.

 

With Keane and Sigurdsson last year, what he's saying is that both were willing to come, both would have walked in to our starting eleven yet we weren't willing to make sensible offers to clubs who were in a strong financial position and didn't want to sell. We bottled it, essentially, and refused to pay despite the fact we were in the strongest buying position we've ever been in.

 

In contrast, we've just agreed to pay over the market value for a player who is likely to only be a squad player here and whose selling club was very willing to release him as they see him as non essential.

 

The indication is that we lack ambition and commitment in the transfer market and I agree, frankly.

 

I'd go as far as to say the current ownership have been diabolical in the transfer market without the combination of Walsh and Pearson making decisions (if we consider that Pearson had Walsh eyeing up Kante long before he left and Claudio came.)

 

I don't think it's because they lack business sense, as such, I just think they've hugely under estimated the value of having a top class DOF. If this is the model they want, you could argue the DoF is almost more important to us than the head coach. Yet we've got a shit former academy director as our main man for... whatever reason.

 

 

And (because I can read) understand this and am not arguing against it.

 

The club think the Sevilla Captain is a good target and have paid a tad more than perhaps the market value last year and maybe have learnt a lesson - the same with Maguire....

 

Maybe they've realised they are gonna have to dig deeper into their pockets after their failures last window... is my point..... (it's not changed)

 

And maybe they'll dig deep for Siggy or another identified target - my other point is that they may have to because the likes of Everton seem to have a stronger pull to them to players than little ol Leicester.

 

There is no argument here just bizarre responses and accusations from @Moksky.

[Lovejoy]

Am I right in think no one spoke about this until 2 days ago?

 

If so, excellent work by the club. Nice to do a transfer (assuming it goes through) without 6 weeks speculation beforehand.

[Melbourne Fuchs]

Just finished rewatching the win against Sevilla focusing on Iborra. I'll get the negatives out of the way first. Obviously this is all based on one game and he had the unfortunate task of playing against the mighty Leicester City.

 

Negatives:

- He really didn't touch the ball much, in comparison to the rest of the Sevilla players. I can already see someone calling him Andros King after his first or second game for us as he did seem invisible at times (and you'd think with his height he'd stand out)

- He's not much of a ball-winner, I only saw him gain possession once however it was a fairly crucial tackle against Albrighton. 

- He conceded the free-kick that resulted in Morgan's goal. 

 

Positives: 

- As far as I could see, he only misplaced one pass that wasn't a header or volley and that was because he slipped. He's unbelievably composed on the ball, in stark contrast to Morgan, Huth, Drinky and Simmo's approach (just to name a few) of if in doubt hoof it out. 

- Won lots of headers. 

- I've never seen a player direct his teammates as much as Iborra did, however I don't often just focus on one player. 

- Very versatile, he started as a defensive mid. At half time he was an attacking mid. By 70 mins he was a striker. 

- Him and Ndidi could compliment each other very well. Ndidi's (only) weakness seems to be his passing and this guy is clearly proficient at that. Ndidi would do most of the tackling.

- He wasn't as immobile as some are making out. 

- He put in a dangerous (deflected?) cross that Simpson did very well to deal with.

-He drew a yellow card from Ndidi, although even I know how to get elbowed in the face . 

 

That's about all I could get from one game, obviously take this with a bucket full of salt. All in all, I feel a lot happier about this signing having watched the game.

 

 

 

 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

 

@Finnegan

 

But there are lots of reasons why at that point we may not have been willing to break the bank - and one of the biggest could be to with the manager.

 

Claudio would have had a massive say on where our priorities in the transfer market lay that summer and he may have been mindful that higher transfer fees bring with it heightened expectations. He was very quick to suggest priority 1 was to avoid relegation again - a massive mistake in hindsight, but if that was his true mindset at the time and was respected by the club, it makes it very uncomfortable to then go and pay over the odds transfer fees - especially if the manager had faith in his defence at that time and didn't feel spending the budget there was best placed. 

[dannythefox]

He's a quality player I just hope he comes and settles straight away. We don't want another lner.