chicagofox Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 6 minutes ago, Gerard said: That's not my point at all. He doesn't look athletic enough to play in a two man midfield and if Drinkwater comes back fully fit this season he won't be ousting Danny and Ndidi from our central midfield. It appears to me we've fallen into the trap of spending good money on a player who is 29 and won't be a first choice when everyone is fit. We've squandered a fortune last year on Slimani, Mendy and Musa and none of them improve the first XI and this guy will probably be the same. Hernandez was useless but I don't mind us bringing in squad players for little to no fee but when you pay big money then that should be on a young player with lots of potential that will eventually force his way into the team or on a player who is better than what we have. Spending eight figure sums on players in their mid to late 20's who aren't automatic first team players is a recipe for disaster as last summer proved. There are so many assumptions here I don't know where to begin.
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 I'm convinced we're going 3 in the middle now. Either 4-3-3 or 3-5-2
HighPeakFox Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 I urge you all to read this entire thread back and notice the absurd reactionary nature of it, based on virtually nothing.
Finnegan Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 Just now, chicagofox said: Some of the absolute tripe posted in here is laughable. Suddenly people are experts on the strengths, weaknesses, personality, and character of a guy who until yesterday they'd never paid any attention to. "He's not athletic enough", "He's probably an average player". Get a fcuking grip. We could sign Christiao Ronaldo on a free and some miserable tossers on here would find reason to moan about it. And why does everyone have a hardon for Everton? Let's let them do their business and we'll do ours. Why is it, every transfer window, just because idiots like this don't actually watch any football other than the premier league, it becomes completely inconceivable that someone might know more than they do? Pretty much half of Sevilla's games were on sky sports last year, plenty of us watched absolutely shed loads of La Liga, Serie A, Eredevise and Bundesliga last year. Not because we're world class football scouts in some kind of elite but just because it's ridiculously easily accessible and it's how we enjoy spending a Sunday afternoon. Iborra's not some unknown from the Colombian fifth tier, he plays for one of Europe's most televised teams.
notnow john Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 9 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said: Could he play Okazaki's role after all he can play up front and scores a few goals? Only if he's suffering from labyrinthitis.
Babylon Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 17 minutes ago, Melbourne Fuchs said: Myself included in that, perhaps I didn't word it properly but I just mean that I'd love for him to come in and be nearly as good a signing for us as Ndidi and 2015/16's "big three". Then we can all laugh about our concerns! Come the end of the window we might have a completely different view on the deal anyway. We wrap up Iheanacho and Gibson and you've suddenly had what looks like quite a strong window (with a winger to replace Mahrez when he goes). Swapping Mendy out for this fella and we've looking good to press on again long term.
Adster Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 People would moan if Everton pipped us to this signing, yet people still moan when he is signing this Forum is incredible sometimes.
chicagofox Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 2 minutes ago, Finnegan said: Why is it, every transfer window, just because idiots like this don't actually watch any football other than the premier league, it becomes completely inconceivable that someone might know more than they do? Pretty much half of Sevilla's games were on sky sports last year, plenty of us watched absolutely shed loads of La Liga, Serie A, Eredevise and Bundesliga last year. Not because we're world class football scouts in some kind of elite but just because it's ridiculously easily accessible and it's how we enjoy spending a Sunday afternoon. Iborra's not some unknown from the Colombian fifth tier, he plays for one of Europe's most televised teams. It's just the constant negativity and over analyzing. Fair enough you might have watched some Sevilla games and you know how to google his stats. Fantastic. But how about welocomg the guy and waiting to see how he fits in the structure of the club and the team and see what plans the manager has for him. But no, you're the expert and you can see the future and you've got it all sussed.
chicagofox Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 1 minute ago, Adster said: People would moan if Everton pipped us to this signing, yet people still moan when he is signing this Forum is incredible sometimes. The place would be going in to meltdown if the all mighty Steve Walsh had signed him for Everton. You are absolutely right mate.
dedlock Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 8 minutes ago, Webbo said: So we were first linked to him less than 24 hours ago and he's already on his way for a medical? How does this fit with the usual whining we get on here about how bad the club is at getting deals done? Agreed. There's no pleasing some posters. He is likely to been identified as an option months ago and carefully scouted. It's just gone under the radar until the last 24 hours.
Babylon Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 2 minutes ago, chicagofox said: It's just the constant negativity and over analyzing. Fair enough you might have watched some Sevilla games and you know how to google his stats. Fantastic. But how about welocomg the guy and waiting to see how he fits in the structure of the club and the team and see what plans the manager has for him. But no, you're the expert and you can see the future and you've got it all sussed. It's a football forum for people to share thoughts, people are just doing exactly what this place is designed for.
Steve Earle Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 1 minute ago, dedlock said: Agreed. There's no pleasing some posters. He is likely to been identified as an option months ago and carefully scouted. It's just gone under the radar until the last 24 hours. Replace likely with 'certain' and you'll be right . Clubs of our stature (I'm not being ironic) and resources don't buy players on a whim, we plan a minimum of 2-3 windows ahead, with a number of choices targeted for each position. Iborra would have been identified before we played against him in the CL.
Finnegan Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 Just now, chicagofox said: It's just the constant negativity and over analyzing. Fair enough you might have watched some Sevilla games and you know how to google his stats. Fantastic. But how about welocomg the guy and waiting to see how he fits in the structure of the club and the team and see what plans the manager has for him. But no, you're the expert and you can see the future and you've got it all sussed. Ugghhh. Give me strength. Literally nobody has said he'll be rubbish. Nobody is being particularly negative. Reactions have ranged from a little non-plussed to fairly excited. A few people have said he's going to be our replacement Okazaki and a few others have said he isn't. I said myself I think it's a good signing, we need depth and options in the middle that are quality. But equally there's no point having ridiculous expectations because I promise you it'll be the people that thought we were signing some Luka Modric that are slagging him off and calling him fvcking shit and a flop in a few months time while those of us that you're calling out for being measured about him now will be the ones defending the guy from the mob. Same every signing.
Babylon Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 1 minute ago, Finnegan said: But equally there's no point having ridiculous expectations because I promise you it'll be the people that thought we were signing some Luka Modric that are slagging him off and calling him fvcking shit and a flop in a few months time while those of us that you're calling out for being measured about him now will be the ones defending the guy from the mob. a-fooking-men
wasthedestroyer Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 At least its a start I guess. Hopefully we finally have our hands in the market and will get moving on with other signings. Lets see him in pre-season then judge
AjcW Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 We've signed a good defender and an experienced but not old midfielder, we've done exactly what we needed to do so far, and as long as there's a right back incoming and a replacement for Mahrez then we'll be alright!
Moksky Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said: I agree with this in as much as I'm all for aiming high. Players are going to Everton for two reasons: Walsh and money. Idiotic letting Walsh move when he'd signed a contract. They have billionaire owners and so do we. As good as ours have been, it strikes me there is much more ambition from their billionaire than from ours. I don't have an issue with this particular signing - until I've seen him play. It was stupid letting Walsh go. Even for Ferguson to acknowledge Walsh when we were crowned champions, show the mans influence on our success. Everton arent paying anymore than us. It nots so lack of ambiton from our owners, its some of the idiotic decisions from those who run the club for them. As many good decisions, in the last 18 months there have been some bad one whihc is currently undoing the hardwork and success that we could have built on and sustained. That is the frustrating thing. As for Iborra - like I say I pray he is worth the transfer fee
Gerard Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 Just now, chicagofox said: It's just the constant negativity and over analyzing. Fair enough you might have watched some Sevilla games and you know how to google his stats. Fantastic. But how about welocomg the guy and waiting to see how he fits in the structure of the club and the team and see what plans the manager has for him. But no, you're the expert and you can see the future and you've got it all sussed. So we can't give our opinion on this forum until we've seen him in action for six months? My record on this forum on our signings without seeing them play and judging them on their profile and stats has been fantastic in the last few years even though I say so myself. I called Kante and Ndidi as a fantastic signings just by looking at their stats and reading what fans of their previous clubs said. I also said Benalouane and Mendy would be terrible signings and had big reservations on Slimani and Musa. I think Iborra will be okay for us and not pull up any trees. He'll be a bits and pieces player who will come on as sub in most games. I can tell he's not athletic to play in a two enough by looking at his physique. He's 6,3" and built like a bouncer but not very well cut. He won't have the engine to carry that frame as a hard working central midfielder and he's not creative enough to play No10. We already know he's not good enough for Sevilla's first XI and as a richer club that pay higher wages we shouldn't be paying £12m for their 29 year old cast offs. The only way I can see he does start regular for us is if he plays the "Eric Dier" role for us. Two attacking full backs and him sitting in the hole between midfield and defence to make a back three when the full backs push up. He'll be okay for us but ultimately bad value when we judge his Leicester career when he leaves is my prediction.
HowardsBulletHeader Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 21 minutes ago, chicagofox said: Get a fcuking grip. We could sign Christiao Ronaldo on a free and some miserable tossers on here would find reason to moan about it. Too old, on the decline, wage demands too high, would upset the balance of the squad , doesn't track back and has an attitude problem. No thanks.
Babylon Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 1 minute ago, AjcW said: We've signed a good defender and an experienced but not old midfielder, we've done exactly what we needed to do so far, and as long as there's a right back incoming and a replacement for Mahrez then we'll be alright! I think part of the issue is sometimes we see someone being signed who isn't particularly in the area we need the most, the overriding feeling is "what about the bloody CB / ACM / ST / RW" etc. Signings aren't made in the order of importance though, they are made in the order they can get done. If this signing was made at the end of a window where we got Maguire, Iheanacho, Gibson a Winger and Mendy going out. We'd all probably be saying, ah ok I see what the thinking is here, that's a solid window.
chicagofox Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 1 minute ago, Gerard said: So we can't give our opinion on this forum until we've seen him in action for six months? My record on this forum on our signings without seeing them play and judging them on their profile and stats has been fantastic in the last few years even though I say so myself. I called Kante and Ndidi as a fantastic signings just by looking at their stats and reading what fans of their previous clubs said. I also said Benalouane and Mendy would be terrible signings and had big reservations on Slimani and Musa. I think Iborra will be okay for us and not pull up any trees. He'll be a bits and pieces player who will come on as sub in most games. I can tell he's not athletic to play in a two enough by looking at his physique. He's 6,3" and built like a bouncer but not very well cut. He won't have the engine to carry that frame as a hard working central midfielder and he's not creative enough to play No10. We already know he's not good enough for Sevilla's first XI and as a richer club that pay higher wages we shouldn't be paying £12m for their 29 year old cast offs. The only way I can see he does start regular for us is if he plays the "Eric Dier" role for us. Two attacking full backs and him sitting in the hole between midfield and defence to make a back three when the full backs push up. He'll be okay for us but ultimately bad value when we judge his Leicester career when he leaves is my prediction. Well aren't you the expert. You should be working in football, you're clearly a loss to the scouting industry.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 4 July 2017 Posted 4 July 2017 1 hour ago, Papasmurf said: Nobody is going to Everton because of Walsh. What nonsense. What ARE you on about he's the chief scout ffs. Walsh had Keane lined up last summer for us - we wouldn't pay the £20m or whatever it was. Walsh goes to Everton - they buy him for £25m. He scouts them and the billionaire owner pays the fee and wages required you condescending muppet. You could not be more wrong with your earlier reply.
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