themightyfin Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 Do people not realise it was a friendly? Nothing more than a training exercise to boost fitness levels.
Buzzell Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 1 minute ago, themightyfin said: Do people not realise it was a friendly? Nothing more than a training exercise to boost fitness levels. Be nice for a positive result for once to go with a decent performance though aye?
lifted*fox Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 42 minutes ago, murphy said: We are not an expansive or possession based team, our game is pace and intensity. You won't see that full throttle pre season so some people just need to calm down. So what's the excuse for the final games of last season which looked pretty much exactly the same as these pre-season games? People are concerned not because we lost but because we're approaching these games with the same lackadaisical attitude to the end of last season with zero attacking intent, zero attempts on goal and the same tired knackered old players. Our formation and approach is tired, we were sussed out ages ago and we only lifted ourselves last season because of the managerial change and the buzz it created. Without that we will continue to be toothless, careless and wasteful and with nobody to create we will look out of ideas. All these pre-season games are showing is that we can expect more of the same and more of the same isn't going to work forever. It's like LCFC is stuck in a time warp where we refuse to move forward and let go of the past. Prepare yourself for another laborious and frustrating start to the season - all the signs are there no matter how much the optimistic crowd are wanting to deny it.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 5 minutes ago, themightyfin said: Do people not realise it was a friendly? Nothing more than a training exercise to boost fitness levels. No, it's not just "a friendly". This is preparation for the season ahead and is all so important for building the framework of what you do over a season and a positive forward momentum. I've only just watched 5 minutes worth of highlights for the Wolves game, but there were plenty of worrying signs from that alone so god knows what watching the whole game was like - but I suspect it was much like the MK Dons game, which was also awful. Our opening game is Arsenal away in less than two weeks - to get anything, we'll need to play exceptionally - we look miles away from that. Perhaps the biggest worry from what i see... Our 4-4-2 game of two years ago doesn't work as it did anymore (teams wise up), but it seems we're wedded to it.
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 So what's the excuse for the final games of last season which looked pretty much exactly the same as these pre-season games? People are concerned not because we lost but because we're approaching these games with the same lackadaisical attitude to the end of last season with zero attacking intent, zero attempts on goal and the same tired knackered old players. Our formation and approach is tired, we were sussed out ages ago and we only lifted ourselves last season because of the managerial change and the buzz it created. Without that we will continue to be toothless, careless and wasteful and with nobody to create we will look out of ideas. All these pre-season games are showing is that we can expect more of the same and more of the same isn't going to work forever. It's like LCFC is stuck in a time warp where we refuse to move forward and let go of the past. Prepare yourself for another laborious and frustrating start to the season - all the signs are there no matter how much the optimistic crowd are wanting to deny it. The sooner you get home and start laying that patio the better. You need to let off some steam.
lifted*fox Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 It's fine, I'll let off plenty of steam when I start dishing out the 'I told you so' posts in a few weeks time.
foxinsocks Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 2 minutes ago, DJ Barry Hammond said: No, it's not just "a friendly". This is preparation for the season ahead and is all so important for building the framework of what you do over a season and a positive forward momentum. I've only just watched 5 minutes worth of highlights for the Wolves game, but there were plenty of worrying signs from that alone so god knows what watching the whole game was like - but I suspect it was much like the MK Dons game, which was also awful. Our opening game is Arsenal away in less than two weeks - to get anything, we'll need to play exceptionally - we look miles away from that. Perhaps the biggest worry from what i see... Our 4-4-2 game of two years ago doesn't work as it did anymore (teams wise up), but it seems we're wedded to it. This. Some games will allow us to bring on teams and then hit tgem with a raoid counter. .. eg this worked against liverpool at home last season. But we need alternative modes of play. Shakey needs to be bolder and willing to shae it up
AjcW Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 It might be pre season it’s just all a bit depressing. Harvey Barnes, wonderful season in league one, shipped off to play 50 minute crap football in France. Reiss Nelson, Arsenal... played loads during pre season and made a massive impact... he’s 17 and never proved himself outside of Arsenal’s youth. The only reason Johnson got a run out yesterday is because we don’t have another right back when doing two different elevens. We’re so backward, it’s taken 3 years for Chilwell to get a kick! Jobs for the boys at the minute and too much comfort around, it’s concerning
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 The other thing to be worried about is if we get a tonking early doors - the transfer windows still open and we could find many a player thinking "**** this!" Worryingly my mind is already pondering... who would be available to come in (manager).
Legend_in_blue Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 4 minutes ago, foxinsocks said: This. Some games will allow us to bring on teams and then hit tgem with a raoid counter. .. eg this worked against liverpool at home last season. But we need alternative modes of play. Shakey needs to be bolder and willing to shake it up Is he capable of leading such a change? As of yet, we've seen nothing to show that he is. All we have seen are poor to mediocre performances which are excused off as light training sessions while the players gain fitness.
worthosoriginals Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 52 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said: Not been keeping up with the game but looking on here it looks like posters are hanging ropes on rafters after a pre-season friendly. Think some of you lot need to go down pub for an hour or two like Don't exaggerate, some are overdosing and a few are self harming.
lifted*fox Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 That's fine mate, we're first in line at the razorblade / drug store where the rest of you will be queuing up for days when this shower of shit continues to spill over into the actual season. Can't believe some people are so blind to our obvious shortcomings. Not even recent shortcomings but ones that have existed for nearly 2 years and yet our club is either completely oblivious to or hasn't got the ability to sort it out. People acting like it's knee-jerk pessimism when it's anything but...
nettle Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 I can remember we played Lincoln in a pre-season friendly the season we won the league and we were pretty crap against them. So I think it's worth waiting until season starts before we start worrying to much.
oadby.fox Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 Whilst some are overreacting a little bit, I have to admit the last few performances have been worrying. Arsenal is under two weeks away and the team looks so far off the pace. Of course we shouldn't be building everything on a couple of preseason friendlies but I would have liked to see some new systems given a go with the players that we already have at our disposal. The commenters here saying that these games are 'just for fitness' are wrong. Yes, it's important to get back up to that match intensity but it's also a time to tinker the first 11, formation and tactics. You want to see each member of the squad fighting to start that first game of the season and I hate to say it but right now it looks like no one wants to be there. It is clear that we still need a few quality additions in key areas. Shift out some of the deadwood - Musa and Ulloa should be the first to go, instead bring in Kelechi and give more game time to Lawrence and Gray. Kingy has been a loyal servant to the club but I think either he or James could also make-way for a CM that is going to properly compete with Drinky and Didi, I'm not sure who we could bring in exactly but we desperately need some creativity in there and I think we could attract some decent players from mid-table European sides. Lastly a RB/CB, I would love a versatile defender with youth on his side but being more realistic I think we could snap up Debuchy for a couple mil. He's already got premier league experience and I think he would be a good addition to the squad, it certainly wouldn't hurt us to have that option and he can also play CB if desperate.
whitwickfox Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 It may be a friendly but it was a friendly to fu.cking wolves. Who incidentally tore sh.it out of us. Friendly my arse
lifted*fox Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 Not quite sure how many times it needs reiterating but those of us who are 'overreacting' aren't doing so because of a few pre-season losses, we're doing so because we've failed to sign players who are an improvement, we've failed to try tactics to freshen us up and we've failed to muster up more than a handful of chances whilst lower league teams are busting our midfield a brand new shiny arsehole. We won the league 2 seasons ago ffs, we shouldn't look this bad, friendly fitness test or not. Really, not, hard, to, grasp... Is it?
volpeazzurro Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 No one expects the boys to go out at full tilt for a number of reasons, but surely against teams like Luton , MK Dons and today with a near full strength side, you would expect the gulf between the sides to be a bit more apparent. I agree with regards to the 442 and I don't think that with Ndidi and Drinky it would be strong enough for our first game against Arsenal so why not add Ibora as protection and practice a different formation. I think Ranieri had recognised that however great our system had been, it was going to have it's limitations, particularly with a weak midfield which we had with a loss of Kante and injuries. Shakey needs to experiment now not just get people fit and the time to try things is against lesser teams in preseason, not when it starts.
HankMarvin Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 5 minutes ago, oadby.fox said: Whilst some are overreacting a little bit, I have to admit the last few performances have been worrying. Arsenal is under two weeks away and the team looks so far off the pace. Of course we shouldn't be building everything on a couple of preseason friendlies but I would have liked to see some new systems given a go with the players that we already have at our disposal. The commenters here saying that these games are 'just for fitness' are wrong. Yes, it's important to get back up to that match intensity but it's also a time to tinker the first 11, formation and tactics. You want to see each member of the squad fighting to start that first game of the season and I hate to say it but right now it looks like no one wants to be there. It is clear that we still need a few quality additions in key areas. Shift out some of the deadwood - Musa and Ulloa should be the first to go, instead bring in Kelechi and give more game time to Lawrence and Gray. Kingy has been a loyal servant to the club but I think either he or James could also make-way for a CM that is going to properly compete with Drinky and Didi, I'm not sure who we could bring in exactly but we desperately need some creativity in there and I think we could attract some decent players from mid-table European sides. Lastly a RB/CB, I would love a versatile defender with youth on his side but being more realistic I think we could snap up Debuchy for a couple mil. He's already got premier league experience and I think he would be a good addition to the squad, it certainly wouldn't hurt us to have that option and he can also play CB if desperate. not that far off the pace from the spurs and Bournemouth performances
Livid Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 3 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: not that far off the pace from the spurs and Bournemouth performances True!
Kitchandro Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 The problem that me is not that we need a plan b, but a plan a. Shakey's style is neither one thing nor another, it's just a load of players with no ideas. We don't play like we did when we won the league, and whatever we are trying to do, it doesn't look like it's panning out. We play with no tempo at all and that is the main problem. It's also clear we need at least a couple of big signings to strengthen the starting 11, starting with a creative player in midfield.
oadby.fox Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 17 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: not that far off the pace from the spurs and Bournemouth performances Well I was critical then as well, you would just hope that some of the issues were addressed and they haven't been. The Mahrez saga is going on way too long, I wish he didn't open his stupid mouth. Coming out and saying he wanted to leave like that has lowered his price drastically IMO. Now clubs know the players intentions and will use that as a bargaining chip to drive the price down, meanwhile we are stuck in no-mans land. Irrespective of that we should be moving forward to make 2 or 3 signings.
evil jack Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 12 minutes ago, nettle said: I can remember we played Lincoln in a pre-season friendly the season we won the league and we were pretty crap against them. So I think it's worth waiting until season starts before we start worrying to much. That was the first game of that pre-season and we beat them 1-3 we then drew 1-1 with Mansfield, but won all of the remaining games, scoring at least twice in each.
Leicesterlichtie Posted 29 July 2017 Posted 29 July 2017 Yes, it's pre season but the lack of goals & poor performances against lesser opposition isn't very inspiring. Fortunately City always seem to up their game when we play the better teams. Still need some new players to freshen the squad up & a plan B.
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