Unpopular Opinions You Hold

[BenTheFox]

What people describe as 'anti-football' I.e. Sitting men behind the ball, cynical fouls, longballs, relying on counterattacks and set pieces can actually be very good to watch. 

[Nalis]

34 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

What people describe as 'anti-football' I.e. Sitting men behind the ball, cynical fouls, longballs, relying on counterattacks and set pieces can actually be very good to watch. 

Agreed. Chelsea away to Barcelona in 2012 was a masterclass in defending. It was what people might call shithousery but I thought it was absorbing.

[RonnieTodger]

3 hours ago, RumbleFox said:

Going to games doesn’t make you a better fan. 

Running a football twitter account absolutely doesn’t. They’re all freaks and I write that as someone with over 7000 posts on foxestalk

Edited 24 April 2022 by RonnieTodger

[Nalis]

3 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Wanting Rodgers sacked off of the back of this season is one of the worst, and most deluded, football opinions I have ever heard. 

*Insert popcorn gif here*

[Corky]

20 hours ago, Sampson said:

Agreed, especially with living costs right now or if like myself you used to have a season ticket years ago but you’ve long moved away from Leicestershire. It’s a bizarre form of gatekeeping.

 

Couldn’t believe people mocking ManCity fans for not filling their end at Wembley with the economy the way it is.

 

Totally agree with this tweet.

 

 

The Man City thing is quite complex and not just a case of people not bothering, I think @Cardiff_Fox mentioned it before.

 

 I agree that mocking people at this time for not attending matches is pathetic, though tellingly it seems to be fans of Man Utd and Liverpool who are most vocal with the Emptyhad nonsense.

[leicsmac]

Touched on it in the Ukraine thread, but it probably goes here:

 

The idealisation bordering on obsession that some people in the UK have with "The War" and trying to apply it to the events of today (mostly involving geopolitics) is, in a world vastly and increasingly removed from a time eighty years ago, much more of a weakness than a strength.

[Nalis]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Touched on it in the Ukraine thread, but it probably goes here:

 

The idealisation bordering on obsession that some people in the UK have with "The War" and trying to apply it to the events of today (mostly involving geopolitics) is, in a world vastly and increasingly removed from a time eighty years ago, much more of a weakness than a strength.

I think the reality is that its some people in every day life and the media talking about it rather than 60 millions people talking about bomb sirens, rations and 'those Germans' 24/7.

[leicsmac]

11 minutes ago, Nalis said:

I think the reality is that its some people in every day life and the media talking about it rather than 60 millions people talking about bomb sirens, rations and 'those Germans' 24/7.

Yep, hence "some".

 

I think the point still stands, however.

[ealingfox]

Describing tonight as a European semi, whilst accurate, is a bit tinpot. Particularly implying that it's of greater magnitude than the Atletico games.

[Izzy]

4 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Describing tonight as a European semi, whilst accurate, is a bit tinpot. Particularly implying that it's of greater magnitude than the Atletico games.

Yeah, I see if more as a play off semi tbh. 
 

I don’t really think of it as winning a European trophy, but more ‘just’ qualifying for a place in the Europa league next season

[kenny]

31 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Yeah, I see if more as a play off semi tbh. 
 

I don’t really think of it as winning a European trophy, but more ‘just’ qualifying for a place in the Europa league next season

I will celebrate this in the same way the cup winners cup was celebrated when it was around.

 

A European trophy is a European trophy. Its not like we are playing a third rate Austrian team in the semi final. If we win it will be a massive achievement.

[bovril]

"the semi final of a European competition isn't really a European semi final"

[Izzy]

15 minutes ago, kenny said:

I will celebrate this in the same way the cup winners cup was celebrated when it was around.

 

A European trophy is a European trophy. Its not like we are playing a third rate Austrian team in the semi final. If we win it will be a massive achievement.

I remember the famous British teams of the 80s and 90s winning the European Cup winners cup.
I’m struggling to put this conference league play off for a Europa league place in the same bracket tbh.

Will obvs still be delighted if we win it like…

[bovril]

8 minutes ago, Izzy said:

I remember the famous British teams of the 80s and 90s winning the European Cup winners cup.
I’m struggling to put this conference league play off for a Europa league place in the same bracket tbh.

Will obvs still be delighted if we win it like…

We all tend to view football in the past as more iconic and special than it really was. The quality and history of the final four in this UECL is obvious and we are arguably one of the best teams in the last few years in possibly the best European league. Let's not sell ourselves short as we often do. 

[ozleicester]

It could easily be a match against Roma in the Champs League.

Itll be more than a semi if we win this

[Izzy]

1 minute ago, bovril said:

We all tend to view football in the past as more iconic and special than it really was. The quality and history of the final four in this UECL is obvious and we are arguably one of the best teams in the last few years in possibly the best European league. Let's not sell ourselves short as we often do. 

Yeah maybe there’s an element of selling ourselves short.
Although the fact Brendan had never heard of the competition speaks volumes really.

[Asha]

Only we could be in a European Cup semi final and spend that special day worrying about whether it's really a European Cup semi final or not. 

[lcfc278]

8 minutes ago, ozleicester said:

It could easily be a match against Roma in the Champs League.

Itll be more than a semi if we win this

I'll have more than a semi if we win this!

[tom27111]

1 minute ago, Asha said:

Only we could be in a European Cup semi final and spend that special day worrying about whether it's really a European Cup semi final or not. 

Only we could laugh so hard at Spurs and piss ourselves that they only qualified for "the fvcking Europa Conference League? What tinpot shit is that? Hahaha look at Spurs, they're shit", then treat it like the biggest thing that's ever happened to us.

 

It's a trophy, I obviously want us to win it, but their is a level of hypocrisy. 

[Sampson]

1 hour ago, ealingfox said:

Describing tonight as a European semi, whilst accurate, is a bit tinpot. Particularly implying that it's of greater magnitude than the Atletico games.

Hopefully this isn't unpopular, but anyone who describes anything in football as "tinpot" has been duped into the Sky Sports view that football should all be about money and the big money clubs that anyone who isn't a Sky 6 club should be looked down their noses at and anyone celebrating anything other than a Premier League or Champions League win should be looked down their noses at. 

 

No surprise that Martin Tyler was scoffing and looking down his noses at us prioritising the Conference over finishing a place or two higher in midtable of the Premier League. I never remember people calling the Cup Winners Cup "tinpot" back in the day, teams wanted to win it and supporters had great experiences and memories of winning it, it's a very post-1992 attitude sadly.

It's the rich boys' club celebration police at its worst. We're in a semi-final of a European tournament, if we win it, then the run will give us memories we'll look back on for the rest of our lives. Why the hell should we downplay those memories to appease Liverpool or ManUtd fans scoffing at the reputation of the tournament which doesn't give them as much income. Fans of almost every club in Europe bar about 7 or 8 would swap places with us and love to be in our position in Europe now, it would be a once in a lifetime memory that would live forever with almost all of them (as it will with us).

 

Just enjoy the bloody game and enjoy the bloody memories instead of worrying about how "tinpot" we look to a very small handful of ultra-rich clubs.

Edited 28 April 2022 by Sampson

[Mike Oxlong]

It was tinpot when Spurs were in this competition which had only been created by UEFA to increase its footprint and revenue streams but now we’re there we might as well enjoy the ride, particularly if it results in Mourinho tears 

[ealingfox]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

Hopefully this isn't unpopular, but anyone who describes anything in football as "tinpot" has been duped into the Sky Sports view that football should all be about money and the big money clubs that anyone who isn't a Sky 6 club should be looked down their noses at and anyone celebrating anything other than a Premier League or Champions League win should be looked down their noses at. 

 

No surprise that Martin Tyler was scoffing and looking down his noses at us prioritising the Conference over finishing a place or two higher in midtable of the Premier League. I never remember people calling the Cup Winners Cup "tinpot" back in the day, teams wanted to win it and supporters had great experiences and memories of winning it, it's a very post-1992 attitude sadly.

It's the rich boys' club celebration police at its worst. We're in a semi-final of a European tournament, if we win it, then the run will give us memories we'll look back on for the rest of our lives. Why the hell should we downplay those memories to appease Liverpool or ManUtd fans scoffing at the reputation of the tournament which doesn't give them as much income. Fans of almost every club in Europe bar about 7 or 8 would swap places with us and love to be in our position in Europe now, it would be a once in a lifetime memory that would live forever with almost all of them (as it will with us).

 

Just enjoy the bloody game and enjoy the bloody memories instead of worrying about how "tinpot" we look to a very small handful of ultra-rich clubs.

 

I agree to an extent, but the Brian Clough Trophy is clearly tinpot and not on the basis you describe.

 

Also I don't enjoy any Leicester game unless we are more than 2 goals up and there are under 10 minutes left so the whole 'enjoy the game' thing is a bit of a moot point as far as I'm concerned.

Edited 28 April 2022 by ealingfox

[Guest ttfn]

Lots of revisionism about the CWC. It was the second, not the third, competition in European football - in the 80s in most countries if you finished second in the league and won your national cup you went into the CWC. This created the very real possibility that some of the very elite sides in Europe would be in it.
 

An extreme example is that in the 1991 competition that Man United won, they beat Barcelona in the final who won the following year’s Champions League final against Sampdoria, who had also been in the 90/91 CWC. In fact that 90/91 CWC had that season’s champions of Italy, Spain and Germany. By the end it had definitely been relegated to being a third-tier tournament but it is remembered fondly because for the most part it wasn’t and it was often contested by elite sides.

 

Unfortunately the nature of football now is that league position matters above cups and there is little social mobility. As such it is extremely unlikely that the UECL will ever have (comparatively) the same quality of sides in it as the CWC did for much of its life.

[kenny]

9 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Yeah maybe there’s an element of selling ourselves short.
Although the fact Brendan had never heard of the competition speaks volumes really.

That was just out of the Stringer 'The Apprentice' playbook. He knew full well what it was he just play billy big b*llocks Brendan.

[Sampson]

27 minutes ago, ttfn said:

Lots of revisionism about the CWC. It was the second, not the third, competition in European football - in the 80s in most countries if you finished second in the league and won your national cup you went into the CWC. This created the very real possibility that some of the very elite sides in Europe would be in it.
 

An extreme example is that in the 1991 competition that Man United won, they beat Barcelona in the final who won the following year’s Champions League final against Sampdoria, who had also been in the 90/91 CWC. In fact that 90/91 CWC had that season’s champions of Italy, Spain and Germany. By the end it had definitely been relegated to being a third-tier tournament but it is remembered fondly because for the most part it wasn’t and it was often contested by elite sides.

 

Unfortunately the nature of football now is that league position matters above cups and there is little social mobility. As such it is extremely unlikely that the UECL will ever have (comparatively) the same quality of sides in it as the CWC did for much of its life.

You’re judging ManUtd and Barcelona on todays standards though. They weren’t the megaclubs they are today back then or rather that was just when they were starting to become mega clubs. ManUtd we’re still seen as a club of the 60s and Liverpool and Arsenal were very much seen as the biggest clubs in England at the time.

 

Easy to forget that Barcelona had never won a European Cup until that 1992 victory and that they were always seen as a bit of underachievers in the European circuit like Roma or Atletico Madrid today.