Thoughts on Dyche?

[sk3since03]

If Chris Coleman is frontrunner then Sean Dyche would be an excellent appointment  

[Captain...]

Has done a great job at Burnley, built a squad capable of competing in the Premier League over a number of years, worked on a shoestring. - Credit for what he has done but not  what we need at the moment, and probably not what he would want. He isn't stupid he won't leave Burnley during what looks to be their best season in the PL era for a struggling team with more money than sense. He would be better off waiting until the end of the season going to an Everton or Southampton or Brom or Stoke and give himself a fair crack of sorting out the problems pre-season. 

 

Can't see it happening to be honest, but would support him if he did come.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

9 minutes ago, sk3since03 said:

If Chris Coleman is frontrunner then Sean Dyche would be an excellent appointment  

This. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

If it's true the dyche is attainable for 2.5m then we must go for him.

 

We don't have many realistic options and he has the experience and skills to build a team and make us competitive.

 

Plus it'll be interesting to see what he does regarding clearing out players and how he spends our many pounds notes.

 

Don't know whether it's a good thing but her reminds me of Pearson too!

[sk3since03]

3 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Has done a great job at Burnley, built a squad capable of competing in the Premier League over a number of years, worked on a shoestring. - Credit for what he has done but not  what we need at the moment, and probably not what he would want. He isn't stupid he won't leave Burnley during what looks to be their best season in the PL era for a struggling team with more money than sense. He would be better off waiting until the end of the season going to an Everton or Southampton or Brom or Stoke and give himself a fair crack of sorting out the problems pre-season. 

 

Can't see it happening to be honest, but would support him if he did come.

Money talks though, he’d probably have his wages tripled coming to Leicester.

 

Some saying he only live’s an hour or so down the road, might just make sense for him on a personal stand point! I’d back him for sure. Good solid manager and looks to be a motivator! 

 

If i didn't work out then he’s built up enough credabilty i rekon to walk into another job, obviously hoping he’d succeed here which i think i he would! 

 

The idea is growing on me! 

 

Gerrimin 

[Captain...]

4 minutes ago, sk3since03 said:

Money talks though, he’d probably have his wages tripled coming to Leicester.

 

Some saying he only live’s an hour or so down the road, might just make sense for him on a personal stand point! I’d back him for sure. Good solid manager and looks to be a motivator! 

 

If i didn't work out then he’s built up enough credabilty i rekon to walk into another job, obviously hoping he’d succeed here which i think i he would! 

 

The idea is growing on me! 

 

Gerrimin 

I don't want a manager coming here for the money, I want them coming here because it is the right fit, and I don't see it as being the right fit at the moment. Maybe in the summer, but right now we need someone who knows what they are doing at a "big" club that can deal with a complicated dressing room full of egos.

 

He can motivate a rag tag bunch of misfits and cast offs, but we have a squad full of internationals and premier league winners. If we were talking a post Pearson replacement then I could see the logic, but this lot are suffering a crisis of confidence and identity and probably won't react well to being growled at by someone who has won nothing.

 

I have no idea if we could tempt Brendan Rodgers away from Celtic, but I would be looking there, or Wagner or Tuchel before Dyche.

[sk3since03]

1 minute ago, Captain... said:

I don't want a manager coming here for the money, I want them coming here because it is the right fit, and I don't see it as being the right fit at the moment. Maybe in the summer, but right now we need someone who knows what they are doing at a "big" club that can deal with a complicated dressing room full of egos.

 

He can motivate a rag tag bunch of misfits and cast offs, but we have a squad full of internationals and premier league winners. If we were talking a post Pearson replacement then I could see the logic, but this lot are suffering a crisis of confidence and identity and probably won't react well to being growled at by someone who has won nothing.

 

I have no idea if we could tempt Brendan Rodgers away from Celtic, but I would be looking there, or Wagner or Tuchel before Dyche.

I agree with you ! 

 

I don’t see Rodgers , Wagner or Tuchel or even Ancelotti coming though! 

 

Point i guess i was making is Dyche seems the most realistic 

[Cincinnati Fox]

12 hours ago, bmouth_fox said:

Are people aware that Ian Woan is his assistant at Burnley? Ex Forest. That would be hard to swallow 

And so was MON and most of his back room staff. Did you find MON hard to swallow?

[Arriba Los Zorros]

I don't want him here to be honest. Burnley are one of the most horrible, luckiest sides, who play utter turd football and fluke their way to many 0-1s.

 

More so than that, he's just a ginger c*nt with a chip on his shoulder and a shit goatee. We can do better

[AKCJ]

41 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

You think the players look motivated and organised? I don't.

 

So you'd be ok with Dyche, but you think we'd play more negatively than we are at the moment?

 

Sorry, that just doesn't add up. We are the most negative side in the league, firstly. I don't believe anyone is more negative than us, we are horrendous. You couldn't possibly win games playing this negatively. You need to be a threat going forwards.

 

I'm struggling to see which games you think we've tried to score goals and force the issue in, Arsenal aside? Don't say Liverpool, it's no good once you're already 2 goals down.

 

 

Does my head in that people think Dyche is negative.

Been away to Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton this season. Won twice and drawn twice scoring in every game.

 

Their attacking play against Everton in particular was superb bordering on sensational. Their goal was beautiful free-flowing attacking football.

 

I'd wager that you haven't seen a minute of their football this season.

 

[Fox92]

2 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Does my head in that people think Dyche is negative.

Been away to Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton this season. Won twice and drawn twice scoring in every game.

 

Their attacking play against Everton in particular was superb bordering on sensational. Their goal was beautiful free-flowing attacking football.

 

I'd wager that you haven't seen a minute of their football this season.

 

Even if they were negative at Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton and Spurs at least they got points out of it. 8 points from those games is a great return.

 

We went to Manchester United and were very negative and still got beat.

[Captain...]

12 hours ago, bmouth_fox said:

Are people aware that Ian Woan is his assistant at Burnley? Ex Forest. That would be hard to swallow 

 

I don't like Forest, but the assistant manager of a managerial target being a former Forest player, is hardly going to make me rip up my season ticket in a frothing rage. We have had plenty of players and managers with Forest ties, some good, some bad, but when our Captain was a former Forest Captain and born and bred tree. I think Ian Woan, who was always seemed a decent sort, being a possible part of Dyche's support team will barely even register with most fans.

[Babylon]

46 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

You think the players look motivated and organised? I don't.

 

So you'd be ok with Dyche, but you think we'd play more negatively than we are at the moment?

 

Sorry, that just doesn't add up. We are the most negative side in the league, firstly. I don't believe anyone is more negative than us, we are horrendous. You couldn't possibly win games playing this negatively. You need to be a threat going forwards.

 

I'm struggling to see which games you think we've tried to score goals and force the issue in, Arsenal aside? Don't say Liverpool, it's no good once you're already 2 goals down.

 

 

Burnley have been very negative, in games against big boys they've mostly had less possession than we did, less shots and chances created, faced more shots.

[Dirkster the Fox]

11 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Burnley have been very negative, in games against big boys they've mostly had less possession than we did, less shots and chances created, faced more shots.

And drew away at Liverpool, Spurs and won at Everton.....scoring their goal with a move involving something like 26 passes.

[Clever Fox]

38 minutes ago, Ricey said:

If we were a team lacking organisation, lacking togetherness and shipping goals, then yes, I would want Sean Dyche. But we are not. Togetherness, motivation and organisation are already instilled within this squad, Shakespeare had no problems providing that.

 

Shakespeare was sacked because he seemed to lack the tactical nous to break teams down and change games. We should be looking towards managers that are predominately tacticians.

 

However, if the media is to be believed we want a disciplinarian, you know, because that worked out so wonderfully for Ranieri last season.

Who have you been watching this season? I've seen very little of the things you mentioned, Togetherness, No.DD quitting and Mahrez want out. Organisation, No. Vardy left to fend for himself. Mahrez kept in the Team when he clearly wasn't interested. Playing 2 in midfield against 3 or even 4. Playing King in midfield when he wouldn't win a tackle in a pub team. Didn't know our best team which is a sacrilege for any Manager.

We never at any time looked balanced anywhere on the pitch. You can't win Matches that way.

 

I'd say he was sacked for all of the above but also because we didn't seem to be showing any improvement. The performances were telling a different story to the perception.

It doesn't have to be a disciplinarian but it does have to be a leader and someone who knows what he doing and gets players to buy into his philosophy. It's more of an art form than a skill. some of the best never had a Coaching lesson in their life.

 

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Does my head in that people think Dyche is negative.

Been away to Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton this season. Won twice and drawn twice scoring in every game.

 

Their attacking play against Everton in particular was superb bordering on sensational. Their goal was beautiful free-flowing attacking football.

 

I'd wager that you haven't seen a minute of their football this season.

 

Grand total of three shots against Huddersfield, less than us.

 

Five shots against Liverpool and about 28% posession, substantially less than us.

 

A lot of games have been low posession and low shots. They've sat back deep and aimed to soak up the pressure.

 

The "sensational" play at Everton yielded 3 shots to Everton's 17.

 

They've done what they needed to do to get results, nothing wrong with that. But let's not kid ourselves the results are on the back of something they arent.

 

 

 

 

[Babylon]

Just now, Dirkster the Fox said:

And drew away at Liverpool, Spurs and won at Everton.....scoring their goal with a move involving something like 26 passes.

What's that got to do with anything? Not debating the end results am I.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

16 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Burnley have been very negative, in games against big boys they've mostly had less possession than we did, less shots and chances created, faced more shots.

Babylon is right, they are absolute bus parking hoof merchants, just like us basically but Dyche sets them up to do it better and they seem to be the luckiest team around as well, so many undeserved results at home last season.

 

And they might have scored one nice goal at Everton but you can bet that's an exception, most of their goals are long balls knocked down or set pieces.

[jonny_wright]

a interesting article on Dyche, he lives in Northampton and lives out of a hotel in Burnley, i think he would jump at the chance to manage us.

would treble his wage, have a bigger budget too

 

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/11156825.Revealing_insight_into_private_life_of_Burnley_boss_Sean_Dyche/

[orangecity23]

10 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Playing 2 in midfield against 3 or even 4. Playing King in midfield when he wouldn't win a tackle in a pub team.

 

We've got 3 fit central midfielders, of which King is one. You can complain about King starting, or not having a 3, but complaining about both simultaneously is just daft. There is literally no one else who could play there, unless you start playing people out of position.

[foxy boxing]

he's inside his comfort zone at Burnley where expectations are just not as high and he is doing a great job on limited resources. they only have one goal every year which is to stay in the Premier League whearas our expectations would be at least a top half finish!. the question is would he be able to handle the pressure at a club with ambitions and would he be able to deal with the big name Charlies in the dressing room!.

[jonny_wright]

1 minute ago, foxy boxing said:

he's inside his comfort zone at Burnley where expectations are just not as high and he is doing a great job on limited resources. they only have one goal every year which is to stay in the Premier League whearas our expectations would be at least a top half finish!. the question is would he be able to handle the pressure at a club with ambitions and would he be able to deal with the big name Charlies in the dressing room!.

Could he turn down treble his wage and 45mins commute from his home? 

[STUHILL]

I think some are being a little harsh on Dyche and his methods in trying to keep Burnley in the Premier League on a smaller budget and mostly championship players.

 

We can't really judge what brand of football he would play if he had a better calibre of player and more funds available.

 

In a recent interview he explained that he is still evolving and learning. I would quite like to see how he fairs with better players and in someways I feel secure in the fact that he has shown he is capable of winning dirty if needed. 

 

If he does take over, then I'm hopeful he can show us he can win playing a decent brand of football when he has the players and resources available. 

 

I guess one could argue that Howe on a similar budget at least tries to play a better brand of football, and I can't argue with that to be fair but I'd still like to think with players like Mahrez, Gray and eventually Silva, Dyche would recognise how ineffective the hoof has been for us and would try setting us up differently. 

 

I'd obviously still like a proven TOP manager such as Blanc but realistically, our options will likely be Dyche, Coleman and Pardew once everyone has ruled themselves out, so I'm trying to be as optimistic as possible with Dyche and just forget that Coleman and Pardew are even being mentioned in the media! 

 

[foxinsocks]

He is not high profile enough for our owners. .... he is a low budget survival specialist 

[STUHILL]

4 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

He is not high profile enough for our owners. .... he is a low budget survival specialist 

Bit unfair. He has only ever been tasked with that for one club: Burnley. 

 

He is not yet a Sam Allardyce figure who is known for playing dull football no matter the club or budget. 

 

Dyche with genuine Premier League players and ambitious owners, might become a lot more than a survival specialist.