RoyFox Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 13 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: To the person that said last years player is so much better than the Sunderland version Use Per 90 mins otherwise you’re using false info, he played 1584 minutes which is actually 17.6 x 90mins (games) Januzaj 3 goals 5 assists 1584 mins 0.45 per 90 Gray 3 goals 1 assist 1680 mins 0.21 per 90 Albrighton 2 goals 7 assists 2551 mins 0.31 per 90
HankMarvin Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 5 minutes ago, RoyFox said: Use Per 90 mins otherwise you’re using false info, he played 1584 minutes which is actually 17.6 x 90mins (games) Januzaj 3 goals 5 assists 1584 mins 0.45 per 90 Gray 3 goals 1 assist 1680 mins 0.21 per 90 Albrighton 2 goals 7 assists 2551 mins 0.31 per 90 But look at the opposition of the lesser teams
kingfox Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 Januzaj is the type of player who has obvious talent but rarely shows it, signing him would be underwhelming, I'd prefer others. As to those saying a new winger isn't a must, I've said some deluded shit in the past but saying we don't need a winger beats it.
Samilktray Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 Someone said "relative backwaters of Real Sociedad" 1
RoyFox Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: But look at the opposition of the lesser teams La Liga is a good standard, he also showed up when getting an assist and MOTM during the 3-0 hiding of Atletico Madrid. Of course there is risk, but the lads only 23 and has shown real progression in the last year. Edited 2 August 2018 by RoyFox
FrankieADZ Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 think he could do a good job here if he came, just hope there isnt too much pressure but on him if he did, certainly shown he has alot of potential too
Gerard Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 23 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: Here's a story: About six years ago, Chelsea loaned a then relatively unknown Belgian midfielder to Werder Bremen. Kevin De Bruyne was 21 years old at that point. He did rather well, returned to Chelsea in the summer of 2013, couldn't make an impact and was then sold to Wolfsburg. The rest is history. Morale of the story: Don't write players off just because you want to. Even though we've made some terrible mistakes in the transfer market in recent years, it doesn't mean we're bound to repeat them (regularly). Your level of panicking in all sorts of threads is astonishing. It's not your money we're wasting, btw. Have a little bit more faith in the powers to be - even though I share some of the scepticism. I've no doubt you could give me dozens of similar examples just like I could give you hundreds of examples on how the form path continued and it ended badly. Chelsea and especially under Mourinho have a history of not giving talented young players a chance. De Bruyne is one as Lukaku and Salah. They even would rather spend £35m on Drinkwater rather than give Loftus-Cheek a chance. I'd bet you'd be hard pressed to find any Chelsea fans saying De Bruyne was crap were as I could find hundreds of quotes from Man Utd, Sunderland and Dortmund fans slating Januzaj. It pisses me off that I can call our bad signings even before they arrive whereas our scouting team don't have such a good a record. We're a club that can attract any player in the world outside a few hundred. There is no need to be buying players who have failed for half a decade and cost good money. Last week we had a tentative link with LeonBailey for £35m. Whilst I appreciate it's not as simple as just paying it but he offers infinitely more value with minimal risk to boot.
Babylon Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 16 minutes ago, kingfox said: Januzaj is the type of player who has obvious talent but rarely shows it, signing him would be underwhelming, I'd prefer others. As to those saying a new winger isn't a must, I've said some deluded shit in the past but saying we don't need a winger beats it. He'll fit right in here then. 4
HankMarvin Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 30 minutes ago, RoyFox said: La Liga is a good standard, he also showed up when getting an assist and MOTM during the 3-0 hiding of Atletico Madrid. Of course there is risk, but the lads only 23 and has shown real progression in the last year. Lots of players from the premier league that have struggled here, have gone on to have good careers in la liga, what about vice Versa not players that where already good in la liga anyway
MC Prussian Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 1 hour ago, dylanlegend said: To compare De Bruyne to Januzaj is embarrassing. Every knew KDB was going to be quality and his stats backed it up. What has anyone seen in Januzaj to suggest he'll be another other than bang average? Why is it embarrassing? Did you know De Bruyne would be the kind of superstar when he was still at Genk or following his failed stint at Chelsea? Give me a break. At the time of his loan to Werder Bremen, he was an unknown quantity and didn't have the desired impact at Chelsea. The only difference is that Januzaj went straight to Manchester United's youth academy in the beginning, whereas De Bruyne stayed in Belgium for a while. Even if Januzaj potentially won't turn out to be of the same high quality as De Bruyne now is, he'd be an addition worth considering.
StriderHiryu Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 Surprised there are so many negative comments on this one. The player is far from the finished article but in terms of sheer technical quality is as good as there is. He’s had a few false starts at big clubs which hindered his growth but he’s repairing his reputation with each season that’s passes. A player like this is the sort of person that as a club we need to look at - a youngish player with ability but who needs to play for a mid table club to prove they can move to the big boys. Someone with something to prove and the technical ability to give him a chance to do it. Puel has a good track record with developing young players so someone like this could do well for us. Definitely not a proven player and not guaranteed to make an impact but the sort of player someone will take a punt on that could massively pay off. Concerns around his attitude are merited but there’s been plenty of cases of players who turned it round after maturing as a person. 1
dylanlegend Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 8 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: Why is it embarrassing? Did you know De Bruyne would be the kind of superstar when he was still at Genk or following his failed stint at Chelsea? Give me a break. At the time of his loan to Werder Bremen, he was an unknown quantity and didn't have the desired impact at Chelsea. The only difference is that Januzaj went straight to Manchester United's youth academy in the beginning, whereas De Bruyne stayed in Belgium for a while. Even if Januzaj potentially won't turn out to be of the same high quality as De Bruyne now is, he'd be an addition worth considering. Everyone knew KDB would be world class. Same as Hazard, Neymar, Lukaku etc etc. These players were a class above even at youth level... they were talked about for years before they hit the big time Januzaj on the other hand.....
ARM1968 Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 Would not be distraught by signing this guy, just not overly excited either. A bit meh.
sdb Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 Personally never rated him much. More excited by the other creative players we’ve been linked to today.
MC Prussian Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, dylanlegend said: Everyone knew KDB would be world class. Same as Hazard, Neymar, Lukaku etc etc. These players were a class above even at youth level... they were talked about for years before they hit the big time Januzaj on the other hand..... Okay then. If you say so. Mourinho clearly thought otherwise back in 2013/2014. Just because youth players are "talked about for years before they hit the big time", doesn't mean they'll all make it. This is hyping up players beyond belief. Januzaj was praised for his efforts under Moyes and was one of the few bright lights during that managerial spell. The appointment of Van Gaal put a halt to that. Edited 2 August 2018 by MC Prussian 1
Foxymcoxy Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 Just now, MC Prussian said: Okay then. If you say so. Mourinho clearly thought otherwise back in 2013/2014. He was quite heavily derided for letting those players go but to be fair he had several other world class prospects and 10000 players out on loan already.
MC Prussian Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 2 minutes ago, Foxymcoxy said: He was quite heavily derided for letting those players go but to be fair he had several other world class prospects and 10000 players out on loan already. He still let him go.
dannythefox Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 About time we bought some top quality in. Some shite names about at the minute players who are no better than what we have.
Foxymcoxy Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 3 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: He still let him go. Mate it's Mourinho and Chelsea, you think he had the patience to wait for or help the player develop? Probably fully expected to be out of the job by the time KDB was world class. Either that or he knew he'd be class but wanted someone more "solid" for his current system (think it was Oscar at the time) and couldn't imagine that changing.
dylanlegend Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 9 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: He still let him go. To be fair I don't think Mourinho wanted to sell any of them, it was out of his hands
RumbleFox Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 (edited) I genuinely have no idea whether he is good or not. I remember him coming onto the scene at Utd and everyone thinking he was gonna be the next Ronaldo then he kind of failed to deliver and was a bit shit at Sunderland then for all I knew he had given up football until I saw him at the World Cup. He's still only 23 which is a great age and he must have something? I don't know, I really don't know. I am less clued up about this than I am on what it feel like to kiss a real life woman. X Edited 2 August 2018 by RumbleFox
Foxymcoxy Posted 2 August 2018 Posted 2 August 2018 Always thought he was severely overrated and quite average, but I haven't watched him this past season so I'm open to the idea of him being better now.
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