Maguire and Vardy

[whoareyaaa]

15 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Yeah, imagine them getting it at a crucial time for the company.

So if they get injured due to not being fully rested and prepared for a game we are not expected to win and end up on the side lines for the next 10 games.

 

Good logic mate.

 

the terms coders block and over burn come to mind.

Edited 4 August 2018 by whoareyaaa

[volpeazzurro]

3 hours ago, Ian Nacho said:

I understand but players work 6 days a week most weeks, sometimes they go away completely to a different country for a while. Don't get to spend Christmas with their family at all not even for a few hours. 

I appreciate that but the others work shifts as well remember and possibly longer hours over that week, six days or not. Also, their  extended hours are not necessarily planned and many is a time plans that have been organised for months are cancelled without notice as I have friends in all of those professions.  Also, there's an element of risk to their personal safety let's not forget in some circumstances (more risky than the injuries sustained during a Neymar dive ?). Footballers don't have to be footballers and they earn more in one week than some of those others do in a year!  For that reason alone they should put up and shut up in what is a relatively short career. If they chose to spend some of their allotted and rightfully granted summer leave playing at the World Cup that is entirley their choice, and who, realistically would turn such an honourable and fantastic opportunity down! However, it's their clubs that pay them and give them their living lest not forget. With the exception of injury, three weeks off is more than ample in the circumstances.Just in my opinion of course.

 

It would appear that Degea, Lukaku, Jones, Rashford et al are back in training at old Trafford  (don't think Felaini or Young are yet though and I believe Lingard has spent some of his leave doing extra training in the US! Unless Vardy or Maguire are carrying injuries then should they be back and teaining also.

[brucey]

2 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

If they chose to spend some of their allotted and rightfully granted summer leave playing at the World Cup that is entirley their choice, and who, realistically would turn such an honourable and fantastic opportunity down! However, it's their clubs that pay them and give them their living lest not forget.

The World Cup is work. They can't really turn down a call up unless they want to be assassinated in the papers. FIFA pays the clubs compensation to cover for the WC players wages, so you could say FIFA are actually their employers for that time.

[Old Fox]

7 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

I appreciate that but the others work shifts as well remember and possibly longer hours over that week, six days or not. Also, their  extended hours are not necessarily planned and many is a time plans that have been organised for months are cancelled without notice as I have friends in all of those professions.  Also, there's an element of risk to their personal safety let's not forget in some circumstances (more risky than the injuries sustained during a Neymar dive ?). Footballers don't have to be footballers and they earn more in one week than some of those others do in a year!  For that reason alone they should put up and shut up in what is a relatively short career. If they chose to spend some of their allotted and rightfully granted summer leave playing at the World Cup that is entirley their choice, and who, realistically would turn such an honourable and fantastic opportunity down! However, it's their clubs that pay them and give them their living lest not forget. With the exception of injury, three weeks off is more than ample in the circumstances.Just in my opinion of course.

 

It would appear that Degea, Lukaku, Jones, Rashford et al are back in training at old Trafford  (don't think Felaini or Young are yet though and I believe Lingard has spent some of his leave doing extra training in the US! Unless Vardy or Maguire are carrying injuries then should they be back and teaining also.

Because Mourinho has made a fuss and players are frightened of not returning!

 

As far as I am concerned they need a rest physically and mentally whilst we will definitely miss them I would prefer them back 100% refreshed, fit and charged to play the whole remainder of the season rather than being injured or jaded in the winter.

 

 

[volpeazzurro]

2 minutes ago, brucey said:

The World Cup is work. They can't really turn down a call up unless they want to be assassinated in the papers. FIFA pays the clubs compensation to cover for the WC players wages, so you could say FIFA are actually their employers for that time.

Yes, you are quite right it is work and yes  the club do get a certain amount of compensation,  whether that would be enough if one of the club assets got injured or not is debatable of course. Also, if one of ours was crocked it may have bigger ramifications than say a team like United who have more quality in depth.  I am of course also looking at it from a club angle and possibly a very selfish angle of personally being far more interested in Leicester City than England. Three weeks off work is still a very decent and ample rest period bearing in mind it's their job and responsibility to keep relatively fit during that time off.

[southfox66]

If Vardy played Friday would probably injure himself and be out for two months so better to rest him, I think Maguire could play no problem, but clearly something all clubs factored for. Could be worse Man utd could have 10 quality players available, at least this way we have an outside chance of a draw. 

Edited 4 August 2018 by southfox66

[volpeazzurro]

8 minutes ago, Old Fox said:

Because Mourinho has made a fuss and players are frightened of not returning!

 

As far as I am concerned they need a rest physically and mentally whilst we will definitely miss them I would prefer them back 100% refreshed, fit and charged to play the whole remainder of the season rather than being injured or jaded in the winter.

 

 

So they should be frightened!  They are paid to play for one of the biggest clubs in Europe, if they don't like it and they dont look after themselves appropriately they'll get dumped and quite rightly. If they're not mentally refreshed after 3 weeks then they're a bunch of half wits, there's a lot of people with more stressful jobs than their''s expected to perform on a lot less. Injury, as I say, is a different matter. If after 3 weeks they are still jaded then I suggest that they've been burning the candle at both ends too much and again we come into that area where, even whilst on leave, for their wages and occupational demands, it's their job to look after themselves. 

[volpeazzurro]

10 minutes ago, southfox66 said:

If Vardy played Friday would probably injure himself and be out for two months so better to rest him, I think Maguire could play no problem, but clearly something all clubs factored for. Could be worse Man utd could have 10 quality players available, at least this way we have an outside chance of a draw. 

 

My guess is that United will field 11 quality players.

[WigstonWanderer]

3 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

So if they get injured due to not being fully rested and prepared for a game we are not expected to win and end up on the side lines for the next 10 games.

 

Good logic mate.

 

the terms coders block and over burn come to mind.

 

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I’m not suggesting that if they come back on Monday they should start against Manu on Friday in an unfit condition. Neither am I saying that the club should have bullied them in some way to get them back earlier. I’m saying that fully committed players might have sacrificed 1 week of a mandatory 3 week vacation to come back last Monday to get fit in time for the match.

 

These aren’t (or shouldn’t be) some jobsworths on some sort of work to rule. Anyone would think I was suggesting they spend a week in a concentration camp. Jeez!

 

Edited 4 August 2018 by WigstonWanderer

[sylofox]

On ‎03‎/‎08‎/‎2018 at 12:17, Rob1742 said:

I agree. I am questioning why you would prefer to go to Ibiza or play in the Premier League.

 

Yes it will be written into agreements, but surely who would want to be sitting at home watching the game on TV, when you had the chance not to go on holiday and actually play in the match.

 

I would give up three weeks holiday anywhere at any cost to be able to play in the Man U game 

I'd give weller54's right testicul to play in any game for City  

[Mehrez]

I hope to god they never get sight of this thread

[Livid]

Maguire is currently at Bramall Lane watching Sheffield United, at least he's in the country. 

[mydogzonfire]

More to the point, neither have been involved with the team training and development of tactical understanding which has as much of an impact on 'readiness' as fitness. Therefore not ready to play yet.

Edited 4 August 2018 by mydogzonfire

[southfox66]

8 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

My guess is that United will field 11 quality players.

My point is they will  have more of their normal team not playing Friday than we will. 

[HighPeakFox]

Here's a thought. The loss of Mahrez, as well as the delayed return of Maguire & Vardy, could well turn out to be the making of our future. We stop relying on a mercurial wizard, Vardy has competition/a sparring partner, Maguire's absence either makes or breaks Morgan for good, EVERYONE takes more responsibility and a better team/squad ethic returns.

 

5,000/1 again? Lump on

[Rob1742]

8 hours ago, Mehrez said:

I hope to god they never get sight of this thread

Maybe if they do, they will realise what they are missing out on.

 

When they are 40 and nobodies they will regret their decision 

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, southfox66 said:

My point is they will  have more of their normal team not playing Friday than we will. 

Apparently DeGea, Lukaku, Jones,Matic etc are all there. The only one's allegedly not back were Lingard and Fellaini. So, no great 1st team disruption there then?

[brucey]

20 minutes ago, Rob1742 said:

Maybe if they do, they will realise what they are missing out on.

 

When they are 40 and nobodies they will regret their decision 

It's not like playing at Old Trafford is this amazing once in a lifetime opportunity for them. They've already played there multiple times and will play there again a few more times in the future.

[Merging Cultures]

It's worth repeating.

 

They have had three weeks off. Which is great. They'll have been able to rest and relax with family and friends. Prior to that, they were training and playing with England. I don't think they will have lost much fitness in the weeks, so they should be ready for Man U, because 1. They've had a rest, and 2. They've been keeping fit during the world cup.

 

I can understand that if they'd have had two months off, boozing and doing nothing, that they'd need time to get up to speed, but they haven't. It's been just three weeks, they will still be fit enough - and certainly better options than Benny and Slimani.

 

If Vardy's groin is still an issue, that's a different matter. Plus, with Iheanacho's preseaon form, I might be tempted to play him ahead of Vardy anyway, at the moment. It's good to have competition - not saying we should drop Vardy. Plus, I think Vardy has a positive attitude about helping youngsters, so I'm sure he'd be encouraging Iheanacho.

[Corky]

On 03/08/2018 at 10:54, Rob1742 said:

So they go to the World Cup, then decide to go on a holiday rather than prepare and play v Manchester United at Old Trafford.

 

What normal person would prefer to go to Ibiza or wherever they go rather than play in the Premier League.

 

Its not as if they didn’t have a holiday, Maguire was in Greece before the World Cup.

 

 

 

They are entitled to five weeks annual leave, two weeks before and three weeks after the World Cup. They'll be in the squad and probably Maguire will start.

 

Haven't we got enough players to slag off without getting at these two for an allowed and justified break?

[urban.spaceman]

Walker & Stones in the starting line-up for Man City. Yeah I know it's just hyped pre-season friendly. Would have liked to see Maguire and Vardy able to return as quick. 

[Shane]

I think we can live without Vardy against Man Utd as Iheanacho looks sharp. 

 

It’s Maguire we desperately need. Having him back means we won’t have to resort to playing Benalouane or the inexperienced Johnson. 

 

And it would be good to see Maguire & Evans (who’s injury is not that serious) play together. 

[les-tah]

21 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Walker & Stones in the starting line-up for Man City. Yeah I know it's just hyped pre-season friendly. Would have liked to see Maguire and Vardy able to return as quick. 

This is pretty f**ckin annoying tbf .. if they are playing today you know full well they will be come the season.

 

A number of people on here were critical of people saying they should be back but now the god that is Pep has done it it’s probably ok now. 

 

[Fosse93]

Thing is... if Maguire is OK to play and Evans is passed fit, don't you think it's a risk by starting a centre back pairing who haven't played together before?

 

I don't know if it would be better going with a Morgan/Maguire pairing for this one.

Edited 5 August 2018 by Fosse93

[Shefffox2]

 Seeing as Stones has started for Man city at Wembley today, and been away same time as Harry, why if Evans is not fit ,  why can't he play, if needs must?