VAR to be used in PL from 2019

[Haywood_6]

I'm fully behind it, will get more decisions right than wrong.

 

And less favouritism to the top 6 

 

[Max Wall]

30 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

I'm fully behind it, will get more decisions right than wrong.

 

And less favouritism to the top 6 

 

Will lead to harder to expose favouritism for the top 6*

 

Actually, I do agree with you though, despite my flippant comment above. It should result in less biased decisions.

In addition, refs are human and, despite being professionally employed, they all must have been swayed by crowd noise and reaction in their careers at some point. We've all seen games where the ref 'appears' to be a homer. Once the immediate emotion of the incident is taken out of the equation, the correct decision should prevail in almost every situation.

[treer]

Good chance we can finally beat Arsenal next season

[Corky]

3 minutes ago, treer said:

Good chance we can finally beat Arsenal next season

What about last season?

[treer]

does not count, nothing to play for

[RutlanderFox]

I can’t believe it’s not already been put in tbh. I’m 1000000% in favour of VAR and can’t understand why others aren’t!

 

Every time it got it wrong (which was less than how often it got it right by the way) it was a handball decision. In this scenario the handball rule and interpretation of this rule is the problem, not the system and screens that are displaying the incident! The lack of clarity on the handball rule has been an issue for years now (refs don’t seem to 100% know what they’re doing with it and seem to have differing and inconsistent opinions). All VAR has done has highlighted this issue as it has been bought to our attention how the referees deal with these incidents when watching slow motion, all angles replays on a TV screen rather than having to (sometimes) guess in real time. 

 

And for for those who say it slows the game down, it’s not every decision, throwin, corner etc. that it’s being used for, just the key game changing ones which need to be right. We’d all rather have the right decisions made surely and if you say no to that then wait until one goes against Leicester next weekend and see whether you still think that. As we’ve seen the ref doesn’t go over to the monitor every time, only when it really needs to be looked at and nearly every time the ref went over his decision was changed. It was basically him having a word in his ear of “you’ve screwed up here” and that’s his cue to change it, with going over to the screen being just a formality.

 

Another issue last season, which I thought was a major sticking point, was if assistants put their flags up when the player was actually onside then they could be denying a potential goal. This was resolved by instructing assistants to keep their flags down with tight calls. The lack of communication in stadiums has also been partly resolved with messages of “VAR check” on the big screens. This tells us that if there are issues they are being resolved and that patience really is a virtue with this. It was a success at the World Cup, as I say excluding handball decisions which isn’t the fault of VAR, so give it time and it’s only going to improve.

[Max Wall]

1 minute ago, treer said:

does not count, nothing to play for

Is that true?

Did the last home game of the 2015/16 season against Everton not count either? Gutted if it didn't, I quite enjoyed it.

[Lambert09]

It's lucky we've moved on from Wasyl and Huth 

[Wymsey]

Less advantage for Man United and Tottenham, then.

[ScouseFox]

my only issue with it, like i said in the world cup thread, is the slow motion replays. every tackle looks wreckless and dangerous in slow motion. every handball looks deliberate or like he could’ve got out the way. 

 

the slow motion replays almost warp reality and end up showing us something that basically didn’t happen in real life. that’s why the penalty was given in the world cup final, and if it is going to go wrong there you’d bet it’s going to go wrong when we play cardiff or something when nobody is even watching. 

[Fox92]

It'll be shit when last minute goals need VAR to decide it. Imagine full on going mental just for the ref to blow and say hang on lads just gotta check this one.

[KingsX]

 

Practically a no-brainer.

 

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[fuchsntf]

4 hours ago, lgfualol said:

Finally. Refs can't ruin games as easily now.

No they are going to give it a damn good go,with VaR..

I am 100% by Var,but don't expect perfection.

Interpretation,angles,perspectives will still see decisions that arent  spot on!!!

for me it's to get  more and an high % of decisions right. And not be immature,when a low % just doesn't go right.

individual moments will still have their doubts and maybe errors..However .It will be better than now!!

Edited 15 November 2018 by fuchsntf

[Kitchandro]

6 hours ago, m4DD0gg said:

Fantastic news. Top 6 are screwed haha

Tell it to France.

 

Can't believe people are forgetting VAR has been used to incorrectly benefit the big boys. The World Cup final was a complete farce. If anything this makes it easier to fix it in the top 6's favour. They can review anything they like, when it suits them. It will not be used consistently as it hasn't been in any of the trials so far.

 

And for every decision that is correctly overturned, another will be incorrectly overturned, as has been proved in the trials so far. And that's much worse and open to much more dishonesty than heat of the moment decisions. It's very convenient for referees to have a second opportunity to make a decision in favour of a certain team, especially when they can pick and choose which one they are most likely to get away with.

 

Handballs are clearly a big problem with this system, they slow the footage time and watch it multiple times which is a totally inaccurate representation of the incident which often happens very quickly. This is crucial considering handball HAS to be deliberate, and even referees do not appear to understand this, let alone pundits. Also, 'a clear and obvious error' is such a vague bullshit term that can be interpreted and spun any way you like.

 

Referees will always get things hopelessly wrong, they are shite and the World Cup proved that with help they are even more shite. I predict people will get very, very sick of VAR when their team isn't getting decisions reviewed as much as others are, and it will only heighten controversy.

 

Besides, I don't want the once great sport of football being all about watching some balding creep watching a screen for 5 minutes whilst he makes up his mind. It's crap.

[Super_horns]

Yes I can see handball being an issue as the WC final proved .

 

Unless it's clear and obvious that is a subjective area. 

 

We will see really bad errors cut out - for example our game last week would have had a penalty for us and a goal for Southampton..

 

BTW are England not a big boy as it certainly didn't help us!!

 

 

Edited 15 November 2018 by Super_horns

[Max Wall]

11 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

Tell it to France.

 

Can't believe people are forgetting VAR has been used to incorrectly benefit the big boys. The World Cup final was a complete farce. If anything this makes it easier to fix it in the top 6's favour. They can review anything they like, when it suits them. It will not be used consistently as it hasn't been in any of the trials so far.

 

And for every decision that is correctly overturned, another will be incorrectly overturned, as has been proved in the trials so far. And that's much worse and open to much more dishonesty than heat of the moment decisions. It's very convenient for referees to have a second opportunity to make a decision in favour of a certain team, especially when they can pick and choose which one they are most likely to get away with.

 

Handballs are clearly a big problem with this system, they slow the footage time and watch it multiple times which is a totally inaccurate representation of the incident which often happens very quickly. This is crucial considering handball HAS to be deliberate, and even referees do not appear to understand this, let alone pundits. Also, 'a clear and obvious error' is such a vague bullshit term that can be interpreted and spun any way you like.

 

Referees will always get things hopelessly wrong, they are shite and the World Cup proved that with help they are even more shite. I predict people will get very, very sick of VAR when their team isn't getting decisions reviewed as much as others are, and it will only heighten controversy.

 

Besides, I don't want the once great sport of football being all about watching some balding creep watching a screen for 5 minutes whilst he makes up his mind. It's crap.

I've genuinely missed you Kitch.

[norwichfox]

6 minutes ago, Max Wall said:

I've genuinely missed you Kitch.

I'll never sing that....

[Adster]

7 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Call me old fashioned but I don't want VAR.

 

Football is a fast paced game. VAR will slow the game right down and it's shown in the past that it isn't always accurate. Even in the World Cup final there was a dodgy hand ball.

 

I wouldn't mind a 'challenge' system that is similar to Tennis in that teams get to challenge a decision. But even that would have to be refined.

 

You just know that the Premier League will not introduce this smoothly, despite giving themselves 9 months of time to get it nailed.

 

Yawn.....

 

It might not be perfect. But it is needed ASAP. The decisions are getting worse as the pace of the game is getting faster. They need help. 

 

Might not be perfect at the start. But at least introducing it will allow them to view the issues quicker so they can be ironed out. 

[Devonfox1884]

Purely on the basis that in our last 4 games alone we could conceivably have had 3 penalties and 1 red card in our favour that we didn’t get if VAR was in use, I say bring it in.

 

Obviously it’ll be swings and roundabouts, and no doubt it won’t be perfect, but it has to improve the current shambolic standard of officiating, right?

Edited 16 November 2018 by Devonfox1884

[trabuch]

VAR will benefit the less fashionable clubs - I expect. Actually, come to think of it - it will probably make eff all difference and the European Super League clubs will still get the decisions. 

[trabuch]

2 hours ago, Kitchandro said:

Tell it to France.

 

Can't believe people are forgetting VAR has been used to incorrectly benefit the big boys. The World Cup final was a complete farce. If anything this makes it easier to fix it in the top 6's favour. They can review anything they like, when it suits them. It will not be used consistently as it hasn't been in any of the trials so far.

 

And for every decision that is correctly overturned, another will be incorrectly overturned, as has been proved in the trials so far. And that's much worse and open to much more dishonesty than heat of the moment decisions. It's very convenient for referees to have a second opportunity to make a decision in favour of a certain team, especially when they can pick and choose which one they are most likely to get away with.

 

Handballs are clearly a big problem with this system, they slow the footage time and watch it multiple times which is a totally inaccurate representation of the incident which often happens very quickly. This is crucial considering handball HAS to be deliberate, and even referees do not appear to understand this, let alone pundits. Also, 'a clear and obvious error' is such a vague bullshit term that can be interpreted and spun any way you like.

 

Referees will always get things hopelessly wrong, they are shite and the World Cup proved that with help they are even more shite. I predict people will get very, very sick of VAR when their team isn't getting decisions reviewed as much as others are, and it will only heighten controversy.

 

Besides, I don't want the once great sport of football being all about watching some balding creep watching a screen for 5 minutes whilst he makes up his mind. It's crap.

I baldly agree. 

[Jattdogg]

10 hours ago, ttfn said:

I’m curious as to how they’re going to make it work.

 

Part of the reason it was such a huge success at the World Cup was that you had a maximum of 2 games going on at the same time. As such it was possible to have 5-6 highly qualified referees collectively watching several angles of major incidents and giving good information to the referee on the pitch.

 

How is it going to work if there are 6 games on at 3pm on a Saturday? They surely can’t have 30 referees in a studio watching all the different games. And if they do, I can’t imagine the quality will be particularly high.

Clearly the prem teams can afford to shell out 250k for scudamore,  surely they can pay that for an extra ref each game lol.

Edited 16 November 2018 by Jattdogg

[urban.spaceman]

I’m all for it. 

[Lambert09]

4 hours ago, Super_horns said:

Yes I can see handball being an issue as the WC final proved .

 

Unless it's clear and obvious that is a subjective area. 

 

We will see really bad errors cut out - for example our game last week would have had a penalty for us and a goal for Southampton..

 

BTW are England not a big boy as it certainly didn't help us!!

 

 

Actually Burnley would have had a free kick for offside. We were lucky to get a corner 

[MadKaw]

We're into our 2nd season with VAR over here in Aus and like most, I thought it would be better than the sh!t refereeing we had.

Unfortunately, it just moved the sh!t referees into room with a TV.

 

At first we thought it was just teething issues and would improve, it hasn't...

Don't like it......

 

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/mark-bosnich-launches-impassioned-var-plea-after-sydney-derby-drama/news-story/91a70a9d89c93e54b32d44a8327d437d