Puel 'Facing the sack' - reports

[lanefox]

31 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

We lost due to another 25yrd screamer and their keeper playing a blinder that's it, why does everything need to be dissected and Puel blamed, we created and had enough shots on target to win a couple of premiership games it's fine margins. We knew what we were up against when Palace had 31 shots against them but only drew.

 

This 

[VLC86]

33 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

We lost due to another 25yrd screamer and their keeper playing a blinder that's it, why does everything need to be dissected and Puel blamed, we created and had enough shots on target to win a couple of premiership games it's fine margins. We knew what we were up against when Palace had 31 shots against them but only drew.

 

That last sentance is what worries me the most about the current set up. Everyone knew exactly what type of game it would be yet we set up with 2 DMs, 1 striker and subbed him off on the hour. That’s really poor.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

3 minutes ago, Foxaholic ME said:

We havent played in anything like the Europa league and most of the top clubs dont bother when they are in it .

Arsenal reached the UEL semi finals last year.

Manchester United won it the year before.

Liverpool were runners up the year before that.

Chelsea won it in 2013

 

Atletico Madrid won it last season and still finished 2nd in La Liga

Sevilla won it three times and their league position in those seasons were 5th, 5th and 7th.

 

But yeah, apart from that....

[NewquayFox]

This was a game screaming out for 2 strikers and feel Iheanacho would have benefited playing alongside Vardy picking up the bits, should have played a 4.4.2 with Maddison at the top of a diamond and Ricardo & Chilwell bombing on, Choudary at the base..

[Vacamion]

43 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

We lost due to another 25yrd screamer and their keeper playing a blinder that's it, why does everything need to be dissected and Puel blamed, we created and had enough shots on target to win a couple of premiership games it's fine margins. We knew what we were up against when Palace had 31 shots against them but only drew.

 

 

Spot on.

[Fox92]

45 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

We lost due to another 25yrd screamer and their keeper playing a blinder that's it, why does everything need to be dissected and Puel blamed, we created and had enough shots on target to win a couple of premiership games it's fine margins. We knew what we were up against when Palace had 31 shots against them but only drew.

 

I take the enough shots part, though I don't think we deserved to win the game, but 2 defensive midfielders at home to Cardiff isn't good enough.

[Foxaholic ME]

2 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Arsenal reached the UEL semi finals last year.

Manchester United won it the year before.

Liverpool were runners up the year before that.

Chelsea won it in 2013

 

Atletico Madrid won it last season and still finished 2nd in La Liga

Sevilla won it three times and their league position in those seasons were 5th, 5th and 7th.

 

But yeah, apart from that....

How many times have they played in it   and how many started in July as opposed to coming 3rd in the champion league group which you omitted to say so  whilst  open to contradiction think all examples are probablly invalid. or at least not comparable with finishing 7th like Burnley Southampton etc

[UpTheLeagueFox]

3 minutes ago, Foxaholic ME said:

How many times have they played in it   and how many started in July as opposed to coming 3rd in the champion league group which you omitted to say so  whilst  open to contradiction think all examples are probablly invalid. or at least not comparable with finishing 7th like Burnley Southampton etc

You said: "Most of the top clubs dont bother when they are in it."

You didn't ask for more detail.

 

Don't worry, we can still qualify for the UEL via the League Cup. No, wait...

[Matt]

43 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

So what would be the plan then? Get a manager in who is weak enough to bend to the will of existing staff? 

 

If we want a decent manager at the club it sounds like we need a clear out of the staff aswell. No good manager will be willing to take insubordination.

 

Puel is the one who takes the stick for how things go. I hate that our club cant keep things in house

Well I did mention this when we sacked Shakespeare.

 

Puel is the one getting all the stick, do I solely blame him? No, I've mention other people and general staff being culpable, i've said they've been culpable ever since we won the league and before that.

 

Do I blame Puel for our style and not getting the best out the players on a more consistant basis? 100%

 

I don't expect a manager to be weak enough to bend to the will of existing staff, infact the opposite, at times when there were (Laughable) claims Wes picked the team or the accusations of snakes I said well perhaps he should grow some bollocks and lay the law down, e.t.c. However I do expect a manager to listen to his staff and players, have open discussions with them, abit of give and take to their needs, ultimately he should make the final call though, now none us know if he does or doesn't do this, the claims being made by sources to the media or 'ITK's' seem to point towards him not doing it.

 

As I mentioned last week, he's gone through Appleton and Plancque, Macia, well it seems he's been coming and going for a while - not sure if that was the case pre-Puel, I can't remember. IMO it was clear Appleton and Puel didn't see eye to eye, Plancque leaving went very under the radar, infact his time here went very under the radar, tbh when I talk about staff it goes deeper than the assistant manager though and as you've said existing staff, how many other clubs hang on to staff from previous regimes? Surely that could be a reason for some much discontent, different people pulling in different directions causing unhappyness, people talking over each other. Genuine question because looking from the outside in at other clubs when a manager goes, they have a clear out.

 

[Sublime_Coatsworth]

28 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said:

That last sentance is what worries me the most about the current set up. Everyone knew exactly what type of game it would be yet we set up with 2 DMs, 1 striker and subbed him off on the hour. That’s really poor.

This.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

11 minutes ago, Matt said:

Well I did mention this when we sacked Shakespeare.

 

Puel is the one getting all the stick, do I solely blame him? No, I've mention other people and general staff being culpable, i've said they've been culpable ever since we won the league and before that.

 

Do I blame Puel for our style? 100%

 

I don't expect a manager to be weak enough to bend to the will of existing staff, infact the opposite, at times when there were (Laughable) claims Wes picked the team or the accusations of snakes I said well perhaps he should grow some bollocks and lay the law down, e.t.c. However I do expect a manager to listen to his staff and players, have open discussions with them, abit of give and take to their needs, ultimately he should make the final call though, now none us know if he does or doesn't do this, the claims being made by sources to the media or 'ITK's' seem to point towards him not doing it.

 

As I mentioned last week, he's gone through Appleton and Plancque, Macia, well it seems he's been coming and going for a while - not sure if that was the case pre-Puel, I can't remember. IMO it was clear Appleton and Puel didn't see eye to eye, Plancque leaving went very under the radar, infact his time here went very under the radar, tbh when I talk about staff it goes deeper than the assistant manager though and as you've said existing staff, how many other clubs hang on to staff from previous regimes? Surely that could be a reason for some much discontent, different people pulling in different directions causing unhappyness, people talking over each other. Genuine question because looking from the outside in at other clubs when a manager goes, they have a clear out.

 

Yes, seems we have something we agree on

Seems we are stuck between wanting to kick on to be a big club, yet maintaining this warm family vibe. Im not saying we cant do both, but maybe we need to be a bit colder if we really want to kick on

 

It seems there is a constant power struggle between management and staff, something has to give

[brucey]

We were lucky against Chelsea and unlucky against Cardiff so it evens out really. If anything, I’m more Puel in now as we’ve struggled for years to break down defensive teams and I’d like to see what he does with another summer window.

 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

19 minutes ago, Matt said:

IMO it was clear Appleton and Puel didn't see eye to eye

Almost as soon as Puel arrived, Appleton was sidelined. He went from assistant manager to someone who just does prep on future opposition. Puel wasn't talking to him by the end of the season and Appleton was sacked by a phone call when he was on honeymoon. Seemed to be liked in the dressing room so that didn't help things.

[Ceirboy]

24 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

Yes, seems we have something we agree on

Seems we are stuck between wanting to kick on to be a big club, yet maintaining this warm family vibe. Im not saying we cant do both, but maybe we need to be a bit colder if we really want to kick on

 

It seems there is a constant power struggle between management and staff, something has to give

That was all very David Brent! 

As Matt has suggested, the give and take, all for one ethos that used to be apparent has now gone and it’s one versus the rest now. 

I’m certainly not in the know but I occasionally talk to a guy who works very closely with the whole squad and it was just mentioned recently how the whole atmosphere has gone from the place. I don’t badger him for info and he doesn’t give it up freely either, it was spoken about when we were discussing workplace banter etc. 

Im  not sure what the answer is but I don’t think a shitty atmosphere will win the day for too long if I’m honest. 

[VLC86]

21 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Almost as soon as Puel arrived, Appleton was sidelined. He went from assistant manager to someone who just does prep on future opposition. Puel wasn't talking to him by the end of the season and Appleton was sacked by a phone call when he was on honeymoon. Seemed to be liked in the dressing room so that didn't help things.

If the assistant is being sacked though surely it isn’t the sole decision and job of the manager? Shambolic from all involved.

[Buce]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

I take the enough shots part, though I don't think we deserved to win the game, but 2 defensive midfielders at home to Cardiff isn't good enough.

 

Yet many are criticising him for dropping Hamza. 

 

For those with an agenda, he can’t win whatever he does. 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

18 minutes ago, Buce said:

For those with an agenda, he can’t win whatever he does. 

For those with an alternative agenda, he can't lose whatever he does.

[woznotwos]

I can't make my mind up from one minute to the next !! 

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, BKLFox said:

We lost due to another 25yrd screamer and their keeper playing a blinder that's it, why does everything need to be dissected and Puel blamed, we created and had enough shots on target to win a couple of premiership games it's fine margins. We knew what we were up against when Palace had 31 shots against them but only drew.

 

Not sure what the xg stuff showed but take 1 off for then pen and I bet it wasn’t too high. Apart from the pen, I don’t recall him making any saves that he shouldn’t have. We had shots but we weren’t getting properly in behind and carving them open.  had we been more attacking, then I would back us to score more than them in a more open game ..... the manager decided against this approach ..... I don’t think it’s in his locker. 

[BKLFox]

1 hour ago, Costock_Fox said:

That last sentance is what worries me the most about the current set up. Everyone knew exactly what type of game it would be yet we set up with 2 DMs, 1 striker and subbed him off on the hour. That’s really poor.

The trouble is we don't have enough AM, who could he have put in there and in what shape, Iborra? and say we got over run he's then knocked for that baring in mind Cardiff effectively had a 5 Man midfield.

Unlike Fox92 and Warnock I did think we did enough to win the game their keeper made 7 saves it's not like we only worked him the once, Wolves for instance had 4 shots on and scored 3 as I say on the day keeper played a blinder, we deserved the win more than when we played in Cardiff I'd say, swings and all that I guess.

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

58 minutes ago, Ceirboy said:

That was all very David Brent! 

As Matt has suggested, the give and take, all for one ethos that used to be apparent has now gone and it’s one versus the rest now. 

I’m certainly not in the know but I occasionally talk to a guy who works very closely with the whole squad and it was just mentioned recently how the whole atmosphere has gone from the place. I don’t badger him for info and he doesn’t give it up freely either, it was spoken about when we were discussing workplace banter etc. 

Im  not sure what the answer is but I don’t think a shitty atmosphere will win the day for too long if I’m honest. 

I suppose they need a boss who can motivate and be a great comedian at the same time eh?

 

[VLC86]

12 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

The trouble is we don't have enough AM, who could he have put in there and in what shape, Iborra? and say we got over run he's then knocked for that baring in mind Cardiff effectively had a 5 Man midfield.

Unlike Fox92 and Warnock I did think we did enough to win the game their keeper made 7 saves it's not like we only worked him the once, Wolves for instance had 4 shots on and scored 3 as I say on the day keeper played a blinder, we deserved the win more than when we played in Cardiff I'd say, swings and all that I guess.

Did the keeper really play a blinder? The saves were routine.

 

And I agree that we haven’t got the AMs to play next to him, it’s almost like Puel hasn’t had a chance to put his stamp on the team.

[Buce]

27 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

For those with an alternative agenda, he can't lose whatever he does.

 

Would make more of an argument if you hadn't have been one of those criticising him for making changes.

[Ceirboy]

Just now, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said:

I suppose they need a boss who can motivate and be a great comedian at the same time eh?

 

I don’t think the need to be a comedian is necessary, no , but the ability to communicate on different levels would be a start I reckon. I’m neither an in or out, so it doesn’t matter to me really but I’d have thought that the ability to change ones hat when dealing with different types of people would have been considered an inherent part of a successful Managers job. 

[TMELcfc]

Wow a team pressing high up the pitch score goal (Southampton)

Wonder when we will ever do that again (let alone close down long range efforts)