Simple Question : Harry

[Dahnsouff]

We had to sell Harry to keep/fund Youri - would you?

[mancunianfox]

If we sold Maguire we could replace him without going into the market. If we don't keep Youri we would almost certainly have to buy a player in that position. Looking at a £40m for fee for Tielemans and £55m for Maguire it pretty much gives two scenarios:

 

Tielemans + £15m profit + Benkovic (No Maguire)

Maguire + New signing (No Tielemans and minus about £25 million). 

 

I think the first puts us in a much better position.

[Suzie the Fox]

1 minute ago, mancunianfox said:

If we sold Maguire we could replace him without going into the market. If we don't keep Youri we would almost certainly have to buy a player in that position. Looking at a £40m for fee for Tielemans and £55m for Maguire it pretty much gives two scenarios:

 

Tielemans + £15m profit + Benkovic (No Maguire)

Maguire + New signing (No Tielemans and minus about £25 million). 

 

I think the first puts us in a much better position.

Not forgetting we would sell Silva which would also give us more £££ or even as small bargaining tool to reduce the price of Tielemans. 

[Crinklyfox]

No unless he wants to go.

 

Tielemans is brilliant and I want him in our club.  But many of us demand loyalty from our players and give them hell when they don't display it (Mahrez).  So unless we're fully embracing double standards we shouldn't be selling a decent player who wants to stay.

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, Crinklyfox said:

No unless he wants to go.

 

Tielemans is brilliant and I want him in our club.  But many of us demand loyalty from our players and give them hell when they don't display it (Mahrez).  So unless we're fully embracing double standards we shouldn't be selling a decent player who wants to stay.

Not sure loyalty comes into this situation. If he wants to go + we want him to go  for the money (for alternate personnel) then its a win/win arguably.

No emotional element to the decision in this case. (Really not convinced anyone would stump up the required cash anyway, think we are kidding ourselves personally)

[Captain...]

He’s contracted to 2023.

 

I wouldn’t sell this summer unless a stupid offer came in £50m+.

 

Without Maguire we go into next season with 2 young inexperienced centre halves and 2 that are past their prime and are going to decline and probably a new signing. A season of Maguire, Benkovic first choice, Soyuncu (on loan first half of the season pushing for a place second half) with Morgan and Evans as back up looks good to me. I would also like to see us use 3 at the back again or at least have the option.

 

Then see where we are next summer, Maguire will still have 3 years left on his contract so the ball is in our court and we will know if Benkovic and Soyuncu are ready to step up or if Evans or Morgan still have another season in them.

 

 

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, Crinklyfox said:

No unless he wants to go.

 

Tielemans is brilliant and I want him in our club.  But many of us demand loyalty from our players and give them hell when they don't display it (Mahrez).  So unless we're fully embracing double standards we shouldn't be selling a decent player who wants to stay.

If Man U come in for him, or any other big club he won't want to stay. So don't worry about that

[Captain...]

I don’t think we would be relying on selling Harry to bring in Youri, Silva is doing well at Monaco, we have other sellable assets and we are not poor and look set to earn £129m £10m more than last season.

 

Obviously some has gone on Rodgers and paying off Puel, but we have some high earners that will leave and hopefully boosted with a few sales. If we’re talking £40m for Youri we have the means without selling. It is just a case of if he will come with apparent interest from Man U and other champions league clubs.

[ealingfox]

We're getting to the point where I'd consider selling one of my organs to keep Youri.

[foxfanazer]

It's a yes from me. Youri looks like he could be such an important player for us. I like Maguire but he's been doggo this season so if we could get a good fee for him I'd take it

[Xen]

If we need to sell players to allow us to buy Youri (+ other options like a striker), then I think Maguire is the most expendable. That's not to say I don't rate Maguire - I think he's fantastic - but the fact is he's the player who'd bring in the most money whilst costing the least to (reasonably) replace.

 

We wouldn't have to spend a penny to replace him if we stick with 4 at the back as our main four options would be JE/WM/FB/CS, and if we want to play 3atb we could replace him with a new squad player for cheaper (or youth). We could then bring in YT and still potentially have leftover funds for a striker like Adams, for instance.

 

The only other big-money player rumoured to be sold is Chilwell, but we already need a new backup LB so selling our first choice player as well could end up costing us a lot in replacements.

[Izzy]

Ealing Fox beat me to it 

[norwichfox]

27 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

We're getting to the point where I'd consider selling one of my organs to keep Youri.

Wurlitzer or Hammond?

[mozartfox]

29 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

We're getting to the point where I'd consider selling one of my organs to keep Youri.

Hammond or Farfisa?

[mozartfox]

2 minutes ago, norwichfox said:

Wurlitzer or Hammond?

We are both Childish

[SirFox]

Was unsure until Bournemouth, but Wes and Evans barely put a foot wrong.

 

With Benko and Soy waiting in the wings, I genuinely don't think we'd even miss Harry, great guy and defender though he is.

[Countryfox]

Keep our best players if we want to break into the top 6 ...   so its a big  NO from me ...   

[Stuntman_Mike]

Who says we need to sell to buy ?

 

I don't see the link between the two, especially as it's not a like for like position wise.

 

[Cheesemaker22]

Definitely, Benkovic and Evans next season with Soyuncu and Morgan as back-up looks good to me. A more difficult question would be if we were willing to sell Chilwell to keep Tielemans. 

[walkerleeds]

In terms of value to the starting XI then it's a no brainer isn't it. Obviously you'd have Tielemans over Maguire if it came down to it. 

 

As much as I like Maguire and want him to stay, I can't help but feel his head might have been turned by Man Utd (if a deal hasn't already been agreed)

 

[HighPeakFox]

Never sell a Hammond. Especially if Jon Lord is playing it (Leicester connection, kids) 

 

 

 

[Nicolo Barella]

1 hour ago, Captain... said:

He’s contracted to 2023.

 

I wouldn’t sell this summer unless a stupid offer came in £50m+.

 

Without Maguire we go into next season with 2 young inexperienced centre halves and 2 that are past their prime and are going to decline and probably a new signing. A season of Maguire, Benkovic first choice, Soyuncu (on loan first half of the season pushing for a place second half) with Morgan and Evans as back up looks good to me. I would also like to see us use 3 at the back again or at least have the option.

 

Then see where we are next summer, Maguire will still have 3 years left on his contract so the ball is in our court and we will know if Benkovic and Soyuncu are ready to step up or if Evans or Morgan still have another season in them.

 

 

Evans has been our best CB defensively this season, and having two young and inexperienced CBs won't be much different to having Maguire in terms of defense as Maguire is  mistake-prone. I don't think losing Maguire would hurt us that much. Evans would really help blooding in Soyuncu and Benkovic. 

[Dahnsouff]

8 minutes ago, Stuntman_Mike said:

Who says we need to sell to buy ?

 

I don't see the link between the two, especially as it's not a like for like position wise.

 

This is the salient point, we don`t know (well, I don't anyway!) IF we need to sell to finance a deal for Tielemans, but I assuming we do, perhaps due to the training ground.

Then if the time to start bedding in a replacement for Vardy is now, then a sale may well be required.

[Captain...]

4 minutes ago, Nicolo Barella said:

Evans has been our best CB defensively this season, and having two young and inexperienced CBs won't be much different to having Maguire in terms of defense as Maguire is  mistake-prone. I don't think losing Maguire would hurt us that much. Evans would really help blooding in Soyuncu and Benkovic. 

It’s still a risk, I admit I forgot how young Evans is, feels like he has been round for ages so I assume he’s 35. 

 

I still think 2 untried CBs, Wes (who I love, but is on the decline) and Evans leaves us short. Selling Maguire to fund Youri would also mean needing to buy a replacement for Maguire. We would need to buy someone with PL experience, eg Alfie Mawson from Fulham, that’ll be a big chunk of any Maguire money. We should be flogging reserve players before first teamers. If we are buying Youri we will also be looking at reducing further our midfield options. We need to decide on King, James and maybe even Mendy. Mendy probably has the highest value and we have Hamza as a ready made replacement.

 

We also need to consider what happens if we buy Youri have a really well balanced team then he gets injured who do we have that can play his role?

 

Maguire for Youri is such a simplified question it is largely redundant.

[brucey]

We could probably just about scrape the money together without selling Maguire.

 

Assuming the Puel/Rodgers pay off has been essentially covered by finishing 4-5 places in the table above what we would have otherwise, so no loss there.

We haven’t spent the Iborra money from Jan (£10m).

Silva (who many would have probably been happy to let go for free to clear the wage bill) can now be sold for £10-15m (whether or not that’s as a part trade-in).

A fair few contracts off the books (+ Iborra and Benny in Jan) which drops the wage bill significantly. Not sure if this directly affects transfer budget though. If it does, maybe add another £10m to the pot.

 

Looking at our previous seasons net spend about £25-30m net would probably be workable.

That gives us about 60m to spend.

Best case scenario Youri goes for the initially quoted price of £40m. We might be forced to pay £45m, but I think we’ll refuse if asked to pay £50m+.

 

Whatever is left is needed to buy a backup LB and striker (£10-15m each). Rodgers hinted he might try to beg Fuchs to stay, I doubt it will happen but would solve the problem temporarily. With regards striker it may be that Rodgers feels he can get something from Nacho, or maybe offload Nacho at a cut price £15m and get someone in at a similar price.

 

So it’s preferable, and probably doable, to keep both... but if the finances are not workable then Harry can go with our best wishes.