Cricket 2019

[EastAnglianFox]

13 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Is that it? 

 

All he did was wear the glasses right? 

 

Is it a bad thing just because it's Steve Smith doing it? 

 

Yeah i was expecting some real personal attack when I saw the headline but jeez it was hardly worth reporting on.

 

Lyon on the other hand, what a weasel. I bet on team nights out he's the mouthy fvcker giving it large starting on anybody and everybody yet when shit hits the fan can be found being brave whilst behind the like of Starc, Cummins etc!

[leicsmac]

17 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I'm gonna go out on a whim and say its not the first time any sportsman has done this and it seems like there's a big fuss about it just because it's Smith and the history that precedes him.

 

Not saying it's not graceful to do it, but it's hardly the worst thing in the world to do. It lives up to the rivalry and spark between the 2 teams. I beg the question of what an England player would do in Australia if he was booed and targeted all series (rightfully, mind) and then wins in their rivals back yard. Just sit there and not rub it in? Nah. Some England players would milk it and lap it up and fair play to them if so. 

 

He's celebrated with glasses with a bit of humour. It's not like he's pissed on them or taken a massive shit on them and burnt a Leach shirt while doing so. Literally just worn some glasses. 

 

I will agree that Lyon is a cvnt, however

 

Then Smith should have given it large to the crowd and lap it up, not to Leach IMO - it's not like he was one of the ones barracking him for being a cheat, was it?

 

I agree that he's got the right to let out the antagonism if he wants, but he chose the wrong target.

[fuchsntf]

17 hours ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

You certainly can blame the selectors, James Taylor & Ed Smith have gotten the choices wrong but having looked into this further this way be more wrongdoing of the ECB. Ed Smith has a crush on Denly and was his pick, but given his age of 34 hardly a glowing endorsement of building a test team for the future.

i disagree on the lack of talent in the county game, there plenty of forms players they could have selected for the Ashes including Sibley (who scored half centuries against Australia in a warm up match) Pope, Northeast, Crawley, Hain or Bell-Drummond hardly names out of a pot. Most of these are 30 or under and could be given time to develop, the England Lions is meant as a pathway to the senior side, however if these players perform then they should be selected yet they haven't been.

 

The squad chosen wasn't the best available, yes Roy had a good world cup but has barely played any red ball cricket so was chosen on white ball performances but also for having a contract with the ECB probably a white ball version so have tried to get a test opener on the cheap.   

 

I don't agree either that the team had lots of runs, look up how many times we have been bowled out for less than 200 in the last years & how many times we have reached over 350 runs its pretty low. 

 

With so many test players not in good form the World cup must have been used to mask the current abilities- Bairstow/Buttler/Roy/Root, i'm not suggesting they should all be dropped but surely they should have tried where possible to squeeze in some red ball game time? A short match against Ireland isn't a proper warm up to a 5 match Ashes series all good cricket fans know this (ECB and Coaching staff errors). They should have either gone back and played a county game or play an interim game against the Lions 4 or 5 day to put some miles in the legs, also this would have appealed more fans to attend and generate revenue for the ECB. 

 

I agree we should have chosen Curran in earlier matches to give us a left arm option and add some variety not to mention some valuable runs with the bat, also he came into the test side last year and a strong Kohli led India side and single handed won us two tests. Hardly a new test bowler? 

 

With regards to the rest of the squad, we have no identity we still haven't solved the opening partnership questions or the middle order. This issue has been with us for over two years now and is worse now Cook has retired. We also lack balance or variety in both batting and bowling, Roy should never have been selected as his defence technique isn't good enough at test level, Denly is take or leave should at 34 he isn't going to improve the side yet has put a few gritty innings. Stokes is an all-rounder yet but the test team has leaned on his batting mostly and has shown the courage and ability to fight in on the big occasion ala World cup n Headingly innings. 

 

The fact they have had to move the batting order around during the series shows poor and amateurish selection by the selectors and the ECB.  

 

Our middle order has too many similar players in Baistow/Buttler who are both good players but personally we should only play one to increase the competition, they can both punish the opposition with the speed of scoring and shot selection. i only look inwards Aussies middle order has performed about the same as ours Steve Smith is a freak but plays with a test temperament, the fact that we have to bounce him out of a test shows we don't have a consistent plan to ball towards him.  

 

Overall there Bowling unit is the best overall in test Cricket and i agree they bowled with better line and length during the whole series, we used the same ball and you would have thought playing at home we should have bowled better and used the conditions better. i like seeing Archer and look forward to seeing how he develops, its a shame Anderson got injured and surely would have given us a better chance to win the Ashes but was not to be. 

 

Personally after the Ashes has concluded i would like to see the following side tour New Zealand/South Africa:

 

Sibley

Burns

Pope

Root (VC)

Foakes (W)

Stokes (C)

Woakes

Curran

Archer

Leach

Broad

 

Part of the 15: Bairstow/Northeast/Ali/Wood or Anderson if fit

 

Going with the above gives us a good platform with a better balance between Bat n Ball, We have 5 dedicated batsmen up top with 4 seamers with Stokes as a fifth change so focus on captaincy.

 

I Dont disagree with your selection...or  parts of your post.. 

 

BUT we must not forget. Even after Fletcher-Nassa,we seemed to like name dropping,und selected some "Fans & pundits favorites and  they dropped off and into History... So we shouted stability is the Key ,so we went with ...Why Not Butcher ( only recently been given his Test chances),Keep to Bairstow,Stokes,Hales,then we all (or most) said Roy deserves a shot...Now if he just gets the Ashes,and not a Full year,with Tour then we go back to the Cold 80s-90s.

 

Your suggestions,like many others are just names,they are Not guarrantees. At this Moment our No1s ,2 & 3, our biggest problem,and Real weakness

Get this right,then any selected following Batsman/Middle -Order will have it easier.

 

We have lost the Ashes,with a selection 99% of fans would have said 4-11, all ok!!!  

Our selection Organisation After Strauss, Brand new,with a New concept where even our favourite "Panel of pundits experts" said  it will Need time.

I mean ffs,Taylor only went from Scout to Selector this Late summer...and he didnt get a couple of players he would of liked.

 

The continual old moan of old farts,selection Committee doesn't sit,or fit, WE have moved  on. From since Strauss's Appointment for a change in Approach and ideology,in the Short game,and Tests arena.   Its hard we lost the Ashes,but  Bloody Great for the very 1st Time picked up a trophy in Any ICC tournament.

That was no mean feat..!!!

England do have a Organisation problem,in fixture management, no red ball cricket,or no white ball cricket,in Tests or One day periods,when we Need to look

at potential talent during International tournaments/Tests....We are the "Only International team" that in ANY game day when visiting,that can still fill Amy Stadium

World wide...That alone Brings problems,with players, rests,and selectors difficult in trying to give Players a loyal decent run ,

while also trying to introduce New Blood...

 

Our Bowling unit ( Maybe up to 8) are has Good as any,including Australia's. Their weakness ,an English Virus for 40yrs plus, we have Sessions where

we cant Keep to a discipline line and length, occasionally very.avg/poor 1-2 Hour periods,which loses us either Momentum ,the day,or the game and series.   

Even our Heroes,like Stokes, Broad, Anderson,Woakes,Leach ,presumely also now  occasionally with Archer.

On this our captains ,who ever ,should think of no more than 4-5 over Spells maximum,

even if wickets fall....India,Aussies,und Kiwis, often,say thanks ,Lets not push it...IMHO 12-15 over spells,even from the start should be Shared 3-4 bowlers.

Obviously there will be exceptions,where a push maybe worth it..!!

 

Yes We lost the Ashes,but we shouldnt go out bashing ,blaming,and throw all the Babies out with the bathwater....

Selectors Platform has has only just been Reformed and created....Let it ride,and some fans should inform themselves before Selector bashing....

 

Players...IMHO

 

Foakes,  would have been my wktKeeping Choice for the whole series...

Curran. Would & should have had at least 1-2 of the 4 games.

Sibley. Would of been in My squad,and introduced at the latest, in the 4th  Test

Pope. Would of been in My Squad from the beginning.

 

We do have positions where we are struggling ..A 2nd opener. & No3.   We could fill ..4,5,6 even 7 with several names..

 

Burns............should Stay & get the Winter Tour und Next summer.

Denley...........could of Made it,But Now Not my choice. Like you mentioned his age...

Bairstow........Take the Gloves off him....then he can be a Specialist for this position  OR find new  Player for no3

Root...............should Stay here, and Stay captain..He s been off form, also he has been bowled some jaffers...

Pope/Roy.......Lets be fair,Others have been given time,Lets see Roy over the Winter Tour & Next summer if he can adjust..

Stokes............He also has struggled,and had just that Headingly moment....Why Change captain,because of knee-jerk reactions...

Foakes...........He is just a  Logical Choice for me

Butler/ Bairstow.............If we get the Top 4 reaching 180-200+, Butler/Bairstow can still do the job...I Dont see Butler/Bairstow in this position has a problem

                                       Coming in regularly at less than 100-for 4 or 5.... is the problem.!!!

 

 

Curran/Woakes..............In this last game I would Drop 1 of the 2 mentioned above,and play both of These 2.

Leach.............................So far doing his job...Looks like at least a 2 Year Automatic choice.

Ali/ a.n.other...................Ali can still prove he has a Test career..but we Need to find The new Spin Specialist  kid on the block...

Archer,............................had One Real poor session....But Good moments sealed bis future Test career.. 

Broad.......…..................Great bowler,but  lost bis batting prowess..!!

Anderson ......................How long can he go on. If he can then he plays

Wood ............................If he cant clear his injury problems,then no future.

Overton..........................Covers ..Curran & Woakes

Xxxyyyy.............with Curran/Stokes,/Woakes/Overton.Allrounders ,with Broad - Anderson Aging/Coming to the Twilight of their careers,we need a pace bowler.!

 

Our best batsman,had a very avg Test-series,with nobody else stepping up consistently, to support him..!!

Stokes!!! ,heronics only for 1 game,spread over 4....

the Aussies had a Player who refound form and came out of his own  dark place,to carry on his already proven Exceptional World class talent.

Then discovered a new  name who also brilliantly carried his bat,First covered for the missing super Smith,and became a Test winning star himself.

Their bowlers,were put under pressure,for only 1 & half sessions, so their brilliance was never really challenged,for any decent period of time.

Archer ,our only but exceptional find,played with the ball,his part. Broad shown his Wclass talent. Woakes/Stokes/Leach had their good/Top moments,

but often when asked,to back up Good Spells from the quicks,delivered very avg sessions. Moments that turn and lose the pressure & game

Too often spells 4-5 runs per over , covering quickly too  many overs...!!

 

Some fans, just want to Jump on every single Blame wagon,change Everything around.  In playing staff and selectors,and selection principal....

we have created,Great Short game batting heroes,in doing so forgot,or lost track how to organise our cricketting  season according to tournament,

Competition needs.

 

 

 

 

 

[EastAnglianFox]

Some excellent points @fuchsntf but did you type that post from a calculator or something

[fuchsntf]

39 minutes ago, EastAnglianFox said:

Some excellent points @fuchsntf but did you type that post from a calculator or something

Electric dosTypewriter with  My Left foot...while Drinking with My right...gardening my windowbox with my arthrose hands.

Writing in New parks-English ,speaking German to my wife,und discussing the French revolution,with my Daughter in Spanish.

Not forgetting the cat,who cant wait for the Window box,cos she doesnt know the difference between a bed of flowers & her Bloody catWC..!!

That sort of sums up my "something" 

[everton carr]

What on earth as Geoff Boycott done to deserve a knighthood? Fine player agreed but one who played for himself not the side but does that really deserve a knighthood.Having met him on a few occasions in the past horrible man who I seem to remember was also found guilty of beating his then girlfriend up a few years ago

[Guest MattP]

2 hours ago, everton carr said:

What on earth as Geoff Boycott done to deserve a knighthood? Fine player agreed but one who played for himself not the side but does that really deserve a knighthood.Having met him on a few occasions in the past horrible man who I seem to remember was also found guilty of beating his then girlfriend up a few years ago

He is Theresa May's hero basically so she's given him this before she left office.

 

Wrong but I'm going to enjoy the outrage that comes from it.

[Bobby Hundreds]

[yorkie1999]

We need a 90mph left arm bowler!

[Voll Blau]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49659554

 

Woakes and Curran in, Roy and Overton out. Stokes won't bowl.

 

Begs the question of why keep Roy in the squad in the first place if they'd decided one look at him at four was enough to realise he wasn't good enough? The whole selection process needs a complete overhaul.

[AKCJ]

20 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/49659554

 

Woakes and Curran in, Roy and Overton out. Stokes won't bowl.

 

Begs the question of why keep Roy in the squad in the first place if they'd decided one look at him at four was enough to realise he wasn't good enough? The whole selection process needs a complete overhaul.

What on Earth are we playing now then?

 

Burns

Denly

Root

Stokes

Bairstow

Buttler

Curran

Woakes

Archer

Broad

Leach

 

?

 

Looks absolutely shite to me.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

What on Earth are we playing now then?

 

Burns

Denly

Root

Stokes

Bairstow

Buttler

Curran

Woakes

Archer

Broad

Leach

 

?

 

Looks absolutely shite to me.

Yep, that's a grand total of three specialist batsmen in that XI if you exclude Stokes and count Buttler as a keeper-batsman.

Edited 11 September 2019 by Voll Blau

[AKCJ]

4 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Yep, that's a grand total of three specialist batsmen in that XI if you exclude Stokes and don't count Buttler as a keeper-batsman.

Don't understand why the likes of Sibley, Pope, Foakes etc couldn't have been given a go.

 

We don't need 7 bowling options in the side. We need genuine batsmen. The bowling has been reasonable in this series, it's the batting that has completely let the side down.

 

Burns

Sibley

Denly

Root

Pope

Stokes

Foakes (wk)

Woakes

Archer

Broad

Leach

 

That's round pegs in round holes.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Can’t score 250 so let’s pile in the all rounders. Put the crack pipe down Ed.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

Don't understand why the likes of Sibley, Pope, Foakes etc couldn't have been given a go.

 

We don't need 7 bowling options in the side. We need genuine batsmen. The bowling has been reasonable in this series, it's the batting that has completely let the side down.

 

Burns

Sibley

Denly

Root

Pope

Stokes

Foakes (wk)

Woakes

Archer

Broad

Leach

 

That's round pegs in round holes.

 

Feels like the they're paranoid we'll have another Kerrigan on our hands if we throw a debutant in to an Ashes Test. Sometimes needs must though.

 

Seems like a selection panel full of batsmen blaming the bowlers first and the batsmen second again...

[Silebyfox_89]

5 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

I Dont disagree with your selection...or  parts of your post.. 

 

BUT we must not forget. Even after Fletcher-Nassa,we seemed to like name dropping,und selected some "Fans & pundits favorites and  they dropped off and into History... So we shouted stability is the Key ,so we went with ...Why Not Butcher ( only recently been given his Test chances),Keep to Bairstow,Stokes,Hales,then we all (or most) said Roy deserves a shot...Now if he just gets the Ashes,and not a Full year,with Tour then we go back to the Cold 80s-90s.

 

Your suggestions,like many others are just names,they are Not guarrantees. At this Moment our No1s ,2 & 3, our biggest problem,and Real weakness

Get this right,then any selected following Batsman/Middle -Order will have it easier.

 

We have lost the Ashes,with a selection 99% of fans would have said 4-11, all ok!!!  

Our selection Organisation After Strauss, Brand new,with a New concept where even our favourite "Panel of pundits experts" said  it will Need time.

I mean ffs,Taylor only went from Scout to Selector this Late summer...and he didnt get a couple of players he would of liked.

 

The continual old moan of old farts,selection Committee doesn't sit,or fit, WE have moved  on. From since Strauss's Appointment for a change in Approach and ideology,in the Short game,and Tests arena.   Its hard we lost the Ashes,but  Bloody Great for the very 1st Time picked up a trophy in Any ICC tournament.

That was no mean feat..!!!

England do have a Organisation problem,in fixture management, no red ball cricket,or no white ball cricket,in Tests or One day periods,when we Need to look

at potential talent during International tournaments/Tests....We are the "Only International team" that in ANY game day when visiting,that can still fill Amy Stadium

World wide...That alone Brings problems,with players, rests,and selectors difficult in trying to give Players a loyal decent run ,

while also trying to introduce New Blood...

 

Our Bowling unit ( Maybe up to 8) are has Good as any,including Australia's. Their weakness ,an English Virus for 40yrs plus, we have Sessions where

we cant Keep to a discipline line and length, occasionally very.avg/poor 1-2 Hour periods,which loses us either Momentum ,the day,or the game and series.   

Even our Heroes,like Stokes, Broad, Anderson,Woakes,Leach ,presumely also now  occasionally with Archer.

On this our captains ,who ever ,should think of no more than 4-5 over Spells maximum,

even if wickets fall....India,Aussies,und Kiwis, often,say thanks ,Lets not push it...IMHO 12-15 over spells,even from the start should be Shared 3-4 bowlers.

Obviously there will be exceptions,where a push maybe worth it..!!

 

Yes We lost the Ashes,but we shouldnt go out bashing ,blaming,and throw all the Babies out with the bathwater....

Selectors Platform has has only just been Reformed and created....Let it ride,and some fans should inform themselves before Selector bashing....

 

Players...IMHO

 

Foakes,  would have been my wktKeeping Choice for the whole series...

Curran. Would & should have had at least 1-2 of the 4 games.

Sibley. Would of been in My squad,and introduced at the latest, in the 4th  Test

Pope. Would of been in My Squad from the beginning.

 

We do have positions where we are struggling ..A 2nd opener. & No3.   We could fill ..4,5,6 even 7 with several names..

 

Burns............should Stay & get the Winter Tour und Next summer.

Denley...........could of Made it,But Now Not my choice. Like you mentioned his age...

Bairstow........Take the Gloves off him....then he can be a Specialist for this position  OR find new  Player for no3

Root...............should Stay here, and Stay captain..He s been off form, also he has been bowled some jaffers...

Pope/Roy.......Lets be fair,Others have been given time,Lets see Roy over the Winter Tour & Next summer if he can adjust..

Stokes............He also has struggled,and had just that Headingly moment....Why Change captain,because of knee-jerk reactions...

Foakes...........He is just a  Logical Choice for me

Butler/ Bairstow.............If we get the Top 4 reaching 180-200+, Butler/Bairstow can still do the job...I Dont see Butler/Bairstow in this position has a problem

                                       Coming in regularly at less than 100-for 4 or 5.... is the problem.!!!

 

 

Curran/Woakes..............In this last game I would Drop 1 of the 2 mentioned above,and play both of These 2.

Leach.............................So far doing his job...Looks like at least a 2 Year Automatic choice.

Ali/ a.n.other...................Ali can still prove he has a Test career..but we Need to find The new Spin Specialist  kid on the block...

Archer,............................had One Real poor session....But Good moments sealed bis future Test career.. 

Broad.......…..................Great bowler,but  lost bis batting prowess..!!

Anderson ......................How long can he go on. If he can then he plays

Wood ............................If he cant clear his injury problems,then no future.

Overton..........................Covers ..Curran & Woakes

Xxxyyyy.............with Curran/Stokes,/Woakes/Overton.Allrounders ,with Broad - Anderson Aging/Coming to the Twilight of their careers,we need a pace bowler.!

 

Our best batsman,had a very avg Test-series,with nobody else stepping up consistently, to support him..!!

Stokes!!! ,heronics only for 1 game,spread over 4....

the Aussies had a Player who refound form and came out of his own  dark place,to carry on his already proven Exceptional World class talent.

Then discovered a new  name who also brilliantly carried his bat,First covered for the missing super Smith,and became a Test winning star himself.

Their bowlers,were put under pressure,for only 1 & half sessions, so their brilliance was never really challenged,for any decent period of time.

Archer ,our only but exceptional find,played with the ball,his part. Broad shown his Wclass talent. Woakes/Stokes/Leach had their good/Top moments,

but often when asked,to back up Good Spells from the quicks,delivered very avg sessions. Moments that turn and lose the pressure & game

Too often spells 4-5 runs per over , covering quickly too  many overs...!!

 

Some fans, just want to Jump on every single Blame wagon,change Everything around.  In playing staff and selectors,and selection principal....

we have created,Great Short game batting heroes,in doing so forgot,or lost track how to organise our cricketting  season according to tournament,

Competition needs.

 

 

 

 

 

Keep to Bairstow,Stokes,Hales,then we all (or most) said Roy deserves a shot...Now if he just gets the Ashes,and not a Full year,with Tour then we go back to the Cold 80s-90s. Bairstow/Stokes/Buttler all have the ability to play test cricket but given the state of the modern game they struggle to adapt back into the 5 day game (i refer back to the number of times we have struggled to reach competitive scores over 350 or bat 90 overs in the last two years). Roy had shown nothing to merit a position to open as a test batsmen, yes he played very well in the world cup and scored very quickly but this is surely the opposite to a test opener who's job it is to try and see off the a new cherry in English conditions. It feels like default pick based on his WC performances and shows a lack of research from the new scouting system, also it shows disrespect to players playing the ball season in and out while a player like Roy just walks into the team?. You can see early on against Ireland he doesn't have the technique as a opening test batsmen and see will see the same outcome on the tour of New Zealand against Southee/ Boult n co.

 

Your suggestions,like many others are just names,they are Not guarrantees. At this Moment our No1s ,2 & 3, our biggest problem,and Real weakness.

 

The names suggested are the county players inform in Div one or an playing for the England Lions (ECB implement pathway program). i agree with you that the top 3 is our biggest weakness which we need to get right on future test tours, however its the ignorance of the selection team for not picking them.

 

We have lost the Ashes,with a selection 99% of fans would have said 4-11, all ok!!! Due to a WC hangover i agree this is the case, Buttler/Bairstow having good world cups masked the poor form in the test game but we still would have selected them. i agree with this, there is no one person who has failed its a collective failure.

 

Our selection Organisation After Strauss, Brand new,with a New concept where even our favourite "Panel of pundits experts" said  it will Need time.I mean ffs,Taylor only went from Scout to Selector this Late summer...and he didnt get a couple of players he would of liked. Surely if you plan to implement a new method of working you would trial it before implementation? Its the ECB's fault for implementing a strategy with employees not experienced within the role to meet expectations, yes you can criticise me for saying this but at the end of the play they were aware of the issues with the test team before the ashes and it still hasn't been fixed. With a new coaching setup focused on the Team team this should help improve results. 

 

The continual old moan of old farts,selection Committee doesn't sit,or fit, WE have moved  on. From since Strauss's Appointment for a change in Approach and ideology,in the Short game,and Tests arena.   Its hard we lost the Ashes,but  Bloody Great for the very 1st Time picked up a trophy in Any ICC tournament.

That was no mean feat..!!!

England do have a Organisation problem,in fixture management, no red ball cricket,or no white ball cricket,in Tests or One day periods,when we Need to look

at potential talent during International tournaments/Tests....We are the "Only International team" that in ANY game day when visiting,that can still fill Amy Stadium

World wide...That alone Brings problems,with players, rests,and selectors difficult in trying to give Players a loyal decent run ,

while also trying to introduce New Blood...

 

i agree with the majority of what you've said, its just a shame that staff don't have the current ability to swap ODI hats to Test hats. The issue with fixtures is a major problem which needs to be addressed at international & county level with England to help get a better balance of all formats.

 

Without going through the rest of you're post you're right! i just find it strange that fans like us feel we see where the changes are needed but nothing happens! This is even more fustrating given that fans give their money to watch a good contest, but where we have been behind the majority of tests. 

 

Now the pressure is off the team going into the final test it will be interesting to see the reaction of the players and what is to come with the selections for the tours of New Zealand & South Africa.

 

Personally i would like to see an interim match say 3 days between the current Test team and the England Lions as a final competition for places maybe?

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Silebyfox_89 said:

Keep to Bairstow,Stokes,Hales,then we all (or most) said Roy deserves a shot...Now if he just gets the Ashes,and not a Full year,with Tour then we go back to the Cold 80s-90s. Bairstow/Stokes/Buttler all have the ability to play test cricket but given the state of the modern game they struggle to adapt back into the 5 day game (i refer back to the number of times we have struggled to reach competitive scores over 350 or bat 90 overs in the last two years). Roy had shown nothing to merit a position to open as a test batsmen, yes he played very well in the world cup and scored very quickly but this is surely the opposite to a test opener who's job it is to try and see off the a new cherry in English conditions. It feels like default pick based on his WC performances and shows a lack of research from the new scouting system, also it shows disrespect to players playing the ball season in and out while a player like Roy just walks into the team?. You can see early on against Ireland he doesn't have the technique as a opening test batsmen and see will see the same outcome on the tour of New Zealand against Southee/ Boult n co.

 

Your suggestions,like many others are just names,they are Not guarrantees. At this Moment our No1s ,2 & 3, our biggest problem,and Real weakness.

 

The names suggested are the county players inform in Div one or an playing for the England Lions (ECB implement pathway program). i agree with you that the top 3 is our biggest weakness which we need to get right on future test tours, however its the ignorance of the selection team for not picking them.

 

We have lost the Ashes,with a selection 99% of fans would have said 4-11, all ok!!! Due to a WC hangover i agree this is the case, Buttler/Bairstow having good world cups masked the poor form in the test game but we still would have selected them. i agree with this, there is no one person who has failed its a collective failure.

 

Our selection Organisation After Strauss, Brand new,with a New concept where even our favourite "Panel of pundits experts" said  it will Need time.I mean ffs,Taylor only went from Scout to Selector this Late summer...and he didnt get a couple of players he would of liked. Surely if you plan to implement a new method of working you would trial it before implementation? Its the ECB's fault for implementing a strategy with employees not experienced within the role to meet expectations, yes you can criticise me for saying this but at the end of the play they were aware of the issues with the test team before the ashes and it still hasn't been fixed. With a new coaching setup focused on the Team team this should help improve results. 

 

The continual old moan of old farts,selection Committee doesn't sit,or fit, WE have moved  on. From since Strauss's Appointment for a change in Approach and ideology,in the Short game,and Tests arena.   Its hard we lost the Ashes,but  Bloody Great for the very 1st Time picked up a trophy in Any ICC tournament.

That was no mean feat..!!!

England do have a Organisation problem,in fixture management, no red ball cricket,or no white ball cricket,in Tests or One day periods,when we Need to look

at potential talent during International tournaments/Tests....We are the "Only International team" that in ANY game day when visiting,that can still fill Amy Stadium

World wide...That alone Brings problems,with players, rests,and selectors difficult in trying to give Players a loyal decent run ,

while also trying to introduce New Blood...

 

i agree with the majority of what you've said, its just a shame that staff don't have the current ability to swap ODI hats to Test hats. The issue with fixtures is a major problem which needs to be addressed at international & county level with England to help get a better balance of all formats.

 

Without going through the rest of you're post you're right! i just find it strange that fans like us feel we see where the changes are needed but nothing happens! This is even more fustrating given that fans give their money to watch a good contest, but where we have been behind the majority of tests. 

 

Now the pressure is off the team going into the final test it will be interesting to see the reaction of the players and what is to come with the selections for the tours of New Zealand & South Africa.

 

Personally i would like to see an interim match say 3 days between the current Test team and the England Lions as a final competition for places maybe?

Don t Really disagree,except we all Think we all know better,when our Teams loses or struggles...

[surrifox]

England to bat first . Curran and Woakes play . Roy and Overton binned . Don’t generally like too many bits and pieces cricketers in the test side and it’s pretty rare a side would drop an opening bat for a bowler who can bat a bit but in this case the side looks stronger. 

[UniFox21]

An appauling call from the umpire there. Miles from the bat and high on the leg suggesting its probably going over

[martyn]

Feel a bit for Denly. He clearly isn't of the standard required, but will be the next fall guy in the batting when he has showed no less than Bairstow or Buttler in this series. Writing on wall for him when they pushed him up to open to try and accommodate a hapless Roy. 

 

[leicsmac]

England in playing-much-better-in-Ashes-dead-rubber-at-home shocker.

 

Is it the 90's again?

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

England in playing-much-better-in-Ashes-dead-rubber-at-home shocker.

 

Is it the 90's again?

I get The Ashes are gone, but wouldn't call it a dead rubber. We can prevent them winning their first series here for 18 years if we win this and there are also World Test Championship points on the line.

[purpleronnie]

Still can't get a decent opening score though, root's been dropped twice, great batting conditions, not sure why the aussies put us in first.

[leicsmac]

26 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

I get The Ashes are gone, but wouldn't call it a dead rubber. We can prevent them winning their first series here for 18 years if we win this and there are also World Test Championship points on the line.

Perhaps I was being a bit harsh there but AFAIC the fact that the Ashes are gone makes it something of a dead rubber - a tied series is the same as a loss on that score.

 

Agree there is at least something to play for, though.

[EastAnglianFox]

47 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

Still can't get a decent opening score though, root's been dropped twice, great batting conditions, not sure why the aussies put us in first.

 

They have spent the last 4 nights out on the lash tbf, probably had a lot to do with the questionable decision and wayward bowling