dayday Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 Just been looking on the sky sports app and over the last 50 years based on average league positions Leicester are 14th best which is better than Forest and Derby I must admit I was pleasantly surprised at that as I thought we would be around 17th-20th, just shows you how much Forest have fallen since the Clough era Heres the top 20 1. Liverpool 2. Arsenal 3. Man Utd 4. Spurs 5. Everton 6. Chelsea 7. Man City 8. Aston Villa 9. Newcastle 10. West Ham 11. Southampton 12. Leeds 13. Ipswich 14. Leicester 15. Norwich 16. Middlesbrough 17. Nottingham Forest 18. Derby 19. West Brom 20. Sunderland. Any surprises there?, I thought Sheffield Wednesday would be in the top 20, but they was only 28th. Sorry I couldn’t do the link, so if somebody could kindly do it thanks.
foxile5 Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 12 minutes ago, dayday said: Just been looking on the sky sports app and over the last 50 years based on average league positions Leicester are 14th best which is better than Forest and Derby I must admit I was pleasantly surprised at that as I thought we would be around 17th-20th, just shows you how much Forest have fallen since the Clough era Heres the top 20 1. Liverpool 2. Arsenal 3. Man Utd 4. Spurs 5. Everton 6. Chelsea 7. Man City 8. Aston Villa 9. Newcastle 10. West Ham 11. Southampton 12. Leeds 13. Ipswich 14. Leicester 15. Norwich 16. Middlesbrough 17. Nottingham Forest 18. Derby 19. West Brom 20. Sunderland. Any surprises there?, I thought Sheffield Wednesday would be in the top 20, but they was only 28th. Sorry I couldn’t do the link, so if somebody could kindly do it thanks. Ipswich, i always forget, were reasonably decent for a period.
bovril Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 Wednesday have done very little in the last 50 years save for a good 10 year spell late 80s and 90s. I really don't think they're as big a club as people think they are.
Stadt Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 1 hour ago, bovril said: Wednesday have done very little in the last 50 years save for a good 10 year spell late 80s and 90s. I really don't think they're as big a club as people think they are. Plenty of clubs have a great history but it’s not really relevant if it was pre-WWII, teams were playing in hobnail boots and lined up with eight attackers. Preston and Huddersfield have won a load but it wasn’t in anybody’s living memory, doesn’t make them big clubs. To be a big club, you have to win things fairly often.
st albans fox Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 Frenetic activity in Liverpool as they get the open top bus tour rebooked for tomorrow ......
CosbehFox Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 I thought this was really interesting and a fair way of ranking clubs. The likelyhood is that we will surpass Ipswich next season
Spudulike Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 This League is probably more accurate. I know that football existed before 1992 but the Premier League was a game changer and this table gives a more relevant picture of where we are. Currently 17th but expect to go up 2/3 places next season.
StanSP Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 10 minutes ago, Spudulike said: This League is probably more accurate. I know that football existed before 1992 but the Premier League was a game changer and this table gives a more relevant picture of where we are. Currently 17th but expect to go up 2/3 places next season. Could easily get in to 13th
Gamble92 Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 1 hour ago, foxile5 said: Ipswich, i always forget, were reasonably decent for a period. Whenever i think Ipswich I just see snow
bovril Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 Just now, Gamble92 said: Whenever i think Ipswich I just see snow I think watching us lose 4-2 on the tele in 96.
Anglodanglo Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 31 minutes ago, Stadt said: Plenty of clubs have a great history but it’s not really relevant if it was pre-WWII, teams were playing in hobnail boots and lined up with eight attackers. Burnley and Preston have won a load but it wasn’t in anybody’s living memory, doesn’t make them big clubs. To be a big club, you have to win things fairly often. Unless you're Celtic
FireFox Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 44 minutes ago, Spudulike said: This League is probably more accurate. I know that football existed before 1992 but the Premier League was a game changer and this table gives a more relevant picture of where we are. Currently 17th but expect to go up 2/3 places next season. 17th for Points, but 15th for Points/Match (and not far from 10th) and 13th for Win%. (And 31st for Goal Difference, but that's partly because 17 of the clubs above have less than 300 games played. It really ought to have GD/Match too.)
Corky Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 1 hour ago, Stadt said: Plenty of clubs have a great history but it’s not really relevant if it was pre-WWII, teams were playing in hobnail boots and lined up with eight attackers. Burnley and Preston have won a load but it wasn’t in anybody’s living memory, doesn’t make them big clubs. To be a big club, you have to win things fairly often. There are three consistent, giant clubs (Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal) who are either winning trophies, competing at the top and in Europe. Then you've got the next level (Everton, Aston Villa, Chelsea, Tottenham, Man City) who are in the top flight, winning titles/ trophies for a period, Newcastle and West Ham (top flight without many trophies) then the rest (top flight, yo-yo, spells of success and mediocrity outside the top flight).
Stadt Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 2 minutes ago, Corky said: There are three consistent, giant clubs (Man United, Liverpool and Arsenal) who are either winning trophies, competing at the top and in Europe. Then you've got the next level (Everton, Aston Villa, Chelsea, Tottenham, Man City) who are in the top flight, winning titles/ trophies for a period, Newcastle and West Ham (top flight without many trophies) then the rest (top flight, yo-yo, spells of success and mediocrity outside the top flight). Newcastle probably deserve to be in the middle bracket there, especially compared to West Ham. West Ham are probably the country’s biggest underachievers historically
HybridFox Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 22 minutes ago, Stadt said: West Ham are probably the country’s biggest underachievers historically Given the calibre of players they've had over the years, it is suprising. Some true legends of football!
Trav Le Bleu Posted 14 May 2019 Posted 14 May 2019 Chelsea and Man City in 6th and 7th respectively shows just how recent a flash in the pan they have been. Take the last 20 years off and they'd be around our level. There are also teams higher than us due to consistent mediocrity, such as West Ham and Southampton.
Stadt Posted 15 May 2019 Posted 15 May 2019 2 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Chelsea and Man City in 6th and 7th respectively shows just how recent a flash in the pan they have been. Take the last 20 years off and they'd be around our level. There are also teams higher than us due to consistent mediocrity, such as West Ham and Southampton. They were still significantly bigger than us before the oil money
Trav Le Bleu Posted 15 May 2019 Posted 15 May 2019 8 hours ago, Stadt said: They were still significantly bigger than us before the oil money They weren't significantly more successful.
Stadt Posted 15 May 2019 Posted 15 May 2019 10 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: They weren't significantly more successful. Pre-takeover Man City had won 2 league titles, 4 FA cups, 2 league cups and the European cup winner’s cup. Yeah not much in it between that and our 3 league cups.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 15 May 2019 Posted 15 May 2019 Southampton are 11th without every actually doing anything.
Ted Maul Posted 15 May 2019 Posted 15 May 2019 Here's the link, contains the full 92 as well: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11713743/sky-sports-ultimate-league-201819-every-clubs-true-standing-over-past-50-years-revealed Love stuff like this- takes a lot of sustained success to move up the table.
Koke Posted 15 May 2019 Posted 15 May 2019 16 hours ago, bovril said: Wednesday have done very little in the last 50 years save for a good 10 year spell late 80s and 90s. I really don't think they're as big a club as people think they are. Likewise Sheff United. 1 top flight season in 25 years. Some of these clubs live on pre WW1 reputations. Their last trophy was in 1925, nearly 100 years ago.
bovril Posted 15 May 2019 Posted 15 May 2019 13 minutes ago, Koke said: Likewise Sheff United. 1 top flight season in 25 years. Some of these clubs live on pre WW1 reputations. Their last trophy was in 1925, nearly 100 years ago. Wednesday's reputation seems to be on them having 'massive crowds', which isn't really true either. Ex-housemate was absolutely positive Wednesday was a better supported club than Leicester and no evidence to the contrary could dissuade him.
Livid Posted 15 May 2019 Posted 15 May 2019 Should be moving up to 13th next year but to move above Leeds is going to take a few more years of us finishing in the top 10 and them being in the Championship. Forest/Derby and both Sheffield clubs neck and neck. Who decided to include MK Dons in that league table I think whichever way I look at it, on either table, we're about where I thought we would be.
PhillippaT Posted 15 May 2019 Posted 15 May 2019 16 hours ago, Gamble92 said: Whenever i think Ipswich I just see snow For some reason, mentioning Ipswich (being in the top-flight) reminds me of that old Emlyn Hughes Team Tactix board game...
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