Claridge Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 8 hours ago, Kinowe Soorie said: He’d definitely one that we would regret leaving! hes a great player and would do really well at a club that plays in a different style. No way is Barnes the problem 1
J. James Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 I see Barnes as a one trick pony, quality defenders worked this out very quickly and he just has nothing else to offer. When people say he needs support thats code for "he can't adapt" and that I'm afraid is unacceptable in a top team, He simply isn't good enough to build a team around. I think he could develop under another manager but i somehow doubt it. He will never be England standard imo.
TJB-fox Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 10 hours ago, Bob Hazels shorts said: His old fella is good mates of JR Hes had a privileged career at LCFC, Rodgers sets the team up to accommodate him regardless of outcome. Binning Iheanacho after HB got over injury and double Covid was moronic He’s one of our own though so he can do no wrong What a total load of utter shite 2
Sampson Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 16 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: Get him up front when JV retires With his finishing ability? I like Harvey but the guy can’t finish his dinner, I’d dread to see him upfront. 3
Wymsey Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 Needs to be more aggressive and clinical. Can be frustrating to watch at times.
sm1 Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 Did his best impression of Schlupp yesterday, even running the ball out like him. Looked fantastic early on in the season but lately his forms just fallen off a cliff.
iancognito Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 2 minutes ago, sm1 said: Did his best impression of Schlupp yesterday, even running the ball out like him. Looked fantastic early on in the season but lately his forms just fallen off a cliff. He's had a terrible season. He looked so sharp in the summer with his fitness bootcamp to get him back to a level after that injury wrecked last season but all I can think of him contributing is the goal at Leeds. His game is simply, run to edge of box, cut inside, attempt a hit & hope blast, look shocked it didn't come off. Again. Maybe he needs moving to the right to try and get cutting balls from the byeline, maybe he just needs the Hamza treatment where he picks splinters out of his arse. I don't know but in a World Cup year he should be pushing on and he looks like a Ginger Dan James.
deep blue Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 8 hours ago, Jimmy said: It always feels to me that when he has a spell out of the team he comes back playing instinctively, then, the longer he is in the team the more he follows the instructions of the manager about passing and not just running the full back he knows he has the beating of ragged. Barnes needs to ignore Rodgers to thrive, but if he does will he play? I think there's some truth in that. I also think he isn't helped by our turgid slow style. He needs the ball delivered quickly to him but so often the ball is passed across the midfield and back, and fails to reach the wing, or we take 3 passes to get the ball to him when a single, longer but feasible pass will reach him immediately. Our technical passing has declined too. Instead of receiving a forward-looking ball the pass often causes him to go backwards or have trouble controlling it, so the full back is always set by the time he has it under his control. Compare with how Roma got it over to their wing going forward with a long, accurate pass which encouraged the winger to run forward onto, so that he took it under control and with momentum and in space.
lcfcsnow Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 He came back from his injury setback too lean, the extra weight he carried at WBA and then a few seasons with us really helped given his game was based on surging runs forward, he could shrug off defenders with ease now it’s like he knows he can’t.
filbertway Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 The only person that genuinely did something of use over 2 legs in Roma's 3rd. Get him playing under a manager that's allergic to dynamic football and you'll see his main attributes used. Rodgers is making a lot of very good players look very limited 1
lee7 Posted 6 May 2022 Posted 6 May 2022 Super talented but he is absolutely stinking the place out at the moment. I don’t think it helps playing in a side that has such a slow build up. He needs the ball early and to be able to attack space in behind the full back. Currently he finds himself coming up against two players doubling up on him as the ball takes forever to get to the wing. 4
Fox92 Posted 7 May 2022 Posted 7 May 2022 (edited) Not getting any better. We need quality on both sides, it's not just the right that is the problem. Edited 7 May 2022 by Fox92
deep blue Posted 7 May 2022 Posted 7 May 2022 11 hours ago, filbertway said: The only person that genuinely did something of use over 2 legs in Roma's 3rd. Get him playing under a manager that's allergic to dynamic football and you'll see his main attributes used. Rodgers is making a lot of very good players look very limited The last sentence is interesting. Rodgers has the reputation of being a v good coach who improves individuals, but I think that reputation is based on sand. For a start, it dismisses the natural improvement of players over a short time through other factors which have nothing to do with coaching - e.g. self-learning, the will to improve, maturing, game-time etc. Can anyone point to any of our players who is better now than when Rodgers arrived, and argue that that improvement is down to Rodgers? On balance I think he does more harm than good by his over-coaching, removing natural ability and instincts by the way he wants them to play, and not playing them in a position or role that uses their talents to best advantage. 1
filbertway Posted 7 May 2022 Posted 7 May 2022 53 minutes ago, deep blue said: The last sentence is interesting. Rodgers has the reputation of being a v good coach who improves individuals, but I think that reputation is based on sand. For a start, it dismisses the natural improvement of players over a short time through other factors which have nothing to do with coaching - e.g. self-learning, the will to improve, maturing, game-time etc. Can anyone point to any of our players who is better now than when Rodgers arrived, and argue that that improvement is down to Rodgers? On balance I think he does more harm than good by his over-coaching, removing natural ability and instincts by the way he wants them to play, and not playing them in a position or role that uses their talents to best advantage. I think he is an excellent coach in terms of drilling a team to perform the way he wants, clearly he's very detailed and works very hard. His methods work and you can't argue. For me, his vision is wrong. He refuses to use the individual capabilities that his players have and instead forces them to play in the way that he thinks is correct. Essentially making the mistake that so many managers make, forcing round pegs into square holes. The only thing that kept him in a job last season were a few flourishes of individual brilliance from Iheanacho and Tielemans. I just don't understand how you can have a player of Youri's ability who can see passes that nobody else can see and then basically tell him not to cross the half way line and just play simple passes. We still win a fair few games due to the fact that we're just better than most other teams, we've rarely hammered a team in the past 12 months though. The mixture of work ethic instilled into Pearson's players and the quality that Puel added to the squad is basically what we're running on at the minute. We're in very real danger of being set back if Rodgers is allowed to continue in my opinion. I've no doubt that the next job he goes to, he will flourish again for 12-18 months before it slowly starts to regress and he leaves a Rodges shaped hole. 1
moore_94 Posted 8 May 2022 Posted 8 May 2022 (edited) Devoid of confidence, off form, and not that good at defending and Rodgers decides playing him at left wing back is a good idea £10m a year and he does stuff like that which a sunday league manager wouldn’t even do Edited 8 May 2022 by moore_94 1
Tanya Posted 8 May 2022 Posted 8 May 2022 4 minutes ago, Sir Shep said: Bin. I'm having fun reading your one line assessment of whether you'd keep a player or not! 1
funkyrobot Posted 8 May 2022 Posted 8 May 2022 41 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Devoid of confidence, off form, and not that good at defending and Rodgers decides playing him at left wing back is a good idea £10m a year and he does stuff not like that which a sunday league manager wouldn’t even do Yeh Barnes is the worst defender in the team, crazy to play him at wing back.
Sampson Posted 8 May 2022 Posted 8 May 2022 To me it was him jumping out of tackles that was more concerning than him giving the ball away today. Was kind of the body language of a player whose heart wasn't in it.
Sunbury Fox Posted 8 May 2022 Posted 8 May 2022 Looks about a quarter of the player he was before his big injury. And I'm being kind there.
moore_94 Posted 8 May 2022 Posted 8 May 2022 Just now, Sampson said: To me it was him jumping out of tackles that was more concerning than him giving the ball away today. Was kind of the body language of a player whose heart wasn't in it. Unfortunately seems to be a thing in all of them at the moment
Ric Flair Posted 8 May 2022 Posted 8 May 2022 Other than Fofana last season, I can't remember ever seeing a player seem so close to scoring from a header and not doing so. He's had about 5 or 6 this season and I've foolishly cheered every one.
matty2702 Posted 8 May 2022 Posted 8 May 2022 Looks like a competition winner right now… we’ve had/still have a lot of confidence players in our squad, but I think Barnes is on another level. And when he’s not on it he doesn’t have other aspects to his play that can mask a poor performance, doesn’t track back particularly well, doesn’t put his foot in, rarely threads a defence splitting pass…
adam95581 Posted 8 May 2022 Posted 8 May 2022 2 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Unfortunately seems to be a thing in all of them at the moment Yeah this does my head in. We have a team full of babies who don’t want to get hit and have no fight. No wonder no one puts their head on anything. So over it.
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