Beechey Posted 21 July 2019 Posted 21 July 2019 Just now, Huli said: Why should the sea (or the land) belong to anyone? Do the worms and bacteria and fish and .... not have the right to own themselves? Human global dominance, for better or worse. Probably worse.
Guest Kopfkino Posted 21 July 2019 Posted 21 July 2019 I think Buce is right that sending an aircraft carrier to the South China Sea was solely willy waving but it doesn't fool anyone into estimating upwards our capability. It all just goes to show that continuing to chip away at the defence budget (and having no real strategy as with everything in Westminster) to help fund the modern welfare state has led us woefully short of capability and increases risk.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 21 July 2019 Posted 21 July 2019 Jeremy Corbyn’s popularity among Labour Party members has plummeted, with two fifths wanting him to stand down as leader before the next general election, polling for The Times has found. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/collapse-in-labour-members-support-for-jeremy-corbyn-5g6xjknzd
Guest the fox Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 We are probably watching the next world war unfold in front of our eyes.
leicsmac Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 6 hours ago, Beechey said: Because I believe in the rule of law. If China is allowed to completely tear up the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas, why doesn't everyone else? China are a party to this convention, as is the UK. Further, we're a member of the Five Power Defence Arrangements, and Chinese actions in this area are calling into question our obligations to such agreements. Presumably you're therefore also against a Royal Navy deployment to the Gulf, where they frequently do freedom of navigation operations? Operation Kipion is exactly the same as this South China Sea deployment, except that's a standing deployment and this is a one-off. The fact you call it pointless willy-waving tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge on the topic, as well are your predisposition to arguments on the topic. As much as the Chinese government are authoritarian, brutal buggers and seeing someone stand up to them is nice, let's not pretend that this particular piece of "defending the international rule of law" is all that altruistic - if the UK really had altruism at heart, it would be taking action against (or at least talking about) many more breaches of international law than it does. Enforcement on such international laws seems to be very...ad hoc. And there's a reason for that. Once you get past the fuzzy PR, this is another example of the UK following the rules of realpolitik: "We're protecting our interests and those of our allies. It is what every other country is doing, and we'd be foolish not to do so too." What one makes of that is purely down to the beholder, but some honesty that it is the case would be nice. I actually don't believe it to be pointless for those reasons above (though I personally believe most military action by most actors anywhere to be pointless, I also know that in a democratic system that doesn't matter so long as there are more people who perceive otherwise).
MC Prussian Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 17 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: No posts in 17 hours because everyone who has posted so far has received a ban! Yes. And no. I have been active in other threads instead.
Lionator Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 6 hours ago, the fox said: We are probably watching the next world war unfold in front of our eyes. This thread?
Grebfromgrebland Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 The media will still blame it on Muslims and the EU while selling our NHS and making homelessness a viable career choice.
Grebfromgrebland Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 Part of the reason we are brexiting is that it frees us from and moral responsibility or standards. Also to reduce taxes on multi millionaires and billionaires. You only need to look at the new pm and potential cabinet to see this.
Nick Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 20 hours ago, bovril said: Brexit: 2016 - Out and into the World 2019 - What do we need that the forest cannot provide? To the TREES!
bovril Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 Just now, Swan Lesta said: To the TREES! What about our kin, EU's taken all they got too?
Innovindil Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 15 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: To the TREES! Leicsmac when he sees this.
leicsmac Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 19 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Leicsmac when he sees this. is that the impression given? Just because I want more of them planted and preserve the ones we've got, doesn't mean I want to live among them. More comfortable living through (sustainable) improvements in technology, please.
Innovindil Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 30 minutes ago, leicsmac said: is that the impression given? Just because I want more of them planted and preserve the ones we've got, doesn't mean I want to live among them. More comfortable living through (sustainable) improvements in technology, please. Tbh my e-impression of you is proper tree hugger hippie like. But you do you. I like the fact you're so passionate about it all, even if it is a bit OTT for me.
leicsmac Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 3 minutes ago, Innovindil said: Tbh my e-impression of you is proper tree hugger hippie like. But you do you. I like the fact you're so passionate about it all, even if it is a bit OTT for me. Nah man, you're a little off, I love my tech and I think it as critical to human survival as watching and being mindful of what we do to the planet is. Both are damn important IMO. But thanks for the compliment - leaving a better world for those who inhabit it after me does drive me, yeah.
urban.spaceman Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 13 hours ago, the fox said: We are probably watching the next world war unfold in front of our eyes. It does feel like we’re overdue one. Shame really, as it was all going so well.
Alf Bentley Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 3 minutes ago, davieG said: Jo Swinson elected new Lib Dem leader Much bigger margin than expected, it seems. What does it mean? Any political or strategic shifts she's likely to make? Over to our Lib Dems expert...... @LiberalFox
Alf Bentley Posted 22 July 2019 Posted 22 July 2019 Tory MP for Dover charged with 3 sexual assaults against 2 women, but denies accusations: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/22/tory-mp-charlie-elphicke-charged-with-sexual-assault Will be interesting to see how the Tory Party reacts to this. When the allegations were first raised, they suspended him from party whip - but then reinstated him in time for the May confidence vote. Not helpful with their wafer-thin majority or with their low ratings among women voters. Dover would be a hell of a place to have a by-election with Brexit in the offing, as Britain's busiest channel port - and a Con-Lab marginal (usually), but with obvious potential for the Brexit Party.....though some way off that yet. Could be fun if a by-election happened just after a No Deal Brexit with 20-mile lorry tailbacks or whatever.
Nick Posted 23 July 2019 Posted 23 July 2019 Fairly quiet in here all things considered.... Are people out stockpiling food and digging shelters?
lifted*fox Posted 23 July 2019 Posted 23 July 2019 bwahaha 'we don't want a european army! brexit!' 'hey donald, you know our special relationship? how about a hand with that Iran boat situation? oh you won't help? urm...' 'hi EU, how about a hand with the Iran boat thingy? form a EU navy and be a part of it? oh yes, sounds lovely, thank you!' ****ing LOL
Guest Kopfkino Posted 23 July 2019 Posted 23 July 2019 How can people still not understand the difference between intergovernmentalism and supranationalism? Dreadful.
Legend_in_blue Posted 23 July 2019 Posted 23 July 2019 If I hear this "legally binding" nonsense one more time from these so called experts on Brexit, I shall punch a hole through my screen. We're leaving on Oct 31st you know, it's legally binding... Yeah, just as it was at the end of March.
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