Burnley post match therapy thread

[Shamomoa]

3 minutes ago, Dr The Singh said:

If only we had a jack grealish play for us

Nah ur alright... 👍 dont need him 😝

[Poznan34]

20 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

what's our record on pens over the past few seasons? we seem to miss more than most teams..but it might just feel that way after today.

this season: 5 pens, 3 scored

2018/2019: 7 pens, 5 scored

2017/18 : 6 pens, 5 scored 

2016/17: 6 pens, 4 scored

2015/16: 13 pens, 10 scored

2014/15: 4 pens, 3 scored 

 

total: 41 pens, 30 scored - 73%

I think the general consensus is that pens are converted at around 78% rate, so we're slightly below, but not by much. 

https://understat.com/team/Leicester/2019

 

 

 

[MC Prussian]

23 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Or it could be that subtle slices of luck goes our way sometimes but not now?

 

Brighton penalty retake?

Chilwell's mishit opener v Saints?

 

Plus, I don't recall any complaints of complacency when Maddison and Choudhury fired in away at Newcastle. In fact, I remember celebrating our arrogance rather than bemoaning it

You cite two instances where it went our way.

I'm talking about half a dozen matches where we've shown we lack certain qualities that defined us earlier on.

 

Burnley (a) 2-1 loss against a team that had lost seven of their nine previous matches

Southampton (h) - 2-1 loss - after a 1-0 lead

Aston Villa (h, 1-1, FA Cup) - somehow managed to get a draw, otherwise a rather awful game

Everton (a, League Cup) - arrogant display in the second half, giving a 2-0 lead away

Wigan (h, FA Cup) - only took the lead thanks to an own goal, and then huffed and puffed over the finishing line

Liverpol (h, 0-4) - simply caved in (granted, against the currently best team in the league)

Manchester City (h, 3-1 loss) - took the lead, then took the foot off the gas and let it slide

Norwich (h) - a dour 1-1 against one of the poorest teams in the league

 

In two out of those eight matches, I can excuse our performances to some extent - Liverpool at home (best team in the league) and maybe Manchester City away.

The rest? Rather spineless.

 

In what way were we "arrogant" after a win against a team down to ten men for most of the match?

Most fans were taking the piss out of Newcastle's sports science team if I remember correctly.

[Livid]

We're one dimensional, in that we have our way of playing and when we do it well we look brilliant.

 

Unfortunately for the last month, for whatever reason, it's not worked that well. Two results against an abysmal West Ham and Newcastle have covered up the fact that when we've been up against teams with quality or fight we've struggled. 

 

I'm not getting despondent but I'm not buying the it's only one game argument either. 

[frany104]

Have you ever seen a team miss one individual as much as Wilfred Ndidi. Please hurry back! 
 

terrible performance and if this doesn’t show we need a couple of buys in the window I don’t know what does. If we’re not careful we will keep slipping up as we don’t have there quality in a number of areas. Far too many players are loooking horribly out of form and it can’t carry on. 

[Muzzy_Larsson]

32 minutes ago, Danny Clender said:

That was a very close game decided by a keeper showing exceptional form. 

 

Yep, the penalty miss was a huge game changer, though for me, the rest was all about individual final poor product. 

Barnes, Maddison, Mendy, Perez, Praet...that's a high proportion of a team not delivering as expected.

 

I can't see this level of performance lasting. 

Hopefully either way the Villa game goes allows us to get on with things again.

Barnes scored and done superbly to win a penalty, looking at this game in isolation I’m not sure what more you want from him. 

[Ceirboy]

That £6.5k transparent rucksack was the start of this slide. 
 

[Remember Kember]

Our problem of having no one who can hold the ball up on the half way line is being shown up. I counted 10 times where we lost the ball in that area.  Burnley 's first goal was a a direct result of us losing possession 

[Muzzy_Larsson]

1 minute ago, Livid said:

We're one dimensional, in that we have our way of playing and when we do it well we look brilliant.

 

Unfortunately for the last month, for whatever reason, it's not worked that well. Two results against an abysmal West Ham and Newcastle have covered up the fact that when we've been up against teams with quality or fight we've struggled. 

 

I'm not getting despondent but I'm not buying the it's only one game argument either. 

That first paragraph, that’s exactly how I’d sum up Rodgers approach at Celtic. Obviously he was insanely successful for us domestically so it’s not a complaint but he’s managing in a league now with a far higher standard of opposition and doesn’t have the luxury of being the top dog in this league where he can expect just to turn up and impose his game on other teams. He reallly needs to start showing he can adapt and change his approach when required as a manager as it’s becoming his Achilles heel imo and it’s becoming easy for teams to set up against.

[whoareyaaa]

If Vardys scores then pen or the chance after then it's a different story heads dropped after that and we go and concede .. should be starting Nacho and Gray next game

[NotTheMarketLeader]

27 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

You'll find few people who'll complain about their team losing - depending on the way the defeat came about.

 

For about a month now, our players have apparently lost their appetite for football. One can rue VAR decisions all day long, in the end, you make or break your own luck.

Fact is our style of football and the attitude displayed by many players reek of complacency and arrogance. Manager at present seems to have no clue how to rectify these issues.

I couldn’t agree more.

 

Maddison needs dropping; his diving and leaving us a man down, when it’s not given and at other times doing it when he could have as easily laid a chance on for another goal effort, is symptomatic of a team who have lost their desire for whatever reason.

 

Starting with the Norwich game we’ve simply been out worked by the opposition; our successful period from the start of the season  was due to our work ethic.

 

Twas ever thus in football. It’s no coincidence that Liverpool are flat out every game and 16pts clear at the top either.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

If Vardys scores then pen or the chance after then it's a different story heads dropped after that and we go and concede .. should be starting Nacho and Gray next game

I get that argument but ignoring the score line it was a very flat performance throughout imo.

[lozzyblue fox]

Not played well for weeks now so not all down to missing Ndidi. We have no plan B and Roger's likes to play keep possession across the back instead of quick ball forward.

Now being found out by all the teams.

Need a couple of new players.

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, henrik_62 said:

I get that argument but ignoring the score line it was a very flat performance throughout imo.

It wasn't great but we had our chances to win it and didn't take um

 

[Guest Col city fan]

One final time...

Just take a moment to look at the stats of the game. You’ll see just about everything was even. Possession, tackles, shots etc etc

We gained momentum again mid way into the second half, got the breakthru with the penalty and that would have been game over.

Vardy missed it, that got their peckers up and they won.

It was a very open, end to be game that we could have easily won

It wasn’t this terrible performance so many on here are making out it was.

Don’t blame Mendy by the way, blame Vardy.

Oh and Maddison who looked like he’d got shot every time someone tackled him

We miss Wilf Ndidi big time

[Muzzy_Larsson]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

It wasn't great but we had our chances to win it and didn't take um

 

Yeah my point is though all that would have done is paper over the cracks. The performance overall was poor and flat which has alarmingly been the norm for a number of weeks now.

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, henrik_62 said:

Yeah my point is though all that would have done is paper over the cracks. The performance overall was poor and flat which has alarmingly been the norm for a number of weeks now.

You can't play at full speed for 90 minutes every week every single game all teams have to grind out results 

[Farrington fox]

Lets be honest, Vardy has been doggo of late. Hope he gets his form back and bloody soon. As for Maddison, he needs to stop play acting and put as much effort into his football or fvck off. 

[blabyboy]

Looking forward to seeing the Work Ethic pick up after the TW shuts and everyone knows their status for the rest of the season.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

You can't play at full speed for 90 minutes every week every single game all teams have to grind out results 

Yeah but the point is you haven’t turned in a single decent/complete performance in weeks, there’s an obvious and alarming downward trajectory. It’s not as if your performing below par and grinding out results anyway, your throwing leads away every other week right now.

[blabyboy]

1 minute ago, Farrington fox said:

Lets be honest, Vardy has been doggo of late. Hope he gets his form back and bloody soon. As for Maddison, he needs to stop play acting and put as much effort into his football or fvck off. 

See that motivation course has really paid off 

[sdb]

We deserved to win. But allowing such a poor and low on confidence side back into the game is criminal. 

 

Time for some positivity on here and on the pitch, starting Wednesday night. That game is ****ing huge.

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, henrik_62 said:

Yeah but the point is you haven’t turned in a single decent/complete performance in weeks, there’s an obvious and alarming downward trajectory.

Id just call it a blip and were missing Nididi 

[Brainy]

I just hate what football seems to have become. Not just with ourselves but every fanbase really, particularly the more successful you are that whenever you lose, no... whenever you so much as concede a goal, that x player or even every player is the worst player on the planet. So much so that we should just flog them immediately, for some obscene amount of money to a better/bigger side than us.

[Muzzy_Larsson]

3 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

Id just call it a blip and were missing Nididi 

As good a player as he is I don’t think missing Ndidi is the cause of all ills at all.