Corona Virus

[FoxesDeb]

1 minute ago, Ginger_Filbert said:

Does anyone think holidays are realistic at any point this year?

I know it’s not important at the moment in the grand scheme of things, I just don’t know whether to re-book or get a refund. 

I keep changing my mind about this, on one hand I can't imagine that we can continue like this right through the summer, but on the other hand I can't see an end in sight. We've got all our annual leave booked and will just wait and see what happens, but presumably prices will be through the roof when we get back to normal 

[StanSP]

 

 

 

[reynard]

6 minutes ago, Ginger_Filbert said:

Does anyone think holidays are realistic at any point this year?

I know it’s not important at the moment in the grand scheme of things, I just don’t know whether to re-book or get a refund. 

Just my opinon but if you can get a refund get one. You can always use the money to rebook. Trying to rearrange anything right now seems fraught with difficulties.

[Ginger_Filbert]

2 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I keep changing my mind about this, on one hand I can't imagine that we can continue like this right through the summer, but on the other hand I can't see an end in sight. We've got all our annual leave booked and will just wait and see what happens, but presumably prices will be through the roof when we get back to normal 

Yeah it’s a tough one. On one hand I think just get a refund and book when we can. Then I think if everyone just gets a refund then the travel industry will be more buggered than it already is. 
 

[reynard]

6 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

I keep changing my mind about this, on one hand I can't imagine that we can continue like this right through the summer, but on the other hand I can't see an end in sight. We've got all our annual leave booked and will just wait and see what happens, but presumably prices will be through the roof when we get back to normal 

Not sure that will be the case. Depends when you can go of course but I think it will take quite a while for a great many people to regain their confidence in travelling. Tour operators and airlines will be desperate to get things started again. Oil price is very very low right now. If airlines etc have any sense they will be buying now for the price. Same with energy firms.

[Innovindil]

Just now, StanSP said:

 

 

 

Greater Manchester Police has warned people not to breach lockdown rules over Easter after it had to break up 660 parties during the pandemic.

 

Colour me a funny shade of pink, but I don't think they were wrong. Hundreds dying every day, still large portions of the public giving zero ****s. On a regular basis we have people on here calling out the chinese government, rightly so, you surely can't then expect the government to head in that direction when people weren't taking this seriously. As much as it sucks, they needed this to get to a point where people would accept restrictions. if anything, I think they pulled the trigger too early. People already struggling being apart from their families, being stuck at home etc etc. If people fall apart just as this heads towards the peak, the hundreds dying now will seem a drop in the ocean.

 

Time will tell I guess.

[Charl91]

2 hours ago, Sampson said:

 

 

Social distancing will be here to stay until the vaccine but I can't see anyone advocating lockdown going beyond the end of the summer. Most countries will end up accepting a society similar to that of Sweden or Iceland where social distancing will be in place, football matches won't have crowds, but we'll be able to travel across the country to see friends and family and go back to schools, offices, cafes, restaurants and hair dressers again- though all desks and tables will now have to be spread 2m apart

 

In term of schools, I have no idea how that's going to work. I have 28 kids in my class, in a ridiculously tiny space. I couldn't even get them in there 1m apart, let alone 2m.

 

Schools will either have to forgo social distancing (or make an ineffective token effort to pretend it's happening), or someone's going to have to come up with some creative solutions. Clearly Schools can't stay closed the whole time, but in a lot of classrooms that I've experienced, kids are crammed in there like sardines.

 

 

[MattFox]

Number of new cases seems pretty steady despite the increase in testing.

 

Always good to take every small positive.

 

 

[FoxesDeb]

5 minutes ago, reynard said:

Not sure that will be the case. Depends when you can go of course but I think it will take quite a while for a great many people to regain their confidence in travelling. Tour operators and airlines will be desperate to get things started again. Oil price is very very low right now. If airlines etc have any sense they will be buying now for the price. Same with energy firms.

All good points which I hadn't really considered. We've got a week off in November and were hoping to go to Malta, hopefully we still can but I'm certainly not booking it yet. 

 

Also as an aside, although the government has said we can carry over our left over annual leave, my firm are panicking now that we'll all have loads of time off that they won't have the availability to let us take it. I think people will really struggle to book holiday from work in the summer holidays next year, it's usually hard at the best of times 

[Guest Markyblue]

660 party's broken up by Manchester police during this pandemic,  those questioning the government's timing of lockdown and you are entitled to your opinions,  i hope you also question the fact we live in a country full of selfish f..kwits.

[StanSP]

Where's Priti Patel?

 

can you imagine the hounding if Diane Abbott didn't show her face for so long in such a crisis?

[Guest Markyblue]

Just now, StanSP said:

Where's Priti Patel?

 

can you imagine the hounding if Diane Abbott didn't show her face for so long in such a crisis?

Nobody would miss diane Abbott's wisdom surely. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

27 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

 

 

He's not wrong though is he.

[foxile5]

28 minutes ago, murphy said:

Nobody ever said that.  I have yet to meet a single person that expects lockdown to be lifted next week.  Let it go.

 

 

You're wasting your time.  You know that, I know that, but some are determined to jump through hoops just to take another swing at the government.

 

 

I don't think this is being handled appropriately at all. But you seem to think that I should cheerfully accept loss of life without comment. 

 

You might be comfortable genuflecting to our upper class over lords but I'm not. 

 

It's been handled terribly, evidenced by the large loss of life, and I'm not going to ignore poor decisions. 

[Countryfox]

[Countryfox]

[Countryfox]

10 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

I don't think this is being handled appropriately at all. But you seem to think that I should cheerfully accept loss of life without comment. 

 

You might be comfortable genuflecting to our upper class over lords but I'm not. 

 

It's been handled terribly, evidenced by the large loss of life, and I'm not going to ignore poor decisions. 

Fair enough ...  but perhaps a good idea to come back to this one when we’ve made it to the other side and the dust has settled ..  then if there is ‘blame’ somewhere it can be discussed.   

[foxile5]

1 minute ago, Countryfox said:

Fair enough ...  but perhaps a good idea to come back to this one when we’ve made it to the other side and the dust has settled ..  then if there is ‘blame’ somewhere it can be discussed.   

I get that but sitting idly by and ignoring governmental failings is really why we're in this mess. 

 

We've had to borrow ventilators from a TV show and the prime minister nearly killed himself because he didn't want to listen to the advice of not shaking hands. If the tweet earlier in this thread is to be believed, the science we were 'following' hadn't even been studied properly. 

 

Yet some folk will defend this party to the hilt because of this weird cult of personality. It's Boris. He'll sort em out. Look at his funny hair. He likes England. It's so bad that, even with people dying (800 plus again), some people will look upon you with scorn for saying you don't think it's being handled well. 

[Sampson]

I'm sure there's more scientifically minded people on here than me. So what are people's thoughts on these stories doing the rounds at the moment about people who've had the TB jab having up to 6 times less chance of being hospitalised for Covid-19?

 

Is the evidence actually worthwhile or is it just click-bait?

[fuchsntf]

5 minutes ago, Ginger_Filbert said:

Does anyone think holidays are realistic at any point this year?

I know it’s not important at the moment in the grand scheme of things, I just don’t know whether to re-book or get a refund. 

Just my Take & Thoughts on the whole CV issue relevant to holidays....Write 2020 off mentally,dont get tense,looking at daily News looking,for a break

in these CV Storm clouds...trying to Squeeze the thought on a holiday or even a break...Trying to be clever to beat the crowd,wastee of time,more importantly waste of squandering Tense & nervous energy,looking for positive turns in desperation. What will come will come....

 

Even in the past with kids ( Now a pensioner) I Never booked holidays too far in advance...If you are under 60 & fit,waiting 1-2 years for a 'chosen' Holiday Shouldent ever be a problem. You wont Beat the Price hikes ( if any), unless Flight & Stay are guarranting no increase ( read small print) you will still stand in long Desperate queues if you fly..Govts will be nervous,so  sudden re-clampdowns in these following 1-2  years wouldnt / Shouldnt be a suprise..

 

The world of the past is gone, if it isnt,it Bloody well should have!!

until the Twighlight-z one has passed,dont chase other peoples or your own promises.Be relaxed about it !! Just Think about all the others Desperate souls,who will start panicking,gasping to get away..!! I wouldnt put myself ( if single) or  kids through the Early Airport Mayhem...Be clever look for alternatives,Talk direct to BnBs,Hotels ,if you can Set up Guaranteed deals,including cancellation,or first refusals,with down payment..with an agreed holding time..

[murphy]

12 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

I don't think this is being handled appropriately at all. But you seem to think that I should cheerfully accept loss of life without comment. 

 

You might be comfortable genuflecting to our upper class over lords but I'm not. 

 

It's been handled terribly, evidenced by the large loss of life, and I'm not going to ignore poor decisions. 

I'm just picking you up on this issue about the lockdown extension.  No one believes it will be lifted next week, not even you, yet you seem to be determined to make an issue out it. 

 

You seem to have a habit of believing what you want to believe to the extent of creating problems that don't exist, as if we don't have enough real problems.  That stuff about cheerfully accepting loss of life.  WTF are you talking about?  Perhaps best not to make ridiculous assumptions about what you think I believe if you can get it that wrong.

 

Let's leave it there.

[foxile5]

1 minute ago, murphy said:

I'm just picking you up on this issue about the lockdown extension.  No one believes it will be lifted next week, not even you, yet you seem to be determined to make an issue out it. 

 

You seem to have a habit of believing what you want to believe to the extent of creating problems that don't exist, as if we don't have enough real problems.  That stuff about cheerfully accepting loss of life.  WTF are you talking about?  Perhaps best not to make ridiculous assumptions about what you think I believe if you can get it that wrong.

 

Let's leave it there.

Yeah. I think it is a terrible decision born of watery leadership. 

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I'm sure there's more scientifically minded people on here than me. So what are people's thoughts on these stories doing the rounds at the moment about people who've had the TB jab having up to 6 times less chance of being hospitalised for Covid-19?

 

Is the evidence actually worthwhile or is it just click-bait?

Doesn’t everyone have the TB jab ?

 

EDIT: stopped in 2005 for the general population and became targeted at those considered vulnerable......so everyone over the age of 25 (unless they arrived as adult immigrants) should be covered ????

 

 

[Sampson]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

Doesn’t everyone have the TB jab ?

No. Not the old or the young.

 

Everyone had it in school starting in the early 60s but they scrapped it about 15 years ago because TB is too rare nowadays in the west.

 

Think anyone over their mid 60s or under their late 20s would never have had it.

 

More crucially, countries like Italy, Spain and the US have never done it.

[st albans fox]

44 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Where's Priti Patel?

 

can you imagine the hounding if Diane Abbott didn't show her face for so long in such a crisis?

did you have a steer Stan ??

 

she’s on today .....