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[FoxesDeb]

Just now, Buce said:

 

I've spent loads of time hiking in Andalucia, Deb, and my experience has been exactly as you describe it. Great place, lovely people.

 

Whereabouts have you moved to?

We're just outside a town called Albox in Almeria province, but nobody really knows where it is! About 2 hours east of Granada, and 2 hours south west of Alicante, half an hour inland from Mojacar.  We've been here since December but due to local lockdowns we haven't really been able to explore yet. I know that Andalucia is vast, but if you have any recommendations for places to visit I'd love to hear them please. 

[Parafox]

2 hours ago, Corky said:

I may have got this wrong but the original police advice about not going out alone was based on the possibility the perpetrator could still have been at large, wasn't it? Or is my timing out and they'd arrested the suspect beforehand?

 

Isn't it just common practice that when an incident like this happens, you heighten security i.e. go out in public with acquaintances and remain vigilant. Isn't this advice what sparked the whole debate? 

 

That's true historically when women were advised to stay at home during the Peter Sutcliffe era. I don't recall so much, any advice in subsequent incidents

[Buce]

11 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

We're just outside a town called Albox in Almeria province, but nobody really knows where it is! About 2 hours east of Granada, and 2 hours south west of Alicante, half an hour inland from Mojacar.  We've been here since December but due to local lockdowns we haven't really been able to explore yet. I know that Andalucia is vast, but if you have any recommendations for places to visit I'd love to hear them please. 

 

Sure.

 

What kind of stuff are you interested in?

[Dunge]

2 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

So much tragic irony here, men agreeing that all of us should be able to feel safe and not subjected to unwanted attention, yet laughing and joking about where they can go to subject themselves willingly to the very same. 

From a personal perspective, that certainly wasn’t my intention. So apologies if anything I wrote came across that way.

[FoxesDeb]

1 minute ago, Buce said:

 

Sure.

 

What kind of stuff are you interested in?

Places of beauty, whether natural or manmade, where we can admire rather than have to do anything! One of the most spectacular things we have seen in Spain so far was actually a man made dam and reservoir, but just the size of it was overwhelming. I love architecture, but old rather than modern, I could spend hours looking around churches, wandering village streets and looking in museums about local history. We're not really big on cities, although we liked Valencia when we stayed there overnight on the way here and we will visit them all at some point, but we'd rather spend an afternoon wandering around a small town or village ending up eating something we can't pronounce but we know is loved by the locals. Cartagena is first on my visiting list when we are allowed to travel further afield, and in the other direction there is supposedly a beautiful natural reservoir in Baza with some lovely restaurants and plenty of  people watching. 

[Mike Oxlong]

37 minutes ago, Parafox said:

Agreed, especially when you think about the potentially misogynistic topic: "Birds You Fancy Off The Telly". Is that a topic that should be acceptable?

I guess any contributors to a football forum will be largely male for a number of reasons. But when a forum has a number of different topics being discussed, which enriches the forum and invites discussion on multiple levels, there needs to be a degree of understanding from posters of what they post before the mods get involved. A seemingly innocuous topic such as the one I mentioned earlier can be unpleasant for member such as FoxesDeb and MiDuck. I'd like to think FT members would consider them before posting something potentially uncomfortable for them to read. 

 

I’m not sure what is meant by “potentially misogynistic”. You chucked that grenade into that thread and then walked away. I’m not sure that misogynistic is the right word whatever it is you are trying to get at. Are you suggesting that those who have posted in that thread (of which I am one) hate women ? 

 

No doubt that the thread title is very 1970s and I think the OP may have admitted as much (CBA to check) but if it had been given a more respectable title would you still view it as “potentially misogynistic” ?  There were some comments about the objectification of women and I’d probably accept myself that there are some posts that do that. But there are many posts that represent just a normal aspect of a part of human functioning - attraction. I posted a picture of Jodie Comer. She looks stunning in it. I don’t feel bad for doing so and I don’t think that suggests that I hate women or have objectified her. Isn’t it just a part of how we are wired and is it really so wrong to find another human attactive whether of the opposite or same sex ? 

[Izzy]

Also in the news.....it's 25 years ago tomorrow since the Dunblane killings.

 

Just watched a wonderfully moving documentary on ITV with Lorraine Kelly who visits the families who campaigned to get the gun laws changed.

 

Such a shocking tragedy and still hard to believe that 16 kids aged five and six plus their teacher were murdered that day.

 

 

[Jimothy]

Now charged with murder

 

BBC News - Sarah Everard: Met Police officer charged with murder https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56331948

[tom27111]

Apparently, 2 girls from London have set up this page, calling out the 'cat-calls' that they've heard.

 

No wonder the figures are quoting 97%

 

I used to manage pubs and bars for over 10 years, god knows how offended they'd get by a bunch of pissed up 40-year-old women on a Hen night.

[Unabomber]

2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Now charged with murder

 

BBC News - Sarah Everard: Met Police officer charged with murder https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56331948

What was he charged with before?

[Jimothy]

1 minute ago, Unabomber said:

What was he charged with before?

Nothing, he was arrested under suspicion of murder.

[Unabomber]

Just now, Facecloth said:

Nothing, he was arrested under suspicion of murder.

Ah right well looks guilty to me 

[Jon the Hat]

51 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Also in the news.....it's 25 years ago tomorrow since the Dunblane killings.

 

Just watched a wonderfully moving documentary on ITV with Lorraine Kelly who visits the families who campaigned to get the gun laws changed.

 

Such a shocking tragedy and still hard to believe that 16 kids aged five and six plus their teacher were murdered that day.

 

 

Hard to believe it’s so long ago.  

[Jon the Hat]

17 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

Apparently, 2 girls from London have set up this page, calling out the 'cat-calls' that they've heard.

 

No wonder the figures are quoting 97%

 

I used to manage pubs and bars for over 10 years, god knows how offended they'd get by a bunch of pissed up 40-year-old women on a Hen night.

Yeah hens are well known for kidnapping rape and murder.

[tom27111]

2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Yeah hens are well known for kidnapping rape and murder.

That wasn't the point.

 

They're saying that the quote they've used in that picture is harassment. 

 

It isn't. 

 

It might well be unwanted attention and it is uncalled for, but it certainly isn't harassment. 

 

Where did I mention kidnapping, rape or murder?

 

 

[KrefelderFox666]

24 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Ah right well looks guilty to me 

I bet he'll get his 20 year term, serve 10 years then come back into the open. Sentencing in this country seems ridiculous at times. Let's see if justice is served.

[Unabomber]

1 minute ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

I bet he'll get his 20 year term, serve 10 years then come back into the open. Sentencing in this country seems ridiculous at times. Let's see if justice is served.

He will prob get killed in prison or top himself 

[nnfox]

4 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

I bet he'll get his 20 year term, serve 10 years then come back into the open. Sentencing in this country seems ridiculous at times. Let's see if justice is served.

If he's found guilty, there is no way he'll be out in 10 years.  Life with a minimum of 35 years would be my guess

[bovril]

9 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

That wasn't the point.

 

They're saying that the quote they've used in that picture is harassment. 

 

It isn't. 

 

It might well be unwanted attention and it is uncalled for, but it certainly isn't harassment. 

 

Where did I mention kidnapping, rape or murder?

 

 

I think you've missed the point.

 

You don't feel threatened by pissed up hen parties, which is exactly the point. 

[KrefelderFox666]

7 minutes ago, nnfox said:

If he's found guilty, there is no way he'll be out in 10 years.  Life with a minimum of 35 years would be my guess

Would make sense but I feel like every time I read a BBC article about killer convictions they get really short terms. Might be imagining that though.

 

As mentioned above, sure he'll manage to kill himself before completing his minimum sentence.

[tom27111]

Just now, bovril said:

I think you've missed the point.

 

You don't feel threatened by pissed up hen parties, which is exactly the point. 

Really?

 

Firstly, you probably haven't experienced up to a hundred women in an absolute state, at least once a month for 10 years.

 

I can assure you, even for some doormen, on occasions it is very threatening. 

 

Secondly, would you report someone saying "Oi Oi, sweet girl, give me your number" to the police? 

 

If it's sexual harassment, surely you would? But nobody in their right mind would, would they?

 

I'd have spent every night that there was a hen party in one of my pubs, giving statements to the police if that was the case.

 

It's also how you deal with it.

 

I'm not defending people saying these things, but it needs to be kept in context.

 

 

[bovril]

Just now, tom27111 said:

Really?

 

Firstly, you probably haven't experienced up to a hundred women in an absolute state, at least once a month for 10 years.

 

I can assure you, even for some doormen, on occasions it is very threatening. 

 

Secondly, would you report someone saying "Oi Oi, sweet girl, give me your number" to the police? 

 

If it's sexual harassment, surely you would? But nobody in their right mind would, would they?

 

I'd have spent every night that there was a hen party in one of my pubs, giving statements to the police if that was the case.

 

It's also how you deal with it.

 

I'm not defending people saying these things, but it needs to be kept in context.

 

 

Fair enough I haven't, I imagine it's not pleasant. Do you feel physically in danger though? Because I think for a woman - at least women I know - if they get cat calls from random drunk guys it's not the verbal they're worried about. Someone can come up with some stats I am sure, but generally drunk women don't sexually assault men. 

[nnfox]

3 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Would make sense but I feel like every time I read a BBC article about killer convictions they get really short terms. Might be imagining that though.

 

As mentioned above, sure he'll manage to kill himself before completing his minimum sentence.

The truth is that nobody knows at the moment what happened or the exact circumstance and there are a lot of aggravating and mitigating factors that get thrown into the mix when passing sentence.  On one hand it might emerge that they knew each other and had been having an affair, in which case it will be lower.  On the other hand it might be that it was a genuine stranger offence and he used his position as a police officer to facilitate abducting her, in which case they'll throw the book at him and he might never be released. 

 

Time will tell.

[Ric Flair]

32 minutes ago, nnfox said:

The truth is that nobody knows at the moment what happened or the exact circumstance and there are a lot of aggravating and mitigating factors that get thrown into the mix when passing sentence.  On one hand it might emerge that they knew each other and had been having an affair, in which case it will be lower.  On the other hand it might be that it was a genuine stranger offence and he used his position as a police officer to facilitate abducting her, in which case they'll throw the book at him and he might never be released. 

 

Time will tell.

Hasn't he also been charged with getting his frank and beans out in a fast food gaff last month too? Begs the question has he always been a weirdo and somehow managed to have a career in the police or he's gone off his rocker after hiding a very disturbing and twisted personality. Very perturbing stuff.

[urban.spaceman]

27 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

I bet he'll get his 20 year term, serve 10 years then come back into the open. Sentencing in this country seems ridiculous at times. Let's see if justice is served.

Given how high profile this has been and that he's a serving copper they'll want to throw the book at him I think. Might get a "whole life" life term or something very close. Anything lower will just generate more outrage.