Coronavirus Thread

[UniFox21]

1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

3 deaths announced today, all from in the previous week, but only 1 had tested positive.

 

Get the football grounds open!

Mate that's incredibly naive. We had 1,715 new cases today.

[Paninistickers]

11 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Just really wished people used this energy in a more constructive manner. 
 

I honestly believed this pandemic might make community return. In reality it’s made the extremes exacerbated and folk get wrapped into theories of the absurd. 
 

All that human energy wasted on that rather than something positive for the human race collectively 

Odd comment..

 

Whether you agree with it or not, many of the crowd - outside the usual rent a rabble bores - are exactly doing what you ask; spending their energy on something positive for the human race. 

 

You might not agree with them, but at least they are trying

 

 

 

 

[twoleftfeet]

The anti restriction movement is growing across europe with a group trying to storm the German parliament. The devil makes work for idle hands.

[yorkie1999]

7 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

When you say ‘they’, who do you mean? 

People protesting.

[yorkie1999]

55 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Mate that's incredibly naive. We had 1,715 new cases today.

What’s the death rate though. I know it’s obviously a delay, but if 2 people in 1700 are dying, it’s not exactly a lot is it.  And I would have thought that by now and with such low death figures, surely the doctors could establish if their deaths were directly caused by the virus instead of the uncertainty we still seem to have regarding the death certificate saying the person died with Covid not because of it.

Edited 30 August 2020 by yorkie1999

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

Odd comment..

 

Whether you agree with it or not, many of the crowd - outside the usual rent a rabble bores - are exactly doing what you ask; spending their energy on something positive for the human race. 

 

You might not agree with them, but at least they are trying

 

 

That’s your interpretation of my post. 
 

My comment could quite be aimed at protests for environment as I saw with my own eyes on Friday. Demanding unrealistic aims. Which included protesting posing as service workers to get access to bridges etc. 
 

I think protesting that 5G is causing Covid, that there is a paedo ring amongst Hollywood celebrities and that Bill Gates is some kingpin of it all isn’t a positive for the human race. That’s some of the opinions held amongst those protesting - incredibly bonkers and absolutely the anti-uniting themes.
 

I understand that the vast majority of protesters won’t have those views but id completely want to disassociate myself from those views. Additionally have to ask what part of their views do you think are for the better of the human race?
 

Time like this uniting behind the health workers who’ve worked their absolute hearts out across the world - demanding that they are paid better and treated better by governments across the world would certainly be a better use of time. 
 

Ironically at a period when we have those conspiracy theories out there - we have the owner of Amazon plonking billons on his fortune and Elon Musk ready to stick a chip in your head 

Edited 30 August 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, twoleftfeet said:

The anti restriction movement is growing across europe with a group trying to storm the German parliament. The devil makes work for idle hands.

Just as ugly having the Celtic cross and other emblems displayed in Berlin at that protest. Uttterly detestable 

[UniFox21]

2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

What’s the death rate though. I know it’s obviously a delay, but if 2 people in 1700 are dying, it’s not exactly a lot is it.  And I would have thought that by now and with such low death figures, surely the doctors could establish if their deaths were directly caused by the virus instead of the uncertainty we still seem to have regarding the death certificate saying the person died with Covid not because of it.

Deaths are low currently, but gambling with infection rates rising is how we start to see deaths spiking again. I'm not suggesting we need to be lockeddown, but reopening football grounds everywhere isn't exactly the greatest idea. 

Also at a guess I'd assume identifying the exact cause of death isn't always as simple with corona around, especially with it being difficult to pinpoint when a person became infected. For example if Person X died of a heart attack, but also tests positively for Corona posthumously, you can't definitively identify whether corona played a role in the death or not. 

[Costock_Fox]

Went to Johny Custards on Narborough Rd tonight, more like Johny Covids. No social distancing going on in that place.

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, Costock_Fox said:

Went to Johny Custards on Narborough Rd tonight, more like Johny Covids. No social distancing going on in that place.

whats the custard like?

[Costock_Fox]

3 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

whats the custard like?

A bit covidy but the Johny was delicious. 

Edited 31 August 2020 by Costock_Fox

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

8 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Deaths are low currently, but gambling with infection rates rising is how we start to see deaths spiking again. I'm not suggesting we need to be lockeddown, but reopening football grounds everywhere isn't exactly the greatest idea. 

Also at a guess I'd assume identifying the exact cause of death isn't always as simple with corona around, especially with it being difficult to pinpoint when a person became infected. For example if Person X died of a heart attack, but also tests positively for Corona posthumously, you can't definitively identify whether corona played a role in the death or not. 

A very simplistic way of looking at it I know but come the end of the year when the annual Uk death figure is released we should be able to get some idea how many excess deaths there has been due to the virus.

 

[Trumpet]

It’s a real crude way of looking at it but if we’re seeing single digit deaths, factor in a 4 week lag and go for roughly 5 deaths in 1000 cases. Was likely hundreds of thousands of cases in late Feb/March. 

 

 

[lcfc278]

Genuine question, but why would the government want to force us to wear masks and to not let us go out and socialise with our family and friends if we could do? What do these people protesting against masks etc. think is going on?

 

Heard people saying the government wants to control us etc. but surely it is in the government's interest to have everywhere that generates income through tax open for business etc. as it would mean more money for the country. So I don't think the current restrictions are there to punish us at all, why can these protesters not see this?

[Alf Bentley]

21 minutes ago, Trumpet said:

It’s a real crude way of looking at it but if we’re seeing single digit deaths, factor in a 4 week lag and go for roughly 5 deaths in 1000 cases. Was likely hundreds of thousands of cases in late Feb/March. 

 

 

 

Who knows how many cases there were in Feb/March? Medical statisticians could project figures, but they'd inevitably be rough estimates.

 

But I don't think you can draw the conclusion you do. In Feb/March, Covid was still low-profile, there was no lockdown and people of all ages were getting on with their lives as normal.

Whatever the infection rate, it's reasonable to assume that it was spread among all age-groups without major distinctions - so plenty of elderly were getting infected.

 

A lot of data and anecdotal evidence suggests that infections are now concentrated among young people and those of working age, a lot less among  the elderly, who are inevitably being more cautious given the greater risk.

That would lead to a much lower proportion of deaths to infections now.

[Alf Bentley]

4 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

Genuine question, but why would the government want to force us to wear masks and to not let us go out and socialise with our family and friends if we could do? What do these people protesting against masks etc. think is going on?

 

Heard people saying the government wants to control us etc. but surely it is in the government's interest to have everywhere that generates income through tax open for business etc. as it would mean more money for the country. So I don't think the current restrictions are there to punish us at all, why can these protesters not see this?

 

I think it's due to a general feeling of powerlessness and vulnerability.

The world is big and complicated, and some people feel (possibly correctly) that they have little influence over how their own lives turn out.

This induces fear that those with more power are seeking to do them down, so they feel paranoid, cornered and want to fight back.

 

You're right that it's irrational thinking - but maybe their thinking is based more on emotions than on rationality?

 

Some have a cynical belief that those with power will abuse it to promote their own interests or those of their friends - a cynicism that is sometimes (maybe often) justified.

But, as you ask, what would even an ultra-cynical, corrupt Govt gain from seeking needless public conflict and crashing the economy so that there's less cash to hand out to their mates?

Have such illogical Govts just happened to simultaneously take power in almost every country in the world? 

Some paranoiacs might argue that those who gain power just like to get ever more power and control over people......but even at the cost of shooting themselves in the foot like that?!? 

 

I suppose some feel personally invulnerable as they're young and fit. They might not give a shit about others, but just want their own lives to go back to normal. I'd like to think that's a minority.

 

Of course, there are also those among the Covid conspiracy theorists (David Icke? Piers Corbyn? Local leaders?) who may be acting as they do out of egotism and a hunger for power, control and leadership....

 

[Lionheart10]

13 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

What’s the death rate though. I know it’s obviously a delay, but if 2 people in 1700 are dying, it’s not exactly a lot is it.  And I would have thought that by now and with such low death figures, surely the doctors could establish if their deaths were directly caused by the virus instead of the uncertainty we still seem to have regarding the death certificate saying the person died with Covid not because of it.

The death rate for the whole period now stands at 0.063% ( 42,000 people have died out of a population of 66 million.) They estimate about treble that amount will die from other illnesses not treated during the last 6 months!!

[CosbehFox]

 

Very interesting stuff and well sourced 

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, lcfc278 said:

Genuine question, but why would the government want to force us to wear masks and to not let us go out and socialise with our family and friends if we could do? What do these people protesting against masks etc. think is going on?

 

Heard people saying the government wants to control us etc. but surely it is in the government's interest to have everywhere that generates income through tax open for business etc. as it would mean more money for the country. So I don't think the current restrictions are there to punish us at all, why can these protesters not see this?

we are now in a recession, loads of people have lost jobs which will have a knock on effect, then add in all the social distancing and quarantining, masks and so on... they are controlling everything we do

[Milo]

17 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

we are now in a recession, loads of people have lost jobs which will have a knock on effect, then add in all the social distancing and quarantining, masks and so on... they are controlling everything we do

We may be out of a recession, no? I thought July figures showed growth.

[Alf Bentley]

9 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

we are now in a recession, loads of people have lost jobs which will have a knock on effect, then add in all the social distancing and quarantining, masks and so on... they are controlling everything we do

 

Nobody doubts that the Govt has introduced extra controls over recent months, as have Govts in almost every country worldwide. That is a simple fact. It is also a fact that this is having a major economic impact.

The debate is whether that is/was necessary or not.

 

It is also a simple fact that, although it introduced more controls, the Govt was never "controlling everything we do" - and is now controlling less than it was in April-June.

Even in April-June, people were permitted to go to the shops, exercise, work from home (or out of home for some), watch and read what they liked at home etc. There was more control but not "everything" controlled.

 

Since then, while there are still more controls than before March, there are fewer than in April-June. More shops have opened up, as have pubs/restaurants. More have gone back to work. Schools are opening.

Those who see this as some sort of totalitarian power-grab by Govt might struggle to explain why our Govt & Govts worldwide are now voluntarily reducing controls.

Did every country worldwide simultaneously get taken over by power-hungry totalitarians......who are now simultaneously and inexplicably becoming less totalitarian?! 

 

There are all sorts of arguments as to whether the controls were too OTT or whether they do more harm than good, but that's a different argument.

Some controls were and are necessary, even though they have undoubtedly caused harm as well as saving lives and doing good.

[Alf Bentley]

2 minutes ago, Milo said:

We may be out of a recession, no? I thought July figures showed growth.

 

I believe the technical definition of a recession is 2 successive quarters of negative growth - which was the case Jan-Mar & Apr-June, I think.

 

There was a small upturn in GDP in July (though from a much lower base than pre-Covid).

If that is true for the July-Sept quarter overall (likely, I imagine), then technically we'll be out of recession at the end of September - but almost certainly still with a much lower GDP than pre-Covid.

[lcfc278]

2 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

we are now in a recession, loads of people have lost jobs which will have a knock on effect, then add in all the social distancing and quarantining, masks and so on... they are controlling everything we do

And the government is encouraging businesses to open back up and get people back in to the office, the masks are to try and limit the spread of the virus (which they are proven to do so) - the protests just seem like an excuse for conspiracy theorists to go mad against the government for no reason

[foxile5]

4 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

And the government is encouraging businesses to open back up and get people back in to the office, the masks are to try and limit the spread of the virus (which they are proven to do so) - the protests just seem like an excuse for conspiracy theorists to go mad against the government for no reason

Oh god. Conspiracy theorists have really shone in the last six months haven't they? 

 

 

Liberals take note - this is what happens when people are all allowed to think their equally as clever. You get deadly disease deniers. 

 

[lcfc278]

6 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Oh god. Conspiracy theorists have really shone in the last six months haven't they? 

 

 

Liberals take note - this is what happens when people are all allowed to think their equally as clever. You get deadly disease deniers. 

 

For reference, I know 2 people that have died from Coronavirus, and directly from it. Granted not friends or family but people I have worked with. I have close family who are nurses who have witnessed people suffering from it and were rushed off their feet in APril and early May because of it.

 

A lot of momentum gathering behind people denying the virus and/or underestimating it.

 

I am all for getting back to work and getting back to normal but I also see absolutely no harm in taking precautions with distancing and wearing a mask in shops etc. It's not a big deal and could prevent you or someone you know from losing a loved one.

Edited 31 August 2020 by lcfc278