Coronavirus Thread

[Stivo]

7 hours ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

Correct it should be easy to get the data required to actually tell the public how many of these deaths were actually due to Covid.

My gut feeling is they’ll soon be scratching around trying to find covid deaths if they haven’t already.

It’s on the uk dashboard under deaths.

 

they report two figures the 28 day which is quick and easy to calculate and the deaths with covid19 on the certificate which suffers from the problem that it takes on average 5 days for data to filter through and thus you have to discount the last 5 days of data as they are incomplete.

 

 

[z-layrex]

1 hour ago, Otis said:

What's the main reason?

1. Burnout from the past year.
2. Trusts have seen that icu nurses coped with the terrible patient ratios and will look to make that more of a permanent thing through the use of Nursing Associates.
3. No significant pay rise. Public have gone from clapping on their doorsteps to saying we should be thankful to have a job. A lot of experienced critical care nurses are going "ok, I will go do something easier then if you're not going to pay me for my skills".

[Finnaldo]

2 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

1. Burnout from the past year.
2. Trusts have seen that icu nurses coped with the terrible patient ratios and will look to make that more of a permanent thing through the use of Nursing Associates.
3. No significant pay rise. Public have gone from clapping on their doorsteps to saying we should be thankful to have a job. A lot of experienced critical care nurses are going "ok, I will go do something easier then if you're not going to pay me for my skills".

Given all the news about it, what do you and your colleagues think would be an acceptable pay rise for your efforts?

[z-layrex]

4 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

Given all the news about it, what do you and your colleagues think would be an acceptable pay rise for your efforts?

12.5% is the RCN's figure.

[Paninistickers]

6 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

1. Burnout from the past year.
2. Trusts have seen that icu nurses coped with the terrible patient ratios and will look to make that more of a permanent thing through the use of Nursing Associates.
3. No significant pay rise. Public have gone from clapping on their doorsteps to saying we should be thankful to have a job. A lot of experienced critical care nurses are going "ok, I will go do something easier then if you're not going to pay me for my skills".

It's a tough gig, but there are always spin offs.

 

i went out with a critical.care nurse for a few months. Three tough 12 hour shifts a week but she had soooooo much holiday it was unbelievable. Was always wangling shifts so she'd have a clear 8 or 9 day work free run. And also frequently did bank shifts to top up her half decent band 5 wage. And paid study time. 

[z-layrex]

18 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

It's a tough gig, but there are always spin offs.

 

i went out with a critical.care nurse for a few months. Three tough 12 hour shifts a week but she had soooooo much holiday it was unbelievable. Was always wangling shifts so she'd have a clear 8 or 9 day work free run. And also frequently did bank shifts to top up her half decent band 5 wage. And paid study time. 

So what? 13 shifts a month is the same as a 37.5 hour working week (and they dont pay you for your breaks). If she groups her shifts so she has a nice run of days off she still worked all the hours either side to have those days off in a row. Also why should I have to work even more hours to top up my shit pay?

 

Nurses have 8.5 weeks of annual leave a year after 10 years of service, but you dont get bank holidays so it's not like it's a ridiculous amount. It's literally one of the few benefits you get.

 

The public are generally hypocrites. They dont want to pay for the best, but expect the best treatment for their loved ones if they're in hospital. You want us to have up to date knowledge and courses, but nurses have to pay for all their ongoing education because there's no money for it apparently. 

Edited 11 April 2021 by z-layrex

[Izzy]

32 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

1. Public have gone from clapping on their doorsteps to saying we should be thankful to have a job.

 

7 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

 

The public are generally hypocrites. They dont want to pay for the best, but expect the best treatment for their loved ones if they're in hospital. You want us to have up to date knowledge and courses, but nurses have to pay for all their ongoing education because there's no money for it apparently. 

You sound bitter.

[z-layrex]

2 minutes ago, Izzy said:

 

You sound bitter.

Absolutely. 

 

And our unions are pathetic, they've just rolled over after a bit of a moan, like they do every time. We were all fully up for striking.

Edited 11 April 2021 by z-layrex

[z-layrex]

And please dont get me wrong, I'm not one of these militant socialist NHS workers, I get really annoyed at the entitlement and fart sniffing of some of them. I just want to be paid the appropriate amount for a skillset that I spent years building, as any trade do. Nursing is not a vocation.

[Samilktray]

5 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

Lost two people from my pre covid Leicester office this weekend, both after having received the vaccine apparently. Both left young children and were still young themselves, it's absolutely tragic. The lad was one of our own, too, followed City and England home and away. 

I think I know the lad you’re referring to (a massive coincidence if it isn’t him) he was a good bloke and it’s absolutely tragic. 2 in the same place of work is very concerning as somebody who is yet to have the vaccine. 

[st albans fox]

45 minutes ago, z-layrex said:

So what? 13 shifts a month is the same as a 37.5 hour working week (and they dont pay you for your breaks). If she groups her shifts so she has a nice run of days off she still worked all the hours either side to have those days off in a row. Also why should I have to work even more hours to top up my shit pay?

 

Nurses have 8.5 weeks of annual leave a year after 10 years of service, but you dont get bank holidays so it's not like it's a ridiculous amount. It's literally one of the few benefits you get.

 

The public are generally hypocrites. They dont want to pay for the best, but expect the best treatment for their loved ones if they're in hospital. You want us to have up to date knowledge and courses, but nurses have to pay for all their ongoing education because there's no money for it apparently. 

That’s at least 30 days holiday once bank holidays are deducted  ......  most private sector workers get 20 days plus bank holidays so that’s not too bad. I wouldn’t swap though! 

[Soup]

It's interesting to see how the media over here don't seem to mention when a blood clot death happens. Other countries in Europe do straight away, they do say it could be coincidental but they report it nevertheless .

 

As more incidents happen I wonder if this will change.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

 

[Webbo]

7 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

Lost two people from my pre covid Leicester office this weekend, both after having received the vaccine apparently. Both left young children and were still young themselves, it's absolutely tragic. The lad was one of our own, too, followed City and England home and away. 

I think it might be my nephew (Danny) you're talking about. I'm devastated.

Edited 11 April 2021 by Webbo

[Samilktray]

6 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I think it might be my nephew (Danny) you're talking about. I'm devastated.

Sending condolences to you and your family at what must be a heartbreaking time for you all. He was a really good lad and will be greatly missed by many. 

[bovril]

31 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I think it might be my nephew (Danny) you're talking about. I'm devastated.

I am so sorry. My thoughts are with you and your family. 

[Izzy]

42 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I think it might be my nephew (Danny) you're talking about. I'm devastated.

Shit, I'm really sorry to hear that mate 

[Costock_Fox]

44 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I think it might be my nephew (Danny) you're talking about. I'm devastated.

Sorry to hear that mate, horrible news.

[StanSP]

50 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I think it might be my nephew (Danny) you're talking about. I'm devastated.

Very sorry to hear this

Thinking of you and your family. 

[Alf Bentley]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

I think it might be my nephew (Danny) you're talking about. I'm devastated.

 

Shocking news - and desperately unlucky if he was (presumably) young and at a time when the pandemic is waning. Sorry to hear about this upset for you and close family.

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

I think it might be my nephew (Danny) you're talking about. I'm devastated.

Crap news that, all the best mate.

[Webbo]

4 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Shocking news - and desperately unlucky if he was (presumably) young and at a time when the pandemic is waning. Sorry to hear about this upset for you and close family.

It was the vaccine that killed him, not covid. A million to one chance. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

4 hours ago, z-layrex said:

12.5% is the RCN's figure.

That's never gonna happen is it? At best they'll give you 2-3% I'd imagine.

 

I'm a public sector engineer and even we've been told to expect redundancies, as well as a pay freeze for 2 years. They've also said to expect our T&Cs and benefits to get a lot worse, hopefully our union won't take it lying down.

 

 

Under 2k cases (1730) today for the first time since 5th September btw.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

I think it might be my nephew (Danny) you're talking about. I'm devastated.

 

38 minutes ago, Webbo said:

It was the vaccine that killed him, not covid. A million to one chance. 

Sending big love to you and yours mate x

[WigstonWanderer]

5 hours ago, Webbo said:

It was the vaccine that killed him, not covid. A million to one chance. 

Really very sorry to hear that. Condolences to you and your family.

 

Very unlikely to be a million to one chance if there were 2 such tragedies in one office. Either something else is responsible or the vaccine needs even more examination. Authorities need to be scrupulously honest or confidence in vaccination will wane.