Possible 2nd lockdown for Leicester?

[Fightforever]

2 hours ago, OadbyBlue said:

What about all the white British people who had lovely trips to the beach in that time period?

This

 

No ones been listening to lockdown advice properly yet some people will try to make it a race thing.

[Gamble92]

18 hours ago, weller54 said:

Due to a spike in infections..

Could this mean our Home games are under threat?

Just decide our games on a points pee game basis and give us the 3rd place we deserve. 

[Chrysalis]

3 hours ago, Fightforever said:

This

 

No ones been listening to lockdown advice properly yet some people will try to make it a race thing.

If I am been honest, the few I do see wearing masks round here are mostly ethnic minorities.

 

The few who have shoved their face right in front of me at my door have all been white.

 

We dont know the reasons yet for those areas, I suspect BLM protests have been a factor, but its only a guess, we need to remember we are speculating.

[FoxFossil]

2 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

Just decide our games on a points pee game basis and give us the 3rd place we deserve. 

Just taking the P*ss.

[weller54]

3 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

Just decide our games on a points pee game basis and give us the 3rd place we deserve. 

We deserve nothing until we've played 38 games!

[Chrysalis]

Looks like we just going to get a 2 week delay for opening of hospitality.

[TheUltimateWinner]

I'm no public health expert, but surely if they're spreading under current restrictions, then just continuing current restrictions isn't really going to help?

[Chrysalis]

No but they will be seen to be doing something.

[David Hankey]

11 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

'And more folk die of flu each year so I don't get to excited about all these technical details. Life is to be enjoyed not to be constantly worrying about hypothetical nonsense. Show me as many charts as you like. The fact is "the average number of deaths in England for the last 5 flu seasons was 17000". I doubt deaths from Coronavirus in England will get anywhere near that figure in a similar period'

 

This was what you said previously, so I was just pointing out that you've changed your tune. 

Ah, we can all be wiser with the benefit of hindsight. It is quite possible that the UK death rate from Coronavirus would have been a lot less had the Government acted earlier and that folk followed the guidelines. It is not me who has "changed my tune" but commented on how I see things NOW!!

 

I fully expect a second wave when you consider the antics of those in Leicester, London, Bristol, Bournemouth, the Lake District and elsewhere.

[dynamark]

I think we all know where the conclusions are going to be when this is accurately reported.Highfeilds and North Evington densely populated realtivley elderly ethnic population multi generation households and naturally very sociable groups ,eid probably significant .We are speculating to an extent but last time I checked 2 and 2 made 4

[davieG]

Government wants Leicester to lock down for 2 more weeks
Sir Peter Soulsby said he received an email in the early hours recommending current measures stay in place for another fortnight

ByDan MartinPolitics ReporterAmy OrtonLocal Democracy Reporter
08:10, 29 JUN 2020UPDATED09:09, 29 JUN 2020


Sir Peter Soulsby received an email at 1am with recommendations that the city should stay “under current lockdown restrictions” for a further two weeks, the city mayor has said.

Asked what the Government report says, Leicester's mayor said: “Not very much, all of the dramatic stuff about local lockdown has diminished to two more weeks of present restrictions, perhaps.

“The report itself doesn’t give any good reason why we should do that and is obviously written by someone who doesn’t know the city.”

He told LeicestershireLive the report, which he received by email at 1.04am today, was 'inaccurate, put together in a rush and failing to make the case for the action it proposes.'

He said the report says the current lockdown restrictions should remain in Leicester for a fortnight from July 4, when in other parts of the country businesses like pubs and restaurants are allowed to re-open.

Sir Peter told BBC Radio Leicester that the Government report reads as though it has “hastily been cobbled together in an attempt to do something”.

Sticking to current restrictions would mean that pubs and restaurants braced to open this weekend could face further delays inviting customers back.

Despite the email, Sir Peter said he is not convinced that Leicester should be treated any differently to anywhere else.

He admitted that at this stage he does not know who would make such a decision or how it would be enforced.

He described the whole situation as "intensely frustrating" and said that the Government have been "very, very difficult" to communicate with.

A meeting that was scheduled for 9am today, between Government officials, Department for Health and Social Care (DHSC) and Public Health England has now been postponed.

Talk of a local lockdown ramped up this weekend but until now, there has been no indication as to what it would look like.

The city council have been repeatedly asking Public Health and DHSC for up to date and detailed data about where cases are.

The Government has not answered key questions about the issue that were submitted to it yesterday by LeicestershireLive.

Officials at Leicester City Council today released the latest statistics from Public Health England some 11 days after Health Secretary Matt Hancock said there had been an outbreak of the virus in the city.

Up to June 23, 2,987 people in the city have tested positive Covid-19, with 866 of them, 29 per cent, in the two weeks up to then.

Anyone in Leicester who has symptoms, or thinks they have been in contact with someone who has, can book a test at nhs.uk/coronavirus or by calling 119.

 

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/government-wants-leicester-lockdown-2-4273027

[RonnieTodger]

Why does it have to be one thing or another that’s caused it? It’s probably a culmination of them all. 
 

 

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

43 minutes ago, dynamark said:

I think we all know where the conclusions are going to be when this is accurately reported.Highfeilds and North Evington densely populated realtivley elderly ethnic population multi generation households and naturally very sociable groups ,eid probably significant .We are speculating to an extent but last time I checked 2 and 2 made 4

But what are you basing your speculation on ? Again, it seems from the press that there has been no significant increase in Leicester hospital admission as a result of COVID 19. Yet there is an increase in infections - why ? 

 

Is it because the NHS once this track and trace system has been rolled out it targeted (rightly so) mostly those from an ethnic minority background (due to the risk factors) and if so, is that why there is a higher level of infection results coming from (or allegedly because I dont think the Govt have provided the council with enough information to determine that yet) those from a non-white background ? Or, possibly, could it be because those from the ethnic minority backgrounds are doing the right thing and getting themselves tested ? If so, it begs the serious question as to what is the infection rate in areas not so populated by those from an ethnic minority. If we blanket our response as "eid is probably significant" we are not going to eradicate this problem. Let's be frank, we have all seen the news and it is clear as day that people from all backgrounds have not followed the rules. I mean, lets be frank if eid was "probably significant" London, Birmingham, Manchester, Yorkshire, Glasgow etc. should all show a very clear spike in infections. 

 

What I am saying is that until someone can categorically set out: a) the reason for the positive results; b) the reason behind the lack of significant increase in hospitals in the city; c) the testing results of those areas less so populated with ethnic minorities; and d) a clear data supported analysis that the opinion that the cause is the lifestyle of the asian community, 2 + 2 does not in this instance equal 4 yet. 

 

If we do not understand the cause, the city, its people and its businesses are going to be at a catastrophic risk. We will keep seeing increases if we do not get to the source of the cause and we will not fully understand the source if all  not getting tested correctly. 

[StanSP]

 

 

[Christoph]

By lockdown i think the only thing that will happen is extending the time that the pubs/hairdressers stay closed. I cant see it being a proper lockdown like we had in April/May.  

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

Is this just for the city or the county as a whole?

[Voll Blau]

 

Pretty damning from the Merc's politics guy. The government has known for weeks local lockdowns would be a possibility, so why no coherent plan for how to implement them or what they actually entail?

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

Is this just for the city or the county as a whole?

Localised lockdown based on data it seems

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, TheUltimateWinner said:

I'm no public health expert, but surely if they're spreading under current restrictions, then just continuing current restrictions isn't really going to help?

The difficultly is that at the point you've been tested and confirmed positive, it's too late. Decisions here are made on data which in real life is two weeks old.  

 

The virus was infectious either side of the test - symptoms or otherwise. Hence you are wholly dependent on human compliance regardless of restrictions. In reality the scenario could be worse or better at this point now - but you don't have the data until a week or two later. 

 

Equally the increase here seems to show how widespread the virus is - the level of testing now highlighting numerous cases without symptoms or mild symptoms. 

Edited 29 June 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[Innovindil]

6 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

 

Pretty damning from the Merc's politics guy. The government has known for weeks local lockdowns would be a possibility, so why no coherent plan for how to implement them or what they actually entail?

Pubs and restaurants in Leicester may stay closed for two more weeks due to a surge in coronavirus cases, the city's mayor has said.

Sir Peter Soulsby said the government has recommended current restrictions are maintained for a further fortnight.

 

Whats confusing? The restrictions that were due to be lifted 4th July, will now be lifted 2 weeks later, IF Sir Donkey agrees to follow government suggestions. 

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

 so why no coherent plan for how to implement them or what they actually entail?

Dunno - some of us moaned at the lack of clarity at the various stages of easing lockdown.

 

I am now at the stage why don't know if there are rules other than the obvious 2 metres etc. It's clear as mud. Small example you can play football in sixes at social distancing. But you can't play a game. You can use the same ball and same kit. Public six a side ball courts are back open though. You can't play cricket cos that involves sharing the same ball.  

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

 

Whats confusing? The restrictions that were due to be lifted 4th July, will now be lifted 2 weeks later, IF Sir Donkey agrees to follow government suggestions. 

Voll Blau didn't say confusing. Lack of coherence. A 1am e-mail of recommendations suggests that.

 

18th June, Hancock said there's an outbreak in Leicester based upon information of peaks on 8th and 11th June. 

Priti Patel ten days later suggests a local lockdown. 

A day later, there's recommendations in an e-mail and a cancelled meeting between parties. 

 

Also are the government recommending or enforcing? 

[Chrysalis]

Had another think about this.

 

I have been unable to find data for other cities that shows both palletes of data, many of the news vendors seem to be only showing hospital results (pallete a).  For leics, the hospital cases are low, same as other areas, the surge is in the new wider public testing.

 

From a political point of view, to keep people not getting too confident a government would want something to show we not in the clear yet, so reporting a local surge, is perfect for that.  I find it hard to believe we are the only area in the country with a surge.

 

Leicester has always been a city that governments whether labour or tory abandon, it gets barely any investment or other attention, so to be picked for a local lockdown wouldnt be surprising, I know this is a wild out there view, but until I see solid data from the other cities, I will speculate.

 

We are also now in a trap, as a result of this "surge" we now have activated more testing units, which means more been tested, and more confirmed cases.  We effectively need to get below the national average for confirmed cases per tests to get down to average cases levels.

Edited 29 June 2020 by Chrysalis

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

17 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Localised lockdown based on data it seems

I'll be chuckling through my telescope from liberated Loughborough on July 4th then

 

...have they made that date on purpose as it's Independence Day?

[Innovindil]

Just now, Cardiff_Fox said:

Voll Blau didn't say confusing. Lack of coherence. A 1am e-mail of recommendations suggests that.

 

18th June, Hancock said there's an outbreak in Leicester based upon information of peaks on 8th and 11th June. 

Priti Patel ten days later suggests a local lockdown. 

A day later, there's recommendations in an e-mail and a cancelled meeting between parties. 

 

Also are the government recommending or enforcing? 

Let me try this again. Something has got muddled.

 

Sir Peter Soulsby said the government has recommended

 

Keep following.

 

current restrictions

 

Yup, the same restrictions in place now, not priti's suggested local lockdown, or claudia webbe's lockdown.

 

are maintained for a further fortnight.

 

Yup, 2 more weeks.

 

One more time so we get some coherence. Recommended, current restrictions, 2 more weeks. Now whether Sir Donkey agrees to it is on him, as I expect if he wants to follow Claudia's full lockdown would be in his hands too. Let's be honest, if cases were rising while current restrictions were in place, then that is on the people who are breaking them. Who, I'd add, would probably break them again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯