FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 3 minutes ago, NaijaFox said: I feel it's "absolutely fine" to hold one view and yet support another person's right to hold a different (even opposing) view. And that makes it right? I repeat: How do you expect people who are LGBT to support the team when we have a player like Mendy who is publicly against them?
iancognito Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 At the risk of upsetting someone, somewhere, I'm not sure it's that disappointing. You have to remember his country has banned homosexuality and made it a criminal offence. However wrong, immoral or reprehensible that it, it's not his fault that he's been brought up in a country and by people that think that way. Maybe he has no problem with the rainbow symbols or flags or even homosexuality itself but in that country it's a crime, the same as robbery, arson or murder. In his 5 years here I've never seen him say or do anything anti-homosexual and as far as I know he's always taken part in whatever on-field stuff we've done to support Pride. He's shown support for a team mate, nothing more. 2
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 1 minute ago, iancognito said: At the risk of upsetting someone, somewhere, I'm not sure it's that disappointing. You have to remember his country has banned homosexuality and made it a criminal offence. However wrong, immoral or reprehensible that it, it's not his fault that he's been brought up in a country and by people that think that way. Maybe he has no problem with the rainbow symbols or flags or even homosexuality itself but in that country it's a crime, the same as robbery, arson or murder. In his 5 years here I've never seen him say or do anything anti-homosexual and as far as I know he's always taken part in whatever on-field stuff we've done to support Pride. He's shown support for a team mate, nothing more. Mate, he was born in France, western Europe.... Last I saw, France hadn't made homosexuality illegal
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 3 minutes ago, iancognito said: At the risk of upsetting someone, somewhere, I'm not sure it's that disappointing. You have to remember his country has banned homosexuality and made it a criminal offence. However wrong, immoral or reprehensible that it, it's not his fault that he's been brought up in a country and by people that think that way. Maybe he has no problem with the rainbow symbols or flags or even homosexuality itself but in that country it's a crime, the same as robbery, arson or murder. In his 5 years here I've never seen him say or do anything anti-homosexual and as far as I know he's always taken part in whatever on-field stuff we've done to support Pride. He's shown support for a team mate, nothing more. And to add to this Why does it seem acceptable to stand by a team mate showing disregard to gay rights/homosexuality ect ect. But would you say the same if Mendy was showing support to someone who was showing discrimination on other topics such as race or religion? Why is sexuality more acceptable to be against than other prejudice 4
sm1 Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 38 minutes ago, NaijaFox said: For the record I personally support LGBTQ+ but let's not conflate disparate issues... Surely Papy does not have to share Gueye's views to support Gueye's rights to hold such views. As Voltaire I believe wrote, " I dont agree with what you say, but will defend your right to say it." 3
cruzFOX Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 I really hope this isn’t blowing itself out of all proportion. I really like Mendy as a player and person. we need some perspective here. The club has already said they will talk to him about the issue of social media communication etiquette which is good as all players should get a refresher in that. I’d have preferred Mendy stayed out of the debate and not posted anything but hey Ho he will live and learn. other players have done much much worse on SM so leave Mendy alone. He is allowed to have personal opinions about anything just like you and I but while he’s playing for us it’s best he keeps his head down and sticks to footy. 1
iancognito Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 4 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said: And to add to this Why does it seem acceptable to stand by a team mate showing disregard to gay rights/homosexuality ect ect. But would you say the same if Mendy was showing support to someone who was showing discrimination on other topics such as race or religion? Why is sexuality more acceptable to be against than other prejudice It isn't and haven't said anything of the such, you're the only one making that point. I seem to recall Wes and Fofana holing up a Palestinian flag after the cup final and no-one making comments about them being anti-Jewish because they were showing support. 9 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said: Mate, he was born in France, western Europe.... Last I saw, France hadn't made homosexuality illegal Regardless of the country of his birth, his family is Senegalese. He plays in a team who have mainly been born in Senegal and who will have those beliefs from their upbringing. His mate is getting some stick for his gesture and he's offering his support/sympathy. Whatever anyone else feels about it in this country, you have to accept there are people in certain parts of the world who have had different upbringings, different beliefs imposed on them. He's been asked to remove the post, he has, it's done. I'm going to assume you won't be watching the World Cup in December because the Qatari views of homosexuality, let alone worker's rights and slavery, make Senegal seem like the G.A.Y nightclub in comparison. 2
Paninistickers Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 25 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said: And that makes it right? I repeat: How do you expect people who are LGBT to support the team when we have a player like Mendy who is publicly against them? I think the excellent posts by @NaijaFoxhas addressed this. There are absolutely zero clues as to whether Papy holds any kind of view on LGBTQ+ issues. Just as an aside, what did you think last year when lil Wes and Hamza waved the Palestinian flag at Wembley?
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 1 minute ago, Paninistickers said: I think the excellent posts by @NaijaFoxhas addressed this. There are absolutely zero clues as to whether Papy holds any kind of view on LGBTQ+ issues. Just as an aside, what did you think last year when lil Wes and Hamza waved the Palestinian flag at Wembley? If my mate put on socials saying I refuse to stand by isreal because I hate Jews, regardless of friendship I would not stand by them. Why would I want to be seen supporting someone views if I didn't hold them myself. And supporting Palestinians being invaded by isreali forces and having their country taken away slowly over decades is hardly the same as homophobia. Unless they had other motives behind it. 10 minutes ago, iancognito said: It isn't and haven't said anything of the such, you're the only one making that point. I seem to recall Wes and Fofana holing up a Palestinian flag after the cup final and no-one making comments about them being anti-Jewish because they were showing support. Regardless of the country of his birth, his family is Senegalese. He plays in a team who have mainly been born in Senegal and who will have those beliefs from their upbringing. His mate is getting some stick for his gesture and he's offering his support/sympathy. Whatever anyone else feels about it in this country, you have to accept there are people in certain parts of the world who have had different upbringings, different beliefs imposed on them. He's been asked to remove the post, he has, it's done. I'm going to assume you won't be watching the World Cup in December because the Qatari views of homosexuality, let alone worker's rights and slavery, make Senegal seem like the G.A.Y nightclub in comparison. Coming from a certain background doesn't mean you have to live by their views. He chooses too, as he chose to stand by someone expressing those views. Also... You're absolutely right I will not be watching or supporting the world cup. It's unbelievable how the slavery, murders, and abysmal human rights disregard has been overlooked by the people at the top, simply by a fat brown envelope coming their way.
iancognito Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 31 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said: Coming from a certain background doesn't mean you have to live by their views. He chooses too, as he chose to stand by someone expressing those views. Also... You're absolutely right I will not be watching or supporting the world cup. It's unbelievable how the slavery, murders, and abysmal human rights disregard has been overlooked by the people at the top, simply by a fat brown envelope coming their way. Firstly, that's not the real world. If you are from a culture where something has been the only view for decades even hundreds of years, just saying "I'm going to be different" isn't that easy. Secondly, good for you. I hope there's a lot more with that opinion. 2
gurru991 Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 46 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said: Also... You're absolutely right I will not be watching or supporting the world cup. It's unbelievable how the slavery, murders, and abysmal human rights disregard has been overlooked by the people at the top, simply by a fat brown envelope coming their way. The upcoming World Cup is an embarrassment to the world of football. It tells everyone that money will always take precedent over moral values. 4
Lambert09 Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 (edited) i wonder how mendy would feel if a russian player refused to to wear a say no to racism arm band and a russian team mate showed his support on social media. You can’t only support a cause that is for you! imagine how a gay player in our team would feel about this right now. Imagine if sammy braybooke (or anyone, not speculating just an example) was being mentored by him and it turned out he was gay? it’s just a nasty thing to have around the club. Edited 21 May 2022 by Lambert09 1
fuchsntf Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 6 hours ago, filbertway said: He rated him so highly that we were trying to foist him off to any club that would be willing to pay Considering we're already a team full of midgets though I'd prefer someone more physical to do the job of playing simple 5 yard passes and being made out to look like prime Makelele. Never said we were not trying to sell him..If club had an interested buyer,I am sure he would of gone before last season, but situations and then performances will always see, manager,club & player take a different stance ,opinion & approach. Some Sport careers are made or ruined on twist of fate.. 1
filbertway Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 50 minutes ago, fuchsntf said: Never said we were not trying to sell him..If club had an interested buyer,I am sure he would of gone before last season, but situations and then performances will always see, manager,club & player take a different stance ,opinion & approach. Some Sport careers are made or ruined on twist of fate.. This is very true. On another timeline Vardy has been a party rep in Ibiza for 9 years and is riddled with STD's
volpeazzurro Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 3 hours ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said: And that makes it right? I repeat: How do you expect people who are LGBT to support the team when we have a player like Mendy who is publicly against them? You shouldn't presume or expect them to do anything. If a gay person refuses to support a team whose squad contains one individual that doesn't openly support their way of life or practices, that's totally up to them. A gay person has an absolute right in this country not to be discriminated against and quite rightly so. However, just because an individual wouldn't discriminate against a person, doesn't mean that they have to agree or even like them, whether that be due to their religion, culture or just personal choice. It works both ways.
Popular Post PhillippaT Posted 21 May 2022 Popular Post Posted 21 May 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said: And that makes it right? I repeat: How do you expect people who are LGBT to support the team when we have a player like Mendy who is publicly against them? Meh. So long as he doesn't try altering the laws to force everyone else to obey such a perception, I don't really care... EDIT: Put it this way - If I wasn't allowed to support any team which had someone in it I didn't like as a person, I probably wouldn't be supporting anyone Edited 21 May 2022 by PhillippaT 5
He aint bald Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 Had the dubious pleasure of reading the other Mendy thread before it was dumped in the bin, I dislike the antiquated ideas fundamental to many religions but we are asked to tolerate belefs..... and mostly I do I also dislike people who infer that if you are not with them, you are a bigot...... actually used on some poor soul in the dead thread- I fear that come the revolution, I will be getting stoned to death regardless of who wins- 9 minutes ago, PhillippaT said: Meh. So long as he doesn't try altering the laws to force everyone else to obey such a perception, I don't really care... EDIT: Put it this way - If I wasn't allowed to support any team which had someone in it I didn't like as a person, I probably wouldn't be supporting anyone So, said little to offend anyone but PhillippaT interupted my chain of thought........ Phillipa, I always imagine you as a 30 year old artist living in a spacious West london basement flat. A bit posh. Do I get a biscuit?
fuchsntf Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 53 minutes ago, filbertway said: This is very true. On another timeline Vardy has been a party rep in Ibiza for 9 years and is riddled with STD's He may have had a secret life... Split between Ibiza-Party -rep, & Butlins blue-coat.. 2
Le Renard Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 Do we know Mendy's true intentions? No is the answer, all he did was support a friend and team mate, which we've all done in the past, it is not a crime. Some on here have already got their pitchforks out and are incandescent with rage that he should be kicked out of the club, where is the toleration from these people? Shouldn't we judge people when we know the facts? This seems to have become forgotten, we now have to be outraged, can't we just be disappointed, but forgiving or wait for the facts? Before anyone has a go and accuse me of be anti LGBTQ....WXY, I have a daughter who is part of this community! So save your breath to cool your porridge. 2
fuchsntf Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 6 minutes ago, Le Renard said: Do we know Mendy's true intentions? No is the answer, all he did was support a friend and team mate, which we've all done in the past, it is not a crime. Some on here have already got their pitchforks out and are incandescent with rage that he should be kicked out of the club, where is the toleration from these people? Shouldn't we judge people when we know the facts? This seems to have become forgotten, we now have to be outraged, can't we just be disappointed, but forgiving or wait for the facts? Before anyone has a go and accuse me of be anti LGBTQ....WXY, I have a daughter who is part of this community! So save your breath to cool your porridge. Porridge made with.. Weetabix & Frosties.
PhillippaT Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, He aint bald said: Had the dubious pleasure of reading the other Mendy thread before it was dumped in the bin, I dislike the antiquated ideas fundamental to many religions but we are asked to tolerate belefs..... and mostly I do I also dislike people who infer that if you are not with them, you are a bigot...... actually used on some poor soul in the dead thread- I fear that come the revolution, I will be getting stoned to death regardless of who wins- So, said little to offend anyone but PhillippaT interupted my chain of thought........ Phillipa, I always imagine you as a 30 year old artist living in a spacious West london basement flat. A bit posh. Do I get a biscuit? Artist? Nope. My Dad (and his Dad) are musicians, but I think, (well, I KNOW!), it skipped a generation with me I'm just an Admin/CSA for a small-but-very-upmarket residential lettings company, owned by committee (including my Mum!), that owns the properties they let after splitting from a bigger property management company owned by some foreign billionaire or SWF. I also, (with my wife, of course), live in a fairly big house on the Lewisham/Greenwich border in London (that my Mum owns) so (You may ascertain from this that it's my Mum that has all the money in this family, and you'd be right ) As for my age, well, thanks for the underestimation Edited 21 May 2022 by PhillippaT 1
majaco Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 If Mendy is being homophobic,, we should move him on. This is in the same week that the first current pro football player came out. Respect to Jake Daniels. There are probably hundreds of secretly LGBTQ+ players in the professional game. Many people aren't cis and straight. Some of the Senegalese team need to grow up. As role models, they should rise above their limitations. Mendy chose to show support. Drop him. Bin him. 2
woznotwos Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 5 hours ago, filbertway said: This is very true. On another timeline Vardy has been a party rep in Ibiza for 9 years and is riddled with STD's He could have been my wingman
SheppyFox Posted 21 May 2022 Posted 21 May 2022 How exactly is equality achieved, globally? How do we beat homophobia, racism, sexism, animal cruelty, domestic violence and the many other issues we face, when so many people.. from so many different nations with so many different beliefs/religions have incompatible ways of life and moral compasses? Non-specific to this particular debate, but there are parts of the world where any one or more of the above may be socially acceptable. I think these issues are generational and unfortunately will take generations to put right, and that’s in the UK, which overall I believe to be quite a progressive and accepting country to live in.
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