Rain King Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said: I'd argue even Keller, Flowers and Walker in recent history were on a par. Not dismissing Kasper, but as has been said, we've had some good keepers. Jesus, Keller made some great saves but was incredibly dodgy too. Walker was awful for the most part. Flowers was good for a season or two. Kasper is so far ahead of those 3 in what he has achieved and how he has performed for Leicester. Imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: Flowers better than Schmeichel!? Yes for me personally in his day. He was right at the end of his career when we had him. There's more to being a goalkeeper than just shot stopping which is arguably Schmeichel's best asset which is quite a big one. He's really quite poor in others area if an unbiased point of view is taken I think. Edited 19 March 2021 by volpeazzurro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 2 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: Yes for me personally in his day. He was right at the end of his career when we had him. So by that reasoning, surely Schmeichel has been the better keeper for us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 Just now, HighPeakFox said: So by that reasoning, surely Schmeichel has been the better keeper for us. I think that's a very fair point when you put it like that and, in fairness I suppose that was the original question and not the overall best goalkeeper. So in fairness you may well be right though it would still be a close call for me personally. Flowers remained good at commanding his area whereas from a corner, with Schmeichel, he is of very little use at all to be honest. His distribution is also really quite poor. Flowers on those two counts was still better but not as mobile anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, st albans fox said: You’re clearly not as old as some of us .... Wasn't born until a season or so after Shilton went to Stoke. Also he was good enough to win the league us, which pushes him above them for me. Edited 19 March 2021 by coolhandfox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Corky Posted 19 March 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 19 March 2021 I think Schmeichel is unfairly viewed with regards to his distribution. No goalkeeper in living memory at Leicester has had to play out from the back as Schmeichel does. His long kicking is the best I've seen. He's had to develop the passing side of his game in the past few years and it hasn't been straightforward, I think he's improving though. His presence is massive. Keller made some fine saves, Flowers was agile for his age and Walker had spells of great form but Schmeichel is the best of the lot. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HighPeakFox Posted 19 March 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 19 March 2021 Also, legends of the past improve with age, and their errors fade from memory. I think Schmeichel is remarkably good, week on week. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustynail Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 1 hour ago, fox_favourite said: Yeah, I mean Rab Douglas was excellent. How dare you, how very dare you. How could you not mention Kevin Pressman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, volpeazzurro said: Yes for me personally in his day. He was right at the end of his career when we had him. There's more to being a goalkeeper than just shot stopping which is arguably Schmeichel's best asset which is quite a big one. He's really quite poor in others area if an unbiased point of view is taken I think. It depends what we mean by “best” if you mean in a vacuum just skill vs skill then, sure, make your case. (I’d disagree but it’s up for debate at least). But if by best, we mean the whole package of skill, longevity, honours and overall impact and influence at the club, you can’t seriously be comparing 50 odd game Flowers, with 410+ game Schmeichel who won 2 league titles, including the PL and helped us get to the CL quarters!? Edited 19 March 2021 by Les-TA-Jon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 Unpopular opinion alert: Peter Stilton, whilst a good keeper for us, got better as a goalkeeper after he left us. He was about 25 when he left as a top goalkeeper, but he developed into a world class goalkeeper after he left Leicester. Banks left us as a world class goalkeeper- he is the number one in an all time Leicester XI easily. Kasper though for me, in terms of what he’s done at Leicester is second choice - a country mile ahead of walker and Keller. Shilton third, Wellington 4th and Flowers 5th 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sampson Posted 19 March 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) Yeah. I find it baffling when people talk about Flowers, Keller and Walker being on par or even better than Schmeichel for us. That is nothing more than nostalgia by people who grew up on those goalkeepers. Flowers, to be fair, was very reliable for 18 months or so before rapidly declining, but never reached the heights or had the shot stopping ability as Schmeichel. Keller and Walker were decent for our level at the time but both were erratic and error prone. That seems to get forgotten in time. Walker I'd argue was only really great for us at Championship level, he made loads of high profile errors in 03-04. Keller was infamous for being erratic and error prone too. Not dismissing them as good players for us who should be well remembered, but they were nowhere near Schmeichel's level for us. It's only rose-tinted nostalgia that's overlooking their flaws compared to the more immediate memories of Schmeichel. Edited 19 March 2021 by Sampson 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Fox Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 6 minutes ago, Aus Fox said: Unpopular opinion alert: Peter Stilton, whilst a good keeper for us, got better as a goalkeeper after he left us. He was about 25 when he left as a top goalkeeper, but he developed into a world class goalkeeper after he left Leicester. Banks left us as a world class goalkeeper- he is the number one in an all time Leicester XI easily. Kasper though for me, in terms of what he’s done at Leicester is second choice - a country mile ahead of walker and Keller. Shilton third, Wellington 4th and Flowers 5th Not an unpopular opinion with me. Your 1 to 5 is spot on for me apart from Wallington in place of Wellington. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain King Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 Absolutely love the bloke. Just superb and consistent year after year. Danny Ward must be sick of the sight of him. He still hasn't made a league appearance for us! Model professional who leads by example. We signed him just after the birth of my son, my son is now a 10 year old season ticket holder and he's his favourite player. Not many players hang around for that long and very few make such an impression. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 8 minutes ago, Blue Fox 72 said: Not an unpopular opinion with me. Your 1 to 5 is spot on for me apart from Wallington in place of Wellington. Whoops autocorrect- or maybe he was from New Zealand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 He’s been flawless this season. Best keeper in the league based on this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrefelderFox666 Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 18 minutes ago, Aus Fox said: Unpopular opinion alert: Peter Stilton, whilst a good keeper for us, got better as a goalkeeper after he left us. He was about 25 when he left as a top goalkeeper, but he developed into a world class goalkeeper after he left Leicester. Banks left us as a world class goalkeeper- he is the number one in an all time Leicester XI easily. Kasper though for me, in terms of what he’s done at Leicester is second choice - a country mile ahead of walker and Keller. Shilton third, Wellington 4th and Flowers 5th Stilton does improve with age... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rain King Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 7th place in the all time top appearances for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Fox Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 1 minute ago, KrefelderFox666 said: Stilton does improve with age... Bloody hell I’ve had an absolute mare with this post! Stilton, Wellington time to go back to bed! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 4 hours ago, reynard said: Well you could turn this argument on its head and ask how today's players would have coped with poorer training, poorer diet, heavier balls, terrible pitches, smoking and boozing after matches, getting to the ground on the bus etc etc. My guess is that Banks and Shilton would have been just as good if not even better if they were playing today than if they played when they did. Simply two of the best keepers in living memory and when you've got it you've got it irrespective of when you played. All irrelevant really, Kasper is a good keeper and so were they. Personally, having seen them all play I'd say both Banks and Shilton were better as they had a better base level of all round keeping skills than Kasper. We've been lucky over the years to have a decent crop of keepers. Exactly my point - I completely agree. Hence why I rubbish the idea of 'best throughout history'. Who's to say Pele, Maradona, Shilton, Banks etc wouldn't be as mercurial if they were in their prime today? They obviously had the talent. I think it's rather irrefutable that the game has progressed massively since those days. That's no slight on days gone by or those particular aesthetics. I'd argue that competition is more fierce these days with the global outreach of the game and the professional status in most countries' top leagues (which was far from the case back then). The demands of a goalkeeper as you allude to have increased. Now they have to essentially act as another outfield player which was rather unthinkable in even the days of Peter Schmeichel. It's widely known Kasper is an avid student of the game and by Peter's own admission Kasper is far fitter and learned than he ever was in his prime. And Peter is generally regarded as 'one of the best' in his time so what conclusion can we draw from that? Not much. All this to say that it's rather simplistic to compare someone like Kasper and Shilton in a vacuum because the circumstances are so wildly different. I completely agree that this club has been blessed with some great goalkeepers throughout it's history and especially after the long dirge post-Walker, it's great to be able to say that Kasper is part of that wonderful array. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 27 minutes ago, Aus Fox said: Unpopular opinion alert: Peter Stilton, whilst a good keeper for us, got better as a goalkeeper after he left us. He was about 25 when he left as a top goalkeeper, but he developed into a world class goalkeeper after he left Leicester. Banks left us as a world class goalkeeper- he is the number one in an all time Leicester XI easily. Kasper though for me, in terms of what he’s done at Leicester is second choice - a country mile ahead of walker and Keller. Shilton third, Wellington 4th and Flowers 5th Peter Stilton got better as he matured. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shen Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 2 hours ago, Rustynail said: How dare you, how very dare you. How could you not mention Kevin Pressman Henderson looked like a world beater compared to Rab and Pieman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrefelderFox666 Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 7 minutes ago, Aus Fox said: Bloody hell I’ve had an absolute mare with this post! Stilton, Wellington time to go back to bed! Are you hungry by any chance? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmt Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 5 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said: I'd argue even Keller, Flowers and Walker in recent history were on a par. Not dismissing Kasper, but as has been said, we've had some good keepers. No way. Got to be trolling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 19 March 2021 Share Posted 19 March 2021 2 hours ago, Les-TA-Jon said: It depends what we mean by “best” if you mean in a vacuum just skill vs skill then, sure, make your case. (I’d disagree but it’s up for debate at least). But if by best, we mean the whole package of skill, longevity, honours and overall impact and influence at the club, you can’t seriously be comparing 50 odd game Flowers, with 410+ game Schmeichel who won 2 league titles, including the PL and helped us get to the CL quarters!? Good points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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