Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: Those two not enough!!! I'm not questioning them, I'm literally asking who you were referring to? Leicester has had a lot of good goalkeepers over the years. And it depends on what we mean by 'best'? Do we mean best skilled, on an individual basis? Do we mean impact? Do we mean achievements and honours? Do we mean longevity?
st albans fox Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: I'm not questioning them, I'm literally asking who you were referring to? Leicester has had a lot of good goalkeepers over the years. And it depends on what we mean by 'best'? Do we mean best skilled, on an individual basis? Do we mean impact? Do we mean achievements and honours? Do we mean longevity? We mean that banks and Stilton were among the ten best goalkeepers in history and they both played for us, one whilst winning the World Cup and the other whilst being simply the best out there .... Edited 19 March 2021 by st albans fox 3
Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, st albans fox said: We mean that banks and Stilton were among the ten best goalkeepers in history and they both played for us, one whilst winning the World Cup and the other whilst being simply the best out there .... Well I'm saying it's up for debate isn't it? This is all subjective/contestable stuff and it's hard to compare one era to another. Unless I'm misreading your tone (easily done on the internet) you seem to be trying to crowbar an argument out of this? @coolhandfox simply said KS is the best Leicester keeper in his lifetime, which seems a completely reasonable thing for anyone born since the 1970s to say. There's no need to be a 'gatekeeper' about it. Edited 19 March 2021 by Les-TA-Jon 3
shen Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, st albans fox said: We mean that banks and Stilton were among the ten best goalkeepers in history and they both played for us, one whilst winning the World Cup and the other whilst being simply the best out there .... OK I'll bite... You can argue that they among the best ten goalkeepers in the world at the time (I doubt many Brits had knowledge of foreign leagues and the quality of their goalkeepers back then, but I'll let it slide), but I think any of the top goalkeepers today would wipe the floor with the old guard. Just like you cannot compare Messi/Ronaldo to Pele/Maradona. The game is so different, from the pace of the game, to the make of the ball, the pitches, the style of play, the professionalism and athleticism. Edited 19 March 2021 by shen 1 1
shen Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) edit: double post Edited 19 March 2021 by shen
Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 11 minutes ago, st albans fox said: We mean that banks and Stilton were among the ten best goalkeepers in history and they both played for us, one whilst winning the World Cup and the other whilst being simply the best out there .... 1 minute ago, shen said: OK I'll bite... You can argue that they among the best ten goalkeepers in the world at the time (I doubt many Brits had knowledge of foreign leagues and the quality of their goalkeepers back then, but I'll let it slide), but I think any of the top goalkeepers today would wipe the floor with the old guard. Just like you cannot compare Messi/Ronaldo to Pele/Maradona. The game is so different, from the pace of the game, the make of the ball, the pitches, the style of play, the professionalism and athleticism. Also: we're talking about Leicester's best goalkeepers, not the best goalkeepers who ever played for Leicester. Do Shilton's european triumphs with Forest count? No.
st albans fox Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 My original comment was made as a throw away - wasn’t meant to elicit a debate it was just a note that we’ve had two of the best ever between the sticks (when they were in their prime) and that if you think that kasper is the best ever to play for us in your lifetime then you can’t be as old as me........ nothing more, nothing less .... not looking for an argument ... 2
Trav Le Bleu Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) I'd argue even Keller, Flowers and Walker in recent history were on a par. Not dismissing Kasper, but as has been said, we've had some good keepers. Edited 19 March 2021 by Trav Le Bleu 1
Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: I'd argue even Keller, Flowers and Walker in recent history were on a par. Not dismissing Kaspersky, but as has been said, we've had some good keepers. Again, that comes back to the 'what do we mean by best' argument? In terms of longevity, overall ability and honours Kasper is in a totally different bracket to those three. Edited 19 March 2021 by Les-TA-Jon 1
Popular Post Duquesne Whistle Posted 19 March 2021 Popular Post Posted 19 March 2021 1 hour ago, st albans fox said: We mean that banks and Stilton were among the ten best goalkeepers in history and they both played for us, one whilst winning the World Cup and the other whilst being simply the best out there .... Lovely with French bread and a bit of pickle... 7
Trav Le Bleu Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 7 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: Again, that comes back to the 'what do we mean by best' argument? In terms of longevity, overall ability and honours Kasper is in a totally different bracket to those three. Keller not first choice keeper for club and country?
Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 Just now, Trav Le Bleu said: Keller not first choice keeper for club and country? I edited that bit out since posting - haha Kasper hasn't been first choice for Denmark for all that time.
Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 1 minute ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Keller not first choice keeper for club and country? Wider point still stands though. Kasper is demonstrably in another bracket to Keller, Flowers and Walker.
Corky Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 23 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: I'd argue even Keller, Flowers and Walker in recent history were on a par. Not dismissing Kasper, but as has been said, we've had some good keepers. Schmeichel's consistently better than those three, I'd say.
deep blue Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 No-one's mentioned Wallington. Not making comparison with Kasper or any other of our goalies, but just saying he was a great keeper for us. 3
Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 1 minute ago, Corky said: Schmeichel's consistently better than those three, I'd say. And Kasper's played 118 more games for us than all 3 combined... 1
st albans fox Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 1 minute ago, deep blue said: No-one's mentioned Wallington. Not making comparison with Kasper or any other of our goalies, but just saying he was a great keeper for us. Marc was a great servant but not in the same league as Shilts or banks. (And kasper for that matter)
volpeazzurro Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, shen said: OK I'll bite... You can argue that they among the best ten goalkeepers in the world at the time (I doubt many Brits had knowledge of foreign leagues and the quality of their goalkeepers back then, but I'll let it slide), but I think any of the top goalkeepers today would wipe the floor with the old guard. Just like you cannot compare Messi/Ronaldo to Pele/Maradona. The game is so different, from the pace of the game, to the make of the ball, the pitches, the style of play, the professionalism and athleticism. I agree with most of that but perhaps a little less with goalkeepers than outfield players. The current trend for some for example is for a more sweeper type keeper like at Liverpool and Manchester City. On those grounds I'd mark Schmeichel as being quite poor but, albeit I remember Banks and Shilton, I couldn't honestly say that they'd be any better as that didn't really occur back then. However, in terms of shot stopping, I'd say the three mentioned are, just in my opinion, fairly equal. In regards to certain other more traditional attributes like crosses, commanding of the penalty area and distribution, then I'd have to say that Schmeichel is miles behind. Overall therefore, just for me, he's quite a distant third and really quite average. I'd also personally rate Wallington and Flowers over him also. Edited 19 March 2021 by volpeazzurro 1
reynard Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 1 hour ago, shen said: OK I'll bite... You can argue that they among the best ten goalkeepers in the world at the time (I doubt many Brits had knowledge of foreign leagues and the quality of their goalkeepers back then, but I'll let it slide), but I think any of the top goalkeepers today would wipe the floor with the old guard. Just like you cannot compare Messi/Ronaldo to Pele/Maradona. The game is so different, from the pace of the game, to the make of the ball, the pitches, the style of play, the professionalism and athleticism. Well you could turn this argument on its head and ask how today's players would have coped with poorer training, poorer diet, heavier balls, terrible pitches, smoking and boozing after matches, getting to the ground on the bus etc etc. My guess is that Banks and Shilton would have been just as good if not even better if they were playing today than if they played when they did. Simply two of the best keepers in living memory and when you've got it you've got it irrespective of when you played. All irrelevant really, Kasper is a good keeper and so were they. Personally, having seen them all play I'd say both Banks and Shilton were better as they had a better base level of all round keeping skills than Kasper. We've been lucky over the years to have a decent crop of keepers. 2
john ridley Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 13 minutes ago, davieG said: I think you're all forgetting Conrad Logan Or Richardo
fox_favourite Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 4 hours ago, st albans fox said: You’re clearly not as old as some of us .... Yeah, I mean Rab Douglas was excellent.
Les-TA-Jon Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: I'd also personally rate Wallington and Flowers over him also. Flowers better than Schmeichel!? Edited 19 March 2021 by Les-TA-Jon 3
HighPeakFox Posted 19 March 2021 Posted 19 March 2021 I'm just pleased people have found something to potentially fall out over. 1
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