Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[Hoopla10]

There has to be the obvious changes within the system, from top (including UEFA, FA and PL) to bottom. Proper fan representation on the decision making of the club. It's interesting (or worth noting) the way it seems so easy we give up our power to corporations and yet it seems so hard to take any of it back.

 

Punishment: Dock points. Usually when clubs are docked points (even thrown out of the league) it has NOTHING to do with either fans or players. It's punishment for the club. Those that run the club are culpable. So their mismanagement is felt in the league. I don't see how when we know clubs have been docked points that has caused them to drop out of the division or even the league (for way less than that what this 6 attempted) and yet we let them go unpunished in the same way. Strikes me that's ONLY done because they're so wealthy. And isn't that part of how we got here? 

So I'd dock at least the number of points they could have ultimately got from Sunday (when it was announced) to the end of the season. So at least 18 points. That was the damage they were willing to inflict on football in the country while still expecting to play out the season. Personally I'd make it 21. And yes that's because it'll puts Arsenal in the relegation zone. Also ManC could still make top 4 (could even win the league still tbf). 

 

I'd also fine them. There's no point just fining them. Literally none. This SL deal was worth billions. If it comes around again then whatever fine we give them now will be just a small drop in the ocean compared to the profits that deal would be worth. However fine them and put that money straight into grass roots and lower leagues. 

[enmac]

Apparently, the government gave the 6, the green light to go ahead with their scheme!

However, when they saw the reaction of the public they changed tack. 

(Council elections coming soon). 

Caroline Wheeler, deputy editor of the Sunday Times.:

 

Positive noises from Downing Street were understood to have been communicated to those behind the ESL on the Saturday, and was apparently important in the final decision to launch. This has been denied by Ed Woodward...

[HighPeakFox]

8 minutes ago, enmac said:

Apparently, the government gave the 6, the green light to go ahead with their scheme!

However, when they saw the reaction of the public they changed tack. 

(Council elections coming soon). 

Caroline Wheeler, deputy editor of the Sunday Times.:

 

Positive noises from Downing Street were understood to have been communicated to those behind the ESL on the Saturday, and was apparently important in the final decision to launch. This has been denied by Ed Woodward...

How unlike them that would be.

[weller54]

16 minutes ago, enmac said:

Apparently, the government gave the 6, the green light to go ahead with their scheme!

However, when they saw the reaction of the public they changed tack. 

(Council elections coming soon). 

Caroline Wheeler, deputy editor of the Sunday Times.:

 

Positive noises from Downing Street were understood to have been communicated to those behind the ESL on the Saturday, and was apparently important in the final decision to launch. This has been denied by Ed Woodward...

I bet Barnard Castle United are being looked after 😁

[jammie82uk]

37 minutes ago, enmac said:

Apparently, the government gave the 6, the green light to go ahead with their scheme!

However, when they saw the reaction of the public they changed tack. 

(Council elections coming soon). 

Caroline Wheeler, deputy editor of the Sunday Times.:

 

Positive noises from Downing Street were understood to have been communicated to those behind the ESL on the Saturday, and was apparently important in the final decision to launch. This has been denied by Ed Woodward...

I’m sure they printed the proof as well didn’t they.....

[enmac]

17 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

I’m sure they printed the proof as well didn’t they.....

Do you think senior journalists make things up? 

[Vardinio'sCat]

I cant believe that an honorable, decent man such as BJ would have said one thing in private, and then have had the chutzpah to actually portray himself as the saviour of English and European football. Who would have thought it, eh?

 

His biggest talent is his lack of shame.

[PhillippaT]

25 minutes ago, enmac said:

Do you think senior journalists make things up? 

Do they work for Fox 'News' or The Daily MFail?

[enmac]

9 minutes ago, PhillippaT said:

Do they work for Fox 'News' or The Daily MFail?

She's the deputy editor of the Sunday Times, which is not known for being anti -Tory. 

[enmac]

12 minutes ago, enmac said:

She's the deputy editor of the Sunday Times, which is not known for being anti -Tory. 

Correction. She's deputy political editor of the St. 

[The_77]

2 hours ago, Hoopla10 said:

There has to be the obvious changes within the system, from top (including UEFA, FA and PL) to bottom. Proper fan representation on the decision making of the club. It's interesting (or worth noting) the way it seems so easy we give up our power to corporations and yet it seems so hard to take any of it back.

 

Punishment: Dock points. Usually when clubs are docked points (even thrown out of the league) it has NOTHING to do with either fans or players. It's punishment for the club. Those that run the club are culpable. So their mismanagement is felt in the league. I don't see how when we know clubs have been docked points that has caused them to drop out of the division or even the league (for way less than that what this 6 attempted) and yet we let them go unpunished in the same way. Strikes me that's ONLY done because they're so wealthy. And isn't that part of how we got here? 

So I'd dock at least the number of points they could have ultimately got from Sunday (when it was announced) to the end of the season. So at least 18 points. That was the damage they were willing to inflict on football in the country while still expecting to play out the season. Personally I'd make it 21. And yes that's because it'll puts Arsenal in the relegation zone. Also ManC could still make top 4 (could even win the league still tbf). 

 

I'd also fine them. There's no point just fining them. Literally none. This SL deal was worth billions. If it comes around again then whatever fine we give them now will be just a small drop in the ocean compared to the profits that deal would be worth. However fine them and put that money straight into grass roots and lower leagues. 

The other thing that’s missing, and so damn baffling, is the lack of player representation that’s present when these decisions are made. 

How can a confederation, league, or these clubs bypass the players when make sweeping changes to a competition?

 

If the PFA is not at the table when the FA and the PL are major making decisions, then what is the point of even having that association?

[foxfanazer]

Make the owners walk through the city centres of where their clubs are from 

[Sly]

I’ve come to the opinion that nothing will happen on this, outside of the six clubs having representatives removed from the current voting positions that they hold. These will be replaced by someone else in time anyway. 
 

If Sheffield United, Fulham, West Brom, Eibar, Huesca, Alves, Parma, Cagliari, Crotone, Nantes, Nimes and Dijon had released a statement stating that they were all going to play in a “Super League”, despite the obvious p*** taking over the name, no one would really care. 
 

What was announced by the six clubs, was nothing short of a mistake; the rules were wrong; the setup was wrong; the promotion / lack of relegation was wrong; and having Perez front it was a disaster as he’s deluded. 
 

However, UEFA and FIFA need reform as they hold a monopoly on the game, which can be seen with the money spinning angle with the champions league. This is the lesser of two evils, which isn’t great either. I don’t think the break away concept will go away, it’s more than just on ice. 
 

When they do it next time, they need to

work on the PR though. 

[NasPb]

Thank God we didn't elect any crazy populist! Bj stands by and does what he thinks! 

[Hoopla10]

6 hours ago, The_77 said:

The other thing that’s missing, and so damn baffling, is the lack of player representation that’s present when these decisions are made.

I 100% agree. It was one of those weird things that nobody really talked about. They're contracted to these clubs to play in what they had assumed was the current system only to suddenly find it all change with zero consultation and presumably very little way of opting out.

[Hoopla10]

1 hour ago, Sly said:

I’ve come to the opinion that nothing will happen on this

Yep. The founders of the PL have already basically said they don't want to punish these clubs but instead "bring them back into the fold". They dismiss point reduction but suggest fines are more appropriate (which as we know means nothing) and constantly evaded the question when asked about fan representation on the boards. Which means they're not inclined to fight for that either. None of it is surprising, as a lot have pointed out these authority bodies are equally culpable to what happened. And that culpability sprang from the fact they're as financially motivated as the heads of those 6 clubs.  

 

Multiple times this weekend commentators kept repeating how now the SL was over it meant getting top four was so important for Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs. Not once questioning/suggesting a points reduction or even a CL ban was immanent. Everything is just normal again. 

[urban.spaceman]

 

[Ric Flair]

I'm still not sure what rules they have contravened in the PL? I think the punishments domestically will be trying to remove the execs at the clubs and use this opportunity to make harsher penalties should they try and monopolise closed shop competitions and finances in European pursuits.

 

The real punishments and fines will surely come from UEFA, the organisation in which these plans were a direct sabotage and breakaway from. This wasn't a breakaway from domestic leagues but from European competition. If UEFA have any bollocks then they hit these 12 with huge fines and suspension from Europe for at least 1 qualifying season in conjunction with hoping that the domestic leagues bring in rules preventing their teams from forming breakaway European competitions. That way these punishments can be carried out without the offenders provoked to be even more determined to form a breakaway.

[Analysethis]

Its a tricky one for the decision makers.

 

The greedy so and so`s did this for money but looks like they may end up getting sued for breaking the contract that they signed, then financial penalties or even points lost from the locals. I cant see how they give anything apart from a slap on the wrists here. A point deduction would mean Champions League or Europe exclusion for a few which again will damage these clubs further.

 

Id fine them 50m and deduct them all 10 points each but lets wait and see the decision completely bottle it.

[sacreblueits442]

6 minutes ago, Analysethis said:

Its a tricky one for the decision makers.

 

The greedy so and so`s did this for money but looks like they may end up getting sued for breaking the contract that they signed, then financial penalties or even points lost from the locals. I cant see how they give anything apart from a slap on the wrists here. A point deduction would mean Champions League or Europe exclusion for a few which again will damage these clubs further.

 

Id fine them 50m and deduct them all 10 points each but lets wait and see the decision completely bottle it.

....Champions League is worth £60m+, and a 10 points deduction will not affect the current situation in any way, how is this a deterrent!!!

[FoxesFourLife]

Has UEFA got rid of the 2 places for the highest coefficients yet like they said they would if they don't it makes them hypocrites.

[STUHILL]

11 minutes ago, FoxesFourLife said:

Has UEFA got rid of the 2 places for the highest coefficients yet like they said they would if they don't it makes them hypocrites.

Did they actually say this recently? Great news if so 

[Dahnsouff]

10 minutes ago, STUHILL said:

Did they actually say this recently? Great news if so 

Believe it was “under discussion”. Hmmm

[Scotch]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm still not sure what rules they have contravened in the PL? I think the punishments domestically will be trying to remove the execs at the clubs and use this opportunity to make harsher penalties should they try and monopolise closed shop competitions and finances in European pursuits.

 

The real punishments and fines will surely come from UEFA, the organisation in which these plans were a direct sabotage and breakaway from. This wasn't a breakaway from domestic leagues but from European competition. If UEFA have any bollocks then they hit these 12 with huge fines and suspension from Europe for at least 1 qualifying season in conjunction with hoping that the domestic leagues bring in rules preventing their teams from forming breakaway European competitions. That way these punishments can be carried out without the offenders provoked to be even more determined to form a breakaway.

Rule L9...

 

Except with the prior written approval of the board, during the season a club shall not enter or play its senior men’s first team in any competition other than

L.9.1 – The UEFA Champions League
L.9.2 – The UEFA Europa League
L.9.3 – The FA Cup
L.9.4 – The FA Community Shield
L.9.5 – The Football League Cup or
L.9.6 – Competitions sanctioned by the County Association of which it is a member.”

 

The tricky part here is determining wether entering a contract (If indeed they have) to play in the ESL is indeed "entering" a competition. 

[Analysethis]

50 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....Champions League is worth £60m+, and a 10 points deduction will not affect the current situation in any way, how is this a deterrent!!!

Its not about a deterrent, but a punishment. 

 

A 10 point deduction means that Chelsea, Liverpool and Spurs cant make the CL. West Ham, Everton and us do. It may even drag Leeds into Europa.

 

Spurs, Arsenal and maybe Liverpool may not qualify for the CL next season so they wouldn't be getting CL money anyway so a big fine would hurt