Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[Always Next Year]

The other 14 Clubs need to keep pushing for punishment, but like others are saying non of the authorities have the balls to do anything.

[MGLCFC]

52 minutes ago, cruzFOX said:

how does that old saying go? 'It's all water/money under the bridge'

Perhaps that should be 'It's all water/money under the Stamford Bridge' 😂 

[Matt]

23 minutes ago, Always Next Year said:

The other 14 Clubs need to keep pushing for punishment, but like others are saying non of the authorities have the balls to do anything.

The irony is of the other 14 clubs keep pushing for a punishment they are probably in more danger of a punishment themselves for ‘rocking the boat’ than the greedy six.

 

I don’t get how 14 don’t outvote 6.

[Corky]

Any opportunity for serious punishment was lost when journalists started talking about not punishing the fans as they were an innocent party (basically meaning any serious punishment not involving riots should be ignored).

 

I wouldn't even bother fining them. It's done, nothing will change.

[Matt]

1 minute ago, Corky said:

Any opportunity for serious punishment was lost when journalists started talking about not punishing the fans as they were an innocent party (basically meaning any serious punishment not involving riots should be ignored).

 

I wouldn't even bother fining them. It's done, nothing will change.

We all know Chelsea won’t be docked points for the scuffle last week but the media are trying to make a story of Chelsea potentially being docked for it.

 

That was the fans fault.

 

Sheff Wed were relegated because of a point deduction which the fans had no part in.

 

I’m not pointing this out to you personally, just the logic ‘you can’t dock points, it punishes fans’ it’s an absolute cop out excuse which set a precedent for any club who is docked points in the future.

[urban fox]

At some point the “don’t punish the fans” argument has to be debunked and quickly. The FA are between a rock and a hard place now in respect of points deductions.

assuming nothing happens in respect of the greedy six and/or the Chelsea brawl, the next time they use this sanction will lead to mass discontent. However, if they do not use it, how long before those previous cases start to think about legal action of some sort.

the easiest way for them to to be seen to be doing the right thing and acting in fairness is to make them all start next season with a 15 point handicap. While they are at it, issue a 3 point deduction for this season to Chelsea.

Sorted.

[Fox in the North]

32 minutes ago, urban fox said:

At some point the “don’t punish the fans” argument has to be debunked and quickly. The FA are between a rock and a hard place now in respect of points deductions.

assuming nothing happens in respect of the greedy six and/or the Chelsea brawl, the next time they use this sanction will lead to mass discontent. However, if they do not use it, how long before those previous cases start to think about legal action of some sort.

the easiest way for them to to be seen to be doing the right thing and acting in fairness is to make them all start next season with a 15 point handicap. While they are at it, issue a 3 point deduction for this season to Chelsea.

Sorted.

Wait till Chelsea win the champions league, then deduct the 3 points. Happy days 

[HybridFox]

Nothing will happen. They don't have the balls and would have done it by now.

 

Rugby got it so spot on with the Saracens case

[Finnaldo]

The minute that creep Infantino started slobbering at Man City’s feet as soon as they pulled out I knew it was done. These organisations are too spineless to act independently and put punishments in place if the others don’t. Multi-year transfer embargoes would have been a light sentencing. 
 

Eventually the same clubs will try again and as much as these organisations stamp their feet they won’t come back next time. The ‘Elite Clubs’ are the traitorous villains in this particular story but the PL, UEFA and FIFA are no less scummy, their objections wasn’t on principle but on the threat of losing their bag of coin. 
 

Football will need a hell of a purge to ever be in favour of the supporter again yet the supporters (especially in this country) are too passive to ever do anything near enough to change the tide. We’ve seen a glimpse of what supporter action can do but we’re too lazy and/or placid to do anything before the 11th hour. 

[urban.spaceman]

1 hour ago, Fox in the North said:

Wait till Chelsea win the champions league, then deduct the 3 points. Happy days 

Would be even better if they wait until Chelsea lose the Champions League and THEN announce a 10 point deduction so they miss out on Europe altogether.

 

The meltdown and outbreak of schadenfreude would be ****ing amazing.

[ARM1968]

Hear from my mate Muzjik it’s going to be a 32pt deduction for them all. 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Fox in the North said:

Wait till Chelsea win the champions league, then deduct the 3 points. Happy days 

...I would not be surprised if the cowards do not go down that line....!!!

The only problem would be it would draw attention to the big 6 escapade, and why they were not punished.

[Matt]

1 hour ago, Fox in the North said:

Wait till Chelsea win the champions league, then deduct the 3 points. Happy days 

 

Not that it's going to happen anyway but would this be allowed by the Champions League/UEFA/The powers that be.

 

Surely it'd be boosting England's quota of teams, getting an extra team in 'through the back door'. Can't see the European govening bodies being happy or accepting the decision - also it'd impact on another countries league meaning a team would have to drop out wouldn't it?

 

It's all irrelevant anyway because rightly or wrongly the powers that be in our country have no backbone and wouldn't dare punish Chelsea but i'd find that potential scenario interesting as it impacts quite a few things.

 

Edited 25 May 2021 by Matt

[Fox in the North]

7 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

Not that it's going to happen anyway but would this be allowed by the Champions League/UEFA/The powers that be.

 

Surely it'd be boosting England's quota of teams, getting an extra team in 'through the back door'. Can't see the European govening bodies being happy or accepting the decision - also it'd impact on another countries league meaning a team would have to drop out wouldn't it?

 

It's all irrelevant anyway because rightly or wrongly the powers that be in our country have no backbone and wouldn't dare punish Chelsea but i'd find that potential scenario interesting as it impacts quite a few things.

 

I can’t imagine that it would happen, my tongue was very much planted in my cheek. Realistically they dock them all some points, but like you say they won’t have the spine to go ahead. I don’t get why the governing bodies don’t as even though the clubs can still kick off, they’ve lost all leverage when they laid the super league cards on the table. 

[Corky]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

We all know Chelsea won’t be docked points for the scuffle last week but the media are trying to make a story of Chelsea potentially being docked for it.

 

That was the fans fault.

 

Sheff Wed were relegated because of a point deduction which the fans had no part in.

 

I’m not pointing this out to you personally, just the logic ‘you can’t dock points, it punishes fans’ it’s an absolute cop out excuse which set a precedent for any club who is docked points in the future.

We are a collective. Fans, players, managers, owners. Each party's behaviour affects others. I go to matches knowing that if plenty of fans start a riot or get involved in racist chanting there is a good chance I'll be stopped from attending as a result despite not taking part and abhorring it. If our players misbehave we might be punished with sanctions. If our owners do etc. You'll always have an innocent party hit and I'm afraid that's the way it is.

 

[Matt]

6 minutes ago, Fox in the North said:

I can’t imagine that it would happen, my tongue was very much planted in my cheek. Realistically they dock them all some points, but like you say they won’t have the spine to go ahead. I don’t get why the governing bodies don’t as even though the clubs can still kick off, they’ve lost all leverage when they laid the super league cards on the table. 

Oh I know you were joking and it was a tongue in cheek comment but I thought it raised some interesting points and questions as I made in my post.

 

I was regarding more the scuffle last week re: Chelsea and a potential docking of points that as I keep saying won't happen.

 

The punishment for the greedy 6 is long gone, nothing of note will be done now regarding that.

 

4 minutes ago, Corky said:

We are a collective. Fans, players, managers, owners. Each party's behaviour affects others. I go to matches knowing that if plenty of fans start a riot or get involved in racist chanting there is a good chance I'll be stopped from attending as a result despite not taking part and abhorring it. If our players misbehave we might be punished with sanctions. If our owners do etc. You'll always have an innocent party hit and I'm afraid that's the way it is.

 

100% agree but the opinion of the media, pundits and powers that be have now set a precedent of having the opinion that 'you can't dock point, all it does is punish fans and players of the club of which they've done no wrong'.

 

Edited 25 May 2021 by Matt

[ARM1968]

13 minutes ago, Matt said:

Oh I know you were joking and it was a tongue in cheek comment but I thought it raised some interesting points and questions as I made in my post.

 

I was regarding more the scuffle last week re: Chelsea and a potential docking of points that as I keep saying won't happen.

 

The punishment for the greedy 6 is long gone, nothing of note will be done now regarding that.

 

100% agree but the opinion of the media, pundits and powers that be have now set a precedent of having the opinion that 'you can't dock point, all it does is punish fans and players of the club of which they've done no wrong'.

 

THAT only applies to rich clubs, the clubs the FA are scared of. Anyone else gets bitch slapped. Rules only apply to the weak. 

[Fox in the North]

34 minutes ago, Matt said:

Oh I know you were joking and it was a tongue in cheek comment but I thought it raised some interesting points and questions as I made in my post.

 

I was regarding more the scuffle last week re: Chelsea and a potential docking of points that as I keep saying won't happen.

 

The punishment for the greedy 6 is long gone, nothing of note will be done now regarding that.

 

100% agree but the opinion of the media, pundits and powers that be have now set a precedent of having the opinion that 'you can't dock point, all it does is punish fans and players of the club of which they've done no wrong'.

 

Just hope everyone comes up with this reasoning when X team’s finances go belly up because of the owner, I daresay they won’t sadly.

[Trav Le Bleu]

Transfer embargo them all. Which would let other teams catch up some more.

[Duquesne Whistle]

2 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Transfer embargo them all. Which would let other teams catch up some more.

It's a lovely thought but allowing anyone to catch up at all is anathema to the footballing authorities and the media, for that matter.

The rest of us, from Leicester City, all the way down to Grimsby Town in 92nd place will never really get a fair shake of the stick.

[Trav Le Bleu]

4 minutes ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

It's a lovely thought but allowing anyone to catch up at all is anathema to the footballing authorities and the media, for that matter.

The rest of us, from Leicester City, all the way down to Grimsby Town in 92nd place will never really get a fair shake of the stick.

I don't care what Anthea's ma thinks!

[hejammy]

As nice as it is to think they will get punished, let's be honest, they'll get slap on the wrist fine and that's about it if that 

[Fox in the North]

So Premier League....how’s about you take lead out of UEFA’s book (if they are banning the 3 clubs that is).

 

 

[5waller5]

6 minutes ago, Fox in the North said:

So Premier League....how’s about you take lead out of UEFA’s book (if they are banning the 3 clubs that is).

 

 

Why those 3 clubs and not the others, including the English 6?

[Duquesne Whistle]

10 minutes ago, 5waller5 said:

Why those 3 clubs and not the others, including the English 6?

Weren't they the 3 that didn't 'officially' pull out of the league. I'm sure the bloke from Juve kept banging on long after others had already pulled out of it.