Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall

[Chrysalis]

On 17/05/2024 at 06:51, Leicesterpool said:

Not exactly a progressioning club. There not expected to challenge for Europe. A Newcastle, Villa and maybe even Man Utd i can understand. 

They making a profit, are an established EPL club, they a step up from where we are now.

 

Time isnt static.  We not where we were 5 years ago.

 

However KDH has said if he is to leave us he wants it to be a significant jump, either abroad or to a big EPL club.   I would rather us breach 2023/24 FFP than sell KDH personally.  It would be a poor footballing decision.

[lcfcbluearmy]

55 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

They making a profit, are an established EPL club, they a step up from where we are now.

 

Time isnt static.  We not where we were 5 years ago.

 

However KDH has said if he is to leave us he wants it to be a significant jump, either abroad or to a big EPL club.   I would rather us breach 2023/24 FFP than sell KDH personally.  It would be a poor footballing decision.

Where did he say that I have only seen him say he dosen't want to leave?

[Sly]

£20,000,000 sale and then we get someone in for £20,000,000 but spread that cost of 4 years. 
 

This is what is going to occur.

[Torten]

I had a dream I bumped into KDH whilst on a jog, I asked him how he was doing. 

 

He ran away from me at full pelt.

[mod hero]

1 minute ago, Torten said:

I had a dream I bumped into KDH whilst on a jog, I asked him how he was doing. 

 

He ran away from me at full pelt.

Were you naked?

[filthyfox]

19 minutes ago, Sly said:

£20,000,000 sale and then we get someone in for £20,000,000 but spread that cost of 4 years. 
 

This is what is going to occur.

Stupid arrangement

[Torten]

4 minutes ago, mod hero said:

Were you naked?

Not in my dream iirc

[Sly]

Just now, filthyfox said:

Stupid arrangement

It’s what’s happening all over unfortunately as clubs try to bypass PSR

[mod hero]

Just now, Torten said:

Not in my dream iirc

I meant in bed you pervert

[foxile5]

1 minute ago, Sly said:

It’s what’s happening all over unfortunately as clubs try to bypass PSR

The irony being is that will lead to long term financial insecurity and bigger margins of financial risk. 

 

Look at Fofana. A club our size could make that mistake but once and end up in a real hole over it.

[Torten]

1 minute ago, mod hero said:

I meant in bed you pervert

Apologies. I sleep in full kit, shin pads, and Nike Mercurials in case of emergency.

[mod hero]

Just now, Torten said:

Apologies. I sleep in full kit, shin pads, and Nike Mercurials in case of emergency.

Pervert

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

What a mess if we have to sell him or break the rules, when you look at the money we’ve made from player sales since Drinkwater, has any other club outside the ‘big 6’ managed to recoup such money? Off the top of my head Drinky 45m, Maguire 90m, Chillwell 60m, Mahrez 50m, Fofana 70m(sure not all figures are 100% accurate). Sure I’m forgetting some as well but if we can’t keep within the rules when we’re making money like that we are absolutely up the creek. 

[Hamilton Fox]

29 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

What a mess if we have to sell him or break the rules, when you look at the money we’ve made from player sales since Drinkwater, has any other club outside the ‘big 6’ managed to recoup such money? Off the top of my head Drinky 45m, Maguire 90m, Chillwell 60m, Mahrez 50m, Fofana 70m(sure not all figures are 100% accurate). Sure I’m forgetting some as well but if we can’t keep within the rules when we’re making money like that we are absolutely up the creek. 

Maddison and Barnes another 70m as well 

[StriderHiryu]

40 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

What a mess if we have to sell him or break the rules, when you look at the money we’ve made from player sales since Drinkwater, has any other club outside the ‘big 6’ managed to recoup such money? Off the top of my head Drinky 45m, Maguire 90m, Chillwell 60m, Mahrez 50m, Fofana 70m(sure not all figures are 100% accurate). Sure I’m forgetting some as well but if we can’t keep within the rules when we’re making money like that we are absolutely up the creek. 

Brighton are the obvious stand outs, thanks mostly to Chelsea!

[Out Foxed]

1 hour ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

What a mess if we have to sell him or break the rules, when you look at the money we’ve made from player sales since Drinkwater, has any other club outside the ‘big 6’ managed to recoup such money? Off the top of my head Drinky 45m, Maguire 90m, Chillwell 60m, Mahrez 50m, Fofana 70m(sure not all figures are 100% accurate). Sure I’m forgetting some as well but if we can’t keep within the rules when we’re making money like that we are absolutely up the creek. 

yeah it's an embarrassment how much we've blown it. should have all been sacked for their wastefulness. 

[mazarron fox]

I like the lad, a good servant a valuable member of our team but no better than mid table premier.Sadly we might lose him to exactly that 

[FoxinNotts]

Now that we've probably secured some 'pure profit' PSR money, required before June 30th, from the Enzo move, we probably don't need as much from this sale, to go into the accounts before June 30th.

Hopefully the club are looking to sell one of their assets to say KP  to also reduce what we need from the sale of KDH

Question is, can we raise enough so we don't have to sell KDH at all???

Edited 12 June 2024 by FoxinNotts

[MonarchFox]

I can't see him going to anyone in the Premier League.  Newcastle & Villa both got similar issues to us, albeit not as bad.  So his options are basically Spurs, Man U or Chelsea if he wants a progressive club, any other club I'm assuming he thinks is a sidewards step.

 

So he'll need to move abroad if we are going to sell, then who's got £30m to spend on him in Europe.

[Big_Nige]

3 hours ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

What a mess if we have to sell him or break the rules, when you look at the money we’ve made from player sales since Drinkwater, has any other club outside the ‘big 6’ managed to recoup such money? Off the top of my head Drinky 45m, Maguire 90m, Chillwell 60m, Mahrez 50m, Fofana 70m(sure not all figures are 100% accurate). Sure I’m forgetting some as well but if we can’t keep within the rules when we’re making money like that we are absolutely up the creek. 

Someone who has read up on this a bit more than me might say I’m wrong here, but my understanding of PSR is all about accumulating losses over a 3 year period. So even if we’d have banked the majority of the money you mentioned and not spent any (all bar Fofana were prior to this current 3 year cycle) that cash effectively drops off the PSR calculations.

 

So someone like Villa, who sold Grealish for £100m, which is pure profit, 3 years ago. That revenue will drop off soon, meaning they are up shit creek. Same as Brighton, with the MacAllister and Caicedo money. it’s OK selling players, but as soon as you start re-investing it, you’re setting yourself up for a fall if don’t constantly flip your best players then you’re always going to breach at some point. Unless you have huge commercial revenue streams

 

Breaching PSR is nothing to do with not having any money, or wasting what we had (our wage structure was/is hideous) it’s solely a device put in place to stop competition. The Villa chairman was spot on yesterday when he said it’s now about creating Paper Profits, not real profits. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 June 2024 by Big_Nige

[JimJams]

Yeah I think you're right. A massive spike in income for one season which gets wiped off doesn't really help other than allowing losses to bookend the year the money was made in. So if we raised a billion in player sales one season, then spent £100mill on the squad in subsequent seasons, in real world terms after year 3 you'd still be looking at 700mill left over and be healthy. The way it works now, the £1bill income would no longer be in the 3 year period and you'd have made a £100mill loss per year for 3 straight seasons, putting you right in the shit, despite the fact you're loaded.

[Babylon]

4 hours ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

What a mess if we have to sell him or break the rules, when you look at the money we’ve made from player sales since Drinkwater, has any other club outside the ‘big 6’ managed to recoup such money? Off the top of my head Drinky 45m, Maguire 90m, Chillwell 60m, Mahrez 50m, Fofana 70m(sure not all figures are 100% accurate). Sure I’m forgetting some as well but if we can’t keep within the rules when we’re making money like that we are absolutely up the creek. 

Of course we could have stayed within the rules (not that they even existed in the current format). We chose to spend big to keep players here like Kasper, Vardy, Maddison, Ricardo, etc. and buy players to go further than just be a midtable plodder; a sustained period of poor player recruitment messed us up. 

[casablancas]

Don’t begrudge him a move. Would sell if we can get anywhere north of 30million. 

[ClaphamFox]

4 minutes ago, casablancas said:

Don’t begrudge him a move. Would sell if we can get anywhere north of 30million. 

It's not about us begrudging him a move. It's more a case of us begging him to leave when he doesn't want to.

[ALC Fox]

5 hours ago, Torten said:

Apologies. I sleep in full kit, shin pads, and Nike Mercurials in case of emergency.

There was a ringer down St Margaret's Pastures who used to just hang around every night and play if a team needed the numbers making up. I can genuinely imagine this kind of behaviour from him.