Marc Albrighton

[Les-TA-Jon]

36 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Ideally I agree, but sometimes you have to cut your cloth according. 

 

 We have already spent 40m, a new winger is going to be 20m-40m, we are going to have to balance the books somewhere along the line.

 

 

And we won't manage that by selling Albrighton for £5m

[coolhandfox]

6 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

And we won't manage that by selling Albrighton for £5m

Add in a Ghezzel, Hamza and you are looking at 20m?

 

[moore_94]

6 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Add in a Ghezzel, Hamza and you are looking at 20m?

 

I can see Praet leaving, along with Ghezzal and Hamza we can probably get around £30-£35m for them

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

I can see Praet leaving, along with Ghezzal and Hamza we can probably get around £30-£35m for them

Maybe, I'd like to see us keep both Praet and Albrighton personally.

 

If they leave, it will because the players themselves want to go, Praet for playing time and Albrighton maybe because Burnley may offer him a longer contract.

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, coolhandfox said:

Maybe, I'd like to see us keep both Praet and Albrighton personally.

 

If they leave, it will because the players themselves want to go, Praet for playing time and Albrighton maybe because Burnley may offer him a longer contract.

Yeah I would love to keep him but I think Praet will feel he could to somewhere for a team playing in Europe and play every week and will ask to leave

 

With Albrighton I can see the links with Burnley just turn out to be an attempt to get an extra year out of us, 32 in November so I imagine we are probably offering a 2 year deal and he wants 3, probably settle on 2 and an option for 3 or something like that (like the rumoured Bertrand deal)

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

29 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Maybe, I'd like to see us keep both Praet and Albrighton personally.

 

If they leave, it will because the players themselves want to go, Praet for playing time and Albrighton maybe because Burnley may offer him a longer contract.

I think if Albrighton leaves, it will be so he can challenge for a regular starting spot. I can't see him getting more than a three year contract with Burnley, and I think even if we only offered him a year extension, he'd probably end up making more money. Albrighton is also one of those guys I think the club will take care of post-playing career if they want (Fuchs pretty much said that he has an offer from the club after he retires, can't see Albrighton not getting the same.)

Edited 8 July 2021 by MarriedaLeicesterGirl
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[LestaLad]

 

[moore_94]

33 minutes ago, LestaLad said:

 

All about the length of contract then, Burnley aren’t going to pay more than we currently do surely

[volpeazzurro]

3 hours ago, moore_94 said:

Just 3 wingers in Barnes, Sowah and a new player is asking for trouble, 1 injury and we are back to using players out of position, hoping our current options don’t get knocks they have to play with or getting burnt out

 

Realistically we should have 2 starters (Barnes and New Guy) and 2 players to cover (Sowah and Albrighton)

Why? There's no need to play with wingers at all, like Liverpool. No point in wasting money on things that you don't necessarily need. For all we know, Rodgers probably has no intention whatsoever in playing with wingers. Really really good specialist wingers are rare, expensive and can be a bit old hat to be honest. The old idea of a winger was of a fast nippy bloke that could whip a ball into the box for a big centre forward. Rodgers ain't going to do that. More is expected of such a player nowadays like Mane and Salah, what box exactly would you put them in? They're certainly not wingers but personally speaking, I think they are far more devastating and able to do more things. If we were to consider Marhez as a winger, can we name an equivalent that would come here for less than 50m? What a waste of money on one player that wouldn't be a regular on the team sheet. I'd sooner set up with a forward 3 and we currently have Vardy, Barnes, Iheanacho and Daka to choose from. With a midfield 3 of Ndidi, Tielemans and Soumare, if party boy Maddison can get fit, remain so and start firing on all cylinders, he may be allowed the odd appearance IF we can fit him in and he'll have to fight for the privilege. We certainly won't be beholden anymore to this legend in his own lunchtime. 

 

Any width, with that powerful midfield to give cover can be provided by any two from Ricardo, Castagne, JJ or Thomas, possibly even Betrand. So why go big on a winger/luxury item? 

[Merchant_Banker]

12 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Why? There's no need to play with wingers at all, like Liverpool. No point in wasting money on things that you don't necessarily need. For all we know, Rodgers probably has no intention whatsoever in playing with wingers. Really really good specialist wingers are rare, expensive and can be a bit old hat to be honest. The old idea of a winger was of a fast nippy bloke that could whip a ball into the box for a big centre forward. Rodgers ain't going to do that. More is expected of such a player nowadays like Mane and Salah, what box exactly would you put them in? They're certainly not wingers but personally speaking, I think they are far more devastating and able to do more things. If we were to consider Marhez as a winger, can we name an equivalent that would come here for less than 50m? What a waste of money on one player that wouldn't be a regular on the team sheet. I'd sooner set up with a forward 3 and we currently have Vardy, Barnes, Iheanacho and Daka to choose from. With a midfield 3 of Ndidi, Tielemans and Soumare, if party boy Maddison can get fit, remain so and start firing on all cylinders, he may be allowed the odd appearance IF we can fit him in and he'll have to fight for the privilege. We certainly won't be beholden anymore to this legend in his own lunchtime. 

 

Any width, with that powerful midfield to give cover can be provided by any two from Ricardo, Castagne, JJ or Thomas, possibly even Betrand. So why go big on a winger/luxury item? 

It's not the position that is important, it is the lack of creativity or penetration when Maddison is not fit or off-form. We need to recruit more creativity and the only position that is likely to come from is from a new player on the right side.

[Frank Large's Black Book]

4 hours ago, moore_94 said:

Just 3 wingers in Barnes, Sowah and a new player is asking for trouble, 1 injury and we are back to using players out of position, hoping our current options don’t get knocks they have to play with or getting burnt out

 

Realistically we should have 2 starters (Barnes and New Guy) and 2 players to cover (Sowah and Albrighton)

Ricardo?

[Dahnsouff]

13 minutes ago, Merchant_Banker said:

It's not the position that is important, it is the lack of creativity or penetration when Maddison is not fit or off-form. We need to recruit more creativity and the only position that is likely to come from is from a new player on the right side.

Spot on, wingers are not strictly required, just guys who can make assists, can who can see the passes. Unless we are clinically allergic to 5 3 at the back of course.

[moore_94]

11 minutes ago, Frank Large's Black Book said:

Ricardo?

Not a fan of him as a winger to be honest, he works best when he is able to make a run from deep into space created by a wide player coming inside

[volpeazzurro]

20 minutes ago, Merchant_Banker said:

It's not the position that is important, it is the lack of creativity or penetration when Maddison is not fit or off-form. We need to recruit more creativity and the only position that is likely to come from is from a new player on the right side.

Yes good point though I do think with Ndidi and Soumare, if the latter lives up to reputation, Tielemans will have more opportunities to do what he does best. I also think that like Alexander-Arnold and Robertson, if used correctly, we have the personnel to do a similar job, creativity can start from the back. Potentially a 3 of Barnes, Vardy and Daka running at a defence is in itself creative and devastating on it's own. It will also be interesting to see what KDH and possibly even Sowah can offer as well before we spend big. Let's remember where Barnes and JJ were at the start of last season and how influential they were for little or no large transfer fees before they succumbed to injury! 

[moore_94]

40 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Why? There's no need to play with wingers at all, like Liverpool. No point in wasting money on things that you don't necessarily need. For all we know, Rodgers probably has no intention whatsoever in playing with wingers. Really really good specialist wingers are rare, expensive and can be a bit old hat to be honest. The old idea of a winger was of a fast nippy bloke that could whip a ball into the box for a big centre forward. Rodgers ain't going to do that. More is expected of such a player nowadays like Mane and Salah, what box exactly would you put them in? They're certainly not wingers but personally speaking, I think they are far more devastating and able to do more things. If we were to consider Marhez as a winger, can we name an equivalent that would come here for less than 50m? What a waste of money on one player that wouldn't be a regular on the team sheet. I'd sooner set up with a forward 3 and we currently have Vardy, Barnes, Iheanacho and Daka to choose from. With a midfield 3 of Ndidi, Tielemans and Soumare, if party boy Maddison can get fit, remain so and start firing on all cylinders, he may be allowed the odd appearance IF we can fit him in and he'll have to fight for the privilege. We certainly won't be beholden anymore to this legend in his own lunchtime. 

 

Any width, with that powerful midfield to give cover can be provided by any two from Ricardo, Castagne, JJ or Thomas, possibly even Betrand. So why go big on a winger/luxury item? 

Do you think I meant a traditional winger like Albrighton? Or would you prefer me to call them a wide forward?

 

Yes Salah and Mane are not "wingers" in the traditional sense but they are players who occupy the wide areas and come inside, like Barnes does for us on the left, and I would want us to sign the equivalent kind of player to play on the right - most people in general still call these kind of players wingers.

 

I have been fully in the @Ric Flair camp of wanting us to sign a left footed right "winger" ever since we lost Mahrez, I was fuming when we missed out on Trincao because he is a player who would fit that mold for us. Also because I don't want to see us touch 3/5 at the back again, I just don't think it works for us. As such I would hope we would be playing 4 at the back and with players like Ricardo, Castagne, JJ, Thomas at full back they are much more effective when they have a player in front of them who cuts inside dragging the opposition defender inside, allowing the full back to run into space that has been vacated - it is literally what allowed Ricardo to excel for us in the season before last.

[Fox92]

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

So we sell our backup winger, and then we have to sign two wingers?

I never said sell him.

[volpeazzurro]

10 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Do you think I meant a traditional winger like Albrighton? Or would you prefer me to call them a wide forward?

 

Yes Salah and Mane are not "wingers" in the traditional sense but they are players who occupy the wide areas and come inside, like Barnes does for us on the left, and I would want us to sign the equivalent kind of player to play on the right - most people in general still call these kind of players wingers.

 

I have been fully in the @Ric Flair camp of wanting us to sign a left footed right "winger" ever since we lost Mahrez, I was fuming when we missed out on Trincao because he is a player who would fit that mold for us. Also because I don't want to see us touch 3/5 at the back again, I just don't think it works for us. As such I would hope we would be playing 4 at the back and with players like Ricardo, Castagne, JJ, Thomas at full back they are much more effective when they have a player in front of them who cuts inside dragging the opposition defender inside, allowing the full back to run into space that has been vacated - it is literally what allowed Ricardo to excel for us in the season before last.

Yes, I absolutely agree with that, particularly the 3/5 at the back and not playing the players you mentioned in their preferred positions. It was entirely this, for me personally, that scuppered our chances of Champions League football and was absolutely avoidable regardless of injuries. I may be wrong, but without selling a named player, having spent around 40m, I just don't see it happening if past years investment is used as a yardstick. However, with our recruitment department, you're never quite sure who they're looking at. For the right player I personally would sacrifice Maddison now as unpopular as that would be with many.

[vanity]

50 minutes ago, Frank Large's Black Book said:

Ricardo?

Personally, I think Ricardo can do the job better than anyone on the roster, possibly better than anyone we could get for less than 40 mil. We have to remember that last season should be tossed out, ACL injuries usually take a season to recover from (at least in other sports, football, basketball, etc.). He should be pretty sharp this season, barring injury. Recall that he was arguably the best player on our team a couple seasons back, whether he plays as a FB or RW, I think he forces his way in. WIll be interesting to see James Justin, what he looks like, another ACL injury, but he is a bit younger than Ricardo, perhaps he can get closer to his old form, we'll have to see. I am less convinced by Castagne, hopefully he gets that bump up after his first Prem season, if Ricardo is healthy Castagne is moving to the left, though not clear to me he will be starting when Justin is right.

 

Marc Albrighton for 5 mill? F that. He's worth 15 at least. He is a starting-quality MF in the Prem. He is plug-and-play. Other teams have money. I would keep him for 5 mill but move him for 15. No less than 10.  Really like Praet, I know he is pissed he isn't playing more, but he is quality. Would love to rotate Tielemans and Maddison first 1/3 of the season. Especially Youri, he has played a lot, and he looked like it in the Euros. Just worn down to the nub. 

 

Would really love a goal-scoring RW, and then an experienced center back to play the Evans role. We could do with upgrading from Choudhury, Perez. Definitely sell Ward if we get a good price. Same if we get a silly offer for Tielemans. 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Yes, I absolutely agree with that, particularly the 3/5 at the back and not playing the players you mentioned in their preferred positions. It was entirely this, for me personally, that scuppered our chances of Champions League football and was absolutely avoidable regardless of injuries. I may be wrong, but without selling a named player, having spent around 40m, I just don't see it happening if past years investment is used as a yardstick. However, with our recruitment department, you're never quite sure who they're looking at. For the right player I personally would sacrifice Maddison now as unpopular as that would be with many.

The exchange between you and @moore_94here is absolute class

When you mentioned Maddison my heart skipped a beat. As much as I'd like to agree because we do need the investment, there's a part of me that knows that "if" he can overcome his hip issues and physically make it to the next level he will be devastating. A big if I know.

Wide ForwardThat's a keeper.

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

Why? There's no need to play with wingers at all, like Liverpool. No point in wasting money on things that you don't necessarily need. For all we know, Rodgers probably has no intention whatsoever in playing with wingers. Really really good specialist wingers are rare, expensive and can be a bit old hat to be honest. The old idea of a winger was of a fast nippy bloke that could whip a ball into the box for a big centre forward. Rodgers ain't going to do that. More is expected of such a player nowadays like Mane and Salah, what box exactly would you put them in? They're certainly not wingers but personally speaking, I think they are far more devastating and able to do more things. If we were to consider Marhez as a winger, can we name an equivalent that would come here for less than 50m? What a waste of money on one player that wouldn't be a regular on the team sheet. I'd sooner set up with a forward 3 and we currently have Vardy, Barnes, Iheanacho and Daka to choose from. With a midfield 3 of Ndidi, Tielemans and Soumare, if party boy Maddison can get fit, remain so and start firing on all cylinders, he may be allowed the odd appearance IF we can fit him in and he'll have to fight for the privilege. We certainly won't be beholden anymore to this legend in his own lunchtime. 

 

Any width, with that powerful midfield to give cover can be provided by any two from Ricardo, Castagne, JJ or Thomas, possibly even Betrand. So why go big on a winger/luxury item? 

....good post, and hard to argue against....!!!

The Liverpool setup is great and you can see it makes sense for us to adopt this style as we appear to have the personnel to implement it. I am not sure if it is an age thing but I would rather us playing with two wingers, it is a style that get you off your seat when the ball goes wide and expectations are elevated when they are involved.

    Very much a matter of style of play but so long as we find a way of being successful next season then all is good.

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....good post, and hard to argue against....!!!

The Liverpool setup is great and you can see it makes sense for us to adopt this style as we appear to have the personnel to implement it. I am not sure if it is an age thing but I would rather us playing with two wingers, it is a style that get you off your seat when the ball goes wide and expectations are elevated when they are involved.

    Very much a matter of style of play but so long as we find a way of being successful next season then all is good.

I'm also of an age that I liked to see 2 wingers and a big bloke too. I also believe in a plan B and having an Albrighton and a Chris Wood to come on and upset things can still be a thrill and productive at times, Giroud's been doing it for years. You could also be one nil down to Arsenal and Walsh, Taggart and Elliott from a corner gave you every chance. If money was no object I'd have both wingers, attacking midfielders, wide forwards the lot!🤣

Edited 8 July 2021 by volpeazzurro

[volpeazzurro]

6 hours ago, moore_94 said:

I can see Praet leaving, along with Ghezzal and Hamza we can probably get around £30-£35m for them

Add Perez and we could afford a taxi to drive them to their new clubs! (As long as it's to Midlands clubs or the fare might be too steep).

[VLC86]

Can’t see him leaving for Burnley, as others have said it sounds like this is him

trying to get an extra year on his contract.

 

There are a few players I would let go before him.

[Leeds Fox]

5 hours ago, moore_94 said:

Not a fan of him as a winger to be honest, he works best when he is able to make a run from deep into space created by a wide player coming inside

He’s not the winger we need, but both him and Castange can do what Albrighton can do (or maybe even a bit better) on the wing which is graft.

[Jimmy]

let Albrighton go, he doesn't offer enough in the attacking third for how we play football now