Guest SO1 Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 I spend way to much time reading about the politics and economics of the world. There are major changes happening in the world right now and to expect the status quo to remain as it is I think is a fools errand. I couldn't possibly blame the owners if their decision making leans to the conservative side. I know the forum tends to want to see the club put the pedal to the metal(not talking Messi) and so do I to some extent(Madueke). Unless we sell a player for big money I'm ok with battening down the hatches with a few center backs and treading water in the market until next winter or summer. I have to remain patient given the present state of the world. Everything is connected. Hope our owners can stay the course.
sacreblueits442 Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 15 minutes ago, MPH said: It would be unsecured. The training ground fund were partly secured against future tv income- I don’t imagine there’s much else we can secure loans against? ...I read somewhere on this forum that the club's value was now something like £325m!!! Just like building a port folio in respect of acquiring houses to flip, once you have the first house built or ready to go you can borrow against it.
Popular Post StriderHiryu Posted 7 August 2021 Popular Post Posted 7 August 2021 Back the owners and their judgement all the way. They are the best owners of any club in world football and have blessed the city, the club and it's supporters with success, pride and a lasting legacy. Whatever Top decides, I back him 110%. 17
Popular Post ajthefox Posted 7 August 2021 Popular Post Posted 7 August 2021 31 minutes ago, UHDrive said: Agree to disagree. While most other clubs take advantage of FFP and move forward, we'll very likely move backwards should we not take these glaringly obvious advantages. You talk about businesses.....that isn't what a business owner would do with capital available. Do you own a business with a value comparable to King Power? This football club has been run very well the last few years on and off the pitch and is in good hands. Fans always want us to spend more than we do. Not really sure why, given that historically for us and many other PL clubs bigger transfer sprees have often been poor value for money. Anything we say is conjecture and speculation, and frankly I think what you've said sounds pretty big headed in suggesting the decision is so easy and obvious, and that we will move backwards as if the club aren't constantly evaluating these types of things, and judging the risk/reward ratios. You say other clubs are taking advantage of FFP - well since when did we want to run ourselves like every other PL club? Who should we be emulating? Man City? Man Utd? Arsenal? Chelsea? Spurs? Everton? West Ham? Cause I sure as sh*t don't want us to emulate any of those clubs off the pitch. Not that we can compete with half of them and be sustainable anyway. 4 1
davieG Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 I would imagine when the budgets were set there would be a contingency/reserve fund included in case of things like the Fofana injury but they're not going to shout about it. 1 1
Popular Post Babylon Posted 7 August 2021 Popular Post Posted 7 August 2021 47 minutes ago, UHDrive said: Agree to disagree. While most other clubs take advantage of FFP and move forward, we'll very likely move backwards should we not take these glaringly obvious advantages. You talk about businesses.....that isn't what a business owner would do with capital available. As he said, they’ve already put money in. The last two seasons we are going to have lost a huge amount of money, that they’ve had to cover. And yet we have outspent most teams already. We can’t compete with the spend of the big 6. Simple as that, forget it. 5
PhillippaT Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 59 minutes ago, TrentFox said: Jeez! Saw this thread and thought we were selling them ! 😳 I was wondering why The Owners were in the Transfer thread! No transfer! No transfer number 5 the Thais! 1
mazarron fox Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 We have amazing owners sadly we have total dicks on here too! The ones who are telling our owners what they should do have probably never run a business let alone a multi national like our owners! Quite comical really 3
An Sionnach Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 Developing our young players to PL standard is vital for clubs like ours with limited spending ability. Even if we produce just one a season it will save us many millions. In the last three years we have brought through, Barnes, Thomas and KDH to a high standard and looking well up to PL quality. If this year we can do the same with Sowah , we will have saved a fortune in transfer fees 1
UHDrive Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 1 hour ago, coolhandfox said: What I know about business you could write on a postage stamp. I'm just going on the past evidence. So how much do you think we will spend between now and the end of the window? Buggered if I know... here's to hoping we have a good season no matter what! 🙏 1
UHDrive Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 1 hour ago, ajthefox said: Do you own a business with a value comparable to King Power? This football club has been run very well the last few years on and off the pitch and is in good hands. Fans always want us to spend more than we do. Not really sure why, given that historically for us and many other PL clubs bigger transfer sprees have often been poor value for money. Anything we say is conjecture and speculation, and frankly I think what you've said sounds pretty big headed in suggesting the decision is so easy and obvious, and that we will move backwards as if the club aren't constantly evaluating these types of things, and judging the risk/reward ratios. You say other clubs are taking advantage of FFP - well since when did we want to run ourselves like every other PL club? Who should we be emulating? Man City? Man Utd? Arsenal? Chelsea? Spurs? Everton? West Ham? Cause I sure as sh*t don't want us to emulate any of those clubs off the pitch. Not that we can compete with half of them and be sustainable anyway. I'm not asking to spend more, I'm asking my club if they can take advantage of ffp and cover injuries then can they. The short answer is, in a business case, yes. I've been through the other points countless times so I'm not going to get bogged down in finances. Here's to another season anyway....
UHDrive Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 1 hour ago, Babylon said: As he said, they’ve already put money in. The last two seasons we are going to have lost a huge amount of money, that they’ve had to cover. And yet we have outspent most teams already. We can’t compete with the spend of the big 6. Simple as that, forget it. You say we've outspent. That doesn't include for players leaving which I'm sure will be the case soon enough. Players leaving alone should have a massive impact on where we should be come the end of the transfer window and I've commented already on outgoing players in another thread.
UHDrive Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 20 minutes ago, mazarron fox said: We have amazing owners sadly we have total dicks on here too! The ones who are telling our owners what they should do have probably never run a business let alone a multi national like our owners! Quite comical really Your mother should wash your mouth out with soap. 1
Babylon Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 16 minutes ago, UHDrive said: You say we've outspent. That doesn't include for players leaving which I'm sure will be the case soon enough. Players leaving alone should have a massive impact on where we should be come the end of the transfer window and I've commented already on outgoing players in another thread. You can't account for anything I'm afraid, players could get injured, moves might not happen etc. 1
MPH Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 3 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...I read somewhere on this forum that the club's value was now something like £325m!!! Just like building a port folio in respect of acquiring houses to flip, once you have the first house built or ready to go you can borrow against it. but doesn’t the more debt a company has lower its value?
Vardinio'sCat Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 Let's face it. We are the best club in the land. 1
Ric Flair Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 Arsenal want them for Gunnersaurus, Kroenke and 18 quid.
fuchsntf Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 Its easy,easy Time for me... First 2-3 months, Amartey,Soyu,Benkovic (possible) Bertrand, can be our CBs...Evans return November/Fofana ca. Febuary 2022 Justin & Castagna ,we might see end of September,then Thomas & Ricardo, Completes a more than decent backline Find a reasonable CB in the Bertrand mode..free- £4 million..If we Dont ,I Really Dont Think we Need to panic.. Time to actually Trust in our invested players und Cover players....we did well last season with fringe-players, we Couldnt have competed with Top 3-5, without them... 1
Grebfromgrebland Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 Haven't we just built a £100m training complex and now looking expand the stadium? This has to be factored in to any discussion here. Plus the transfer window is still open let's see where we are after that. Who is really out spending us? Maybe 1 or 2 clubs that are a similar size to us.
Bptiger Posted 7 August 2021 Posted 7 August 2021 7 hours ago, UHDrive said: Your mother should wash your mouth out with soap. Well said , we as fans don’t have to worry about the end game , we have our say doesn’t matter if we are right or wrong , that’s why we are fans , we just want to see are team come 1st how we get there we really don’t care or we’re the money comes from . So don’t be so hard on the people who spent there hard earned supporting there team . Cheers
FoxFossil Posted 8 August 2021 Posted 8 August 2021 The training centre is key to the clubs strategy. For a club in a medium sized town, the current plan is just perfect. Even with Wes's temp replacement, buy a good (affordable) youngster that will grow in value. Keep the spending sustainable, and ignore the crazies who want to splurge the cash, and we build, build, build. Rome wasn't built in day. Enjoy each step forward. 1
fox_favourite Posted 8 August 2021 Posted 8 August 2021 I have no issues with the owners and I don’t think anyone should. you have to remember their core business is duty free. The world isn’t travelling as much and with countries in lockdown/allowed lists etc it will hit their finances, thus affecting the transfers. The clubs business strategy seems to be working and long may it continue. If we invest too much now, that could hit us long term or in the future.
Leeds Fox Posted 8 August 2021 Posted 8 August 2021 I know Top is a businessman and unlikely to make decisions based on sentiment. However, after the FA Cup win and the win yesterday, does anyone think that he may be willing to inject cash in an aim to have more days like yesterday. After everything that’s happened, the club must give him so much joy, and the winning feeling is infectious. Just a thought.
Steve Earle Posted 8 August 2021 Posted 8 August 2021 43 minutes ago, Leeds Fox said: I know Top is a businessman and unlikely to make decisions based on sentiment. However, after the FA Cup win and the win yesterday, does anyone think that he may be willing to inject cash in an aim to have more days like yesterday. After everything that’s happened, the club must give him so much joy, and the winning feeling is infectious. Just a thought. It’s a very good thought! We don’t know do we? But you could make a case to Top that we are two signings away from being hugely competitive in cup and top four terms. It might be now or never?
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