Dennis Praet To Torino on loan

[An Sionnach]

11 minutes ago, Xen said:

Its possible that's a turn of phrase where the meaning hasnt quite carried across the same when translated? It's totally understandable that he didn't feel like it was his trophy to lift when he'd only played a token part in getting to the final, and wasn't really a part of the first team at all at that point. It feeling 'sour' has a stronger meaning for us as native speakers but maybe he just meant it felt 'off' and uncomfortable when he himself hadn't really earned it?

 

Ultimately though, LCFC didn't treat him brilliantly so if his remarks are negative towards us then he's justified in those also. When we get it right it seems like we can really get it right, but like any club there are going to be cases which don't quite play out as they should, and Praet is one of those for us. Hopefully we can sort the issues before it affects any more of the squad and future signings...

We have got it wrong time and time again since we won the title, this is not an isolated incident. This has cost us a great deal of money as well.

[Paninistickers]

21 minutes ago, Xen said:

Its possible that's a turn of phrase where the meaning hasnt quite carried across the same when translated? It's totally understandable that he didn't feel like it was his trophy to lift when he'd only played a token part in getting to the final, and wasn't really a part of the first team at all at that point. It feeling 'sour' has a stronger meaning for us as native speakers but maybe he just meant it felt 'off' and uncomfortable when he himself hadn't really earned it?

 

Ultimately though, LCFC didn't treat him brilliantly so if his remarks are negative towards us then he's justified in those also. When we get it right it seems like we can really get it right, but like any club there are going to be cases which don't quite play out as they should, and Praet is one of those for us. Hopefully we can sort the issues before it affects any more of the squad and future signings...

The phrase he was presumably looking for was 'bitter sweet'....an entirely understandable feeling

[Ric Flair]

2 hours ago, Mark said:

It felt sour to win his first trophy since 2014? Well it’s good job he didn’t participate then as we wouldn’t have gone all the way, and it’s highly unlikely he’ll win anything else.

I know you don't rate him but there's absolutely no excuse not to have given him more minutes when Maddison and Perez were whiffing the place up in that final quarter of the season. That's on Rodgers and it cannot be ignored.

[Hales]

I should imagine he felt bitter sweet when lifting the trophy and also don't think he said anything rudely and I would be surprised if he didn't feel that way.  He was treated badly and as he said others were not excelling.  He has said everything we all thought anyway.  I think Brendan is the one that needs to reflect on what he has said not Praet.  Has he burnt his bridges? Maybe but maybe he needs to say these things this way if he doesn't feel comfortable saying them directly to Brendan.  I am surprised at Brendan that discussions were not had.  He is still in close contact with Timmy and I should imagine Youri so I hope his poor treatment doesn't leave a negative taste in their mouths.  

[drumbeat]

I think it wise to consider translation issues. Stuff does get lost in translation.

 

For me, I read it as saying that it was a victory that he didn't feel a part of, or as if he felt he hadn't contributed in any meaningful way to it. As if he was gate crashing a party. I can get my head around that.

[foxinsocks]

13 hours ago, moore_94 said:

There is one just isn't mandatory, Torino still have a clause they can activate if they want

 

I wondered if he may return and get another chance if Youri leaves next summer

This is how it should be. If he does well Torino dont want to see the price go up.  Unfortunately we were not bright enough to put in such a clause when we loaned youri

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, An Sionnach said:

We have got it wrong time and time again since we won the title, this is not an isolated incident. This has cost us a great deal of money as well.

...this is not so much as getting it wrong, more a failure to communicate!!!

  Praet has also voiced his feelings in respect of why he has been constantly left out and no forthcoming explanations from the manager or coaching staff.

  Sometimes it is easier to speak from outside of the country, of the club you are contracted to, and believing the local journalist would give you a fair report. 

  We have found ourselves playing with two number 8s recently after we shipped him out and not giving him the opportunity to play in his preferred role.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Just doesn't look good on Brendan, shows that if it's not his signing he doesn't rate them. It can't be good for team cohesion when you have some that are favorites and other that are ignored. 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Brendan should of factored in that it could effect Youri and Castagne's by not having their mate around in a foreign country to hang around. No wonder Castagne's been linked to Italy and think Youri will definitely be off in Jan or Summer next year.

[nnfox]

29 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Brendan should of factored in that it could effect Youri and Castagne's by not having their mate around in a foreign country to hang around. No wonder Castagne's been linked to Italy and think Youri will definitely be off in Jan or Summer next year.

This is a good point.  Look at what's happened to Cags after the way Under was treated.

[HighPeakFox]

I'd like to politely remind some of you that correlation is not causation. 

[BKLFox]

47 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Brendan should of factored in that it could effect Youri and Castagne's by not having their mate around in a foreign country to hang around. No wonder Castagne's been linked to Italy and think Youri will definitely be off in Jan or Summer next year.

He says in the very same article that him & Timmy didn't know each other until they came to Leicester, they are hardly big buddies that will see a wedge driven between Timmy & Rodgers with Timmy downing tools or wanting out because his countryman has moved on, they are in a profession that sees them make & lose friends nearly every 2-3yrs.
I could be wrong & the new state of the art kindergarten we moved into is going into meltdown.

[Deeg67]

17 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

He says in the very same article that him & Timmy didn't know each other until they came to Leicester, they are hardly big buddies that will see a wedge driven between Timmy & Rodgers with Timmy downing tools or wanting out because his countryman has moved on, they are in a profession that sees them make & lose friends nearly every 2-3yrs.
I could be wrong & the new state of the art kindergarten we moved into is going into meltdown.

He also said in the article that once they were both on Leicester they did become big buddies, and are in currently in contact "every day".

[sacreblueits442]

10 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

He says in the very same article that him & Timmy didn't know each other until they came to Leicester, they are hardly big buddies that will see a wedge driven between Timmy & Rodgers with Timmy downing tools or wanting out because his countryman has moved on, they are in a profession that sees them make & lose friends nearly every 2-3yrs.
I could be wrong & the new state of the art kindergarten we moved into is going into meltdown.

...I seem to remember when we signed Praet that commentators believed he had a higher ceiling than Youri!!!

His signature was to be either, play alongside of, or be Youri's replacement if injured. Always felt it was a bit of a luxury to have this situation but did not envisage the lack of time which would be given to Praet with those endorsements. The fact that we had Maddison in the #10 role made his acquisition even more strange. From what I have seen Praet hasn't the personality to impose himself on the team let alone the squad.

  Bringing in Soumare has effectively squashed any opportunity, of him having a role in this team.

[BKLFox]

14 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

He also said in the article that once they were both on Leicester they did become big buddies, and are in currently in contact "every day".

Maybe Timmy's saying christ thank god that clingy gits gone i've only known him a year & he wants to holiday together, ooh ffs Vards, he's on the bloody phone again....

[LestaFox92]

Nice to know he knows we liked him and that he's not saying no to a future at Leicester just wants to keep moving and that's understandable,
Where rodgers is concerned it's a catch 22 you don't wanna lead a player a long if you know you're not gonna be using him.

what i cant understand and still really makes me wonder about rodgers is he didn't use him at the back end of the season,
especially in the tottenham game he'd rather ruin our midfield and defence than bring on preat for fresh legs.

Edited 14 October 2021 by LestaFox92

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

4 hours ago, BKLFox said:

He says in the very same article that him & Timmy didn't know each other until they came to Leicester, they are hardly big buddies that will see a wedge driven between Timmy & Rodgers with Timmy downing tools or wanting out because his countryman has moved on, they are in a profession that sees them make & lose friends nearly every 2-3yrs.
I could be wrong & the new state of the art kindergarten we moved into is going into meltdown.

I agree, Football is also a fickle business. Managers favor players, and players will always think it's unfair. Even their teammates will sometimes think it is unfair, but they aren't going to down tools because a friend isn't being picked! You can't have a European-competitive squad without having a large number of great players not getting enough game time. Depending upon age, injury, etc., they either wait their chance or look for opportunities elsewhere. It's the nature of the game. I remember someone asking Vardy about N'Golo, Drinkwater, and Mahrez after they left, and if he kept in contact with them. He said he didn't: He's friends with the current squad, and it's rare to keep in touch after people leave (this from the man who had David Nugent as his best man.)

[An Sionnach]

Seriously doubt that Torino will take him, so he could be back next season but will Rodgers still be here?

[Ric Flair]

10 hours ago, Hales said:

I should imagine he felt bitter sweet when lifting the trophy and also don't think he said anything rudely and I would be surprised if he didn't feel that way.  He was treated badly and as he said others were not excelling.  He has said everything we all thought anyway.  I think Brendan is the one that needs to reflect on what he has said not Praet.  Has he burnt his bridges? Maybe but maybe he needs to say these things this way if he doesn't feel comfortable saying them directly to Brendan.  I am surprised at Brendan that discussions were not had.  He is still in close contact with Timmy and I should imagine Youri so I hope his poor treatment doesn't leave a negative taste in their mouths.  

Yeah, some would have criticised him if he'd done an interview saying winning the FA Cup was his proudest moment yet, it would have been pointed out that he barely contributed. It's fairly common that players who " win " trophies but don't have a telling input don't get much personal satisfaction from it, some of our title winners might surprise us in that regard.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

11 hours ago, drumbeat said:

I think it wise to consider translation issues. Stuff does get lost in translation.

For me, I read it as saying that it was a victory that he didn't feel a part of, or as if he felt he hadn't contributed in any meaningful way to it. As if he was gate crashing a party. I can get my head around that.

I suspect, as someone else said, that he probably meant 'bitter sweet' rather than 'sour' but I also understand those on here who constantly slag Rodgers will use it as ammunition to their cause.

 

In terms of translations, I did a zoom interview for TS ahead of the FA Cup Final with Castagne and he used a clunky turn of phrase at one point - nothing significant, it was non-footballing stuff, he was actually trying to make a joke - so after conversation with the club we edited it out so nobody could take it the wrong way.

[cruzFOX]

Whatever the issues were its frustrating Dennis didn't get the same that Brendan has afforded players like Madisson and Perez. 

This is not some upstart or has been. Dennis is a Belgian International with decent experience playing at the top level in Italy.

Surely Rogers could have if he really wanted to found a place for him. It all smells fishy to me - must be something personal.

I just don't get it to be honest and Rogers has been kind evasive about Dennis in interviews.

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, cruzFOX said:

Whatever the issues were its frustrating Dennis didn't get the same that Brendan has afforded players like Madisson and Perez. 

This is not some upstart or has been. Dennis is a Belgian International with decent experience playing at the top level in Italy.

Surely Rogers could have if he really wanted to found a place for him. It all smells fishy to me - must be something personal.

I just don't get it to be honest and Rogers has been kind evasive about Dennis in interviews.

Maybe he just doesn't think he's that good?

[Deeg67]

1 hour ago, Guest said:

Maybe he just doesn't think he's that good?

I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

 

Whatever, to not even give a player of that stature an explanation for what was happening - especially when he has two close friends and international teammates on the side - is pretty dubious judgment.

[Dan]

I don't think Praet was some kind of magic solution to all of our problems but I do think relative to the performance of certain players last season and the opportunities they got, he was right to feel a bit hard done by.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Deeg67 said:

I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

 

Whatever, to not even give a player of that stature an explanation for what was happening - especially when he has two close friends and international teammates on the side - is pretty dubious judgment.

I'm sure it is. I think publicly criticising the manager and players at the team you're still contracted to is pretty dubious judgement too to be honest so can we call it a draw?

 

You've made your views on both Praet and Rodgers very, very clear and I don't share them so I doubt there's any mileage in delving too deeply into this particular situation. My point was more a general one that there is always a conspiracy theory whenever a player falls out of, or never falls into in the first place, a manager's favour. I imagine some managers do take against players for petty reasons but the overwhelming majority of the time it's probably just they think the team is better off with someone else in it, whether they're right or not. Admittedly it's less exciting to say "well, maybe the manager just doesn't rate this player as highly as I do" than "there MUST be something going on behind the scenes, I bet it's some kind of personal vendetta."