Dont look up V's Climate Change

[ozleicester]

What do you think

[fox_favourite]

I have not even heard of the film. 

[leicsmac]

Well, it's an obvious allegory for public ignorance of climate change and general ignorance of scientific method, I'm not sure how that can be denied with a straight face. It's also delivered in incredibly heavy handed satire.

 

Which I'm not sure how effective it is if the intent is to convince people to think differently about the whole matter - as the whole Covid crisis has dragged on I've come to believe that simple ignorance isn't the issue, it's *wilful* ignorance and apathy, aided and encouraged by those due whom the status quo brings power and who don't care about the future, that is the real issue. How *that* problem is neutralised, and it must be, is a bloody difficult question.

 

 

Edited 30 December 2021 by leicsmac

[WigstonWanderer]

As I said in another thread, the whole ship of fools is well represented in the movie. I’d compare it to Doctor Strangelove.

[Nalis]

Mark Rylance's Elon Musk type character is so creepy.

[Raj]

My copy n paste from the films thread, although there are a few posters who loved it.

 

Dont look up(Netflix)

Great cast including Leonardo DiCaprio,  Jen Lawrence.

Film is utter utter utter crap!!! Gave up after 20 minutes.

Dont bother. UTTER BORE

 

[Sly]

I needed an option that states I believe in Climate change and the film was “okay”. 

[Strokes]

Never heard of it. 
What platform is it on?

 

Ok just seen Netflix, I’ll try it when I get the chance.

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[bovril]

Great poll, I really needed more people on social media to tell me their thoughts on this film

Edited 31 December 2021 by bovril

[Pliskin]

I got it, and found it quite funny in a sense of it’s actually very representative of modern life. Exaggerated for the big screen naturally, but the message it delivers is scarily accurate. It’s not just climate change either, but it’s anything that could potentially have a huge impact on human life/functioning of the planet, we seem to have such a blaze approach to.  
 

Particularly the decision to exploit the resources from the comet rather than destroy/deflect it…. That is unfortunately a very accurate representation of how life works on this planet. 
 

There has been quite a lot of material like this through the years suggesting humans would quite happily sacrifice human life to make some extra cash. 
 

Terminator 2 was the first movie I watched when it hit me how ridiculous we can be as a race, when Arnie’s character suggests it’s in our nature to destroy ourselves, it really is……

 

Human demise will be as dramatic as putting a bag over your head and suffocating to death. Shame it won’t be documented, because it will be the most pathetic extinction ever. 

[FLAN]

If a large % of people can’t be bothered to do something in a personal level during a pandemic, there is little chance they will give a monkeys about something decades ahead 

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I got it, and found it quite funny in a sense of it’s actually very representative of modern life. Exaggerated for the big screen naturally, but the message it delivers is scarily accurate. It’s not just climate change either, but it’s anything that could potentially have a huge impact on human life/functioning of the planet, we seem to have such a blaze approach to.  
 

Particularly the decision to exploit the resources from the comet rather than destroy/deflect it…. That is unfortunately a very accurate representation of how life works on this planet. 
 

There has been quite a lot of material like this through the years suggesting humans would quite happily sacrifice human life to make some extra cash. 
 

Terminator 2 was the first movie I watched when it hit me how ridiculous we can be as a race, when Arnie’s character suggests it’s in our nature to destroy ourselves, it really is……

 

Human demise will be as dramatic as putting a bag over your head and suffocating to death. Shame it won’t be documented, because it will be the most pathetic extinction ever. 

I hope you're wrong. I fear you're not.

 

8 minutes ago, FLAN said:

If a large % of people can’t be bothered to do something in a personal level during a pandemic, there is little chance they will give a monkeys about something decades ahead 

That's the thing though - it isn't decades ahead, effects are being felt now and have been for the last several years. It's just that not enough powerful people are feeling those effects - yet.

 

But yes, I certainly agree with the sentiment about apathy - too bad that apathy could be our undoing.

[HighPeakFox]

Can't see it, don't understand it, therefore it doesn't exist. 

 

Oh dear, I fear I've just accidentally made an argument in favour of the existence of a celestial deity... 

 

Oops. 

[Benguin]

Movie was enjoyable for the most part. I do believe in climate change but i think the issue is so complicated that, all though funny, isn't really reflected in the movie. 

[Beliall]

it was shit 

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

You've got corporations filling the seas with shit, car companies faking emissions tests and only getting fined for it, but at least I wash out my tin of baked beans before putting it in the correct bin. 

[FLAN]

5 hours ago, leicsmac said:

I hope you're wrong. I fear you're not.

 

That's the thing though - it isn't decades ahead, effects are being felt now and have been for the last several years. It's just that not enough powerful people are feeling those effects - yet.

 

But yes, I certainly agree with the sentiment about apathy - too bad that apathy could be our undoing.

You are correct. I meant something catastrophic decades ahead 

[ozleicester]

18 hours ago, bovril said:

Great poll, I really needed more people on social media to tell me their thoughts on this film

thanks for your thoughts

[Mike Oxlong]

16 hours ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

You've got corporations filling the seas with shit, car companies faking emissions tests and only getting fined for it, but at least I wash out my tin of baked beans before putting it in the correct bin. 

It’s a bit reckless of you to be eating baked beans though. Your emissions will punch a hole in the ozone layer. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

On 30/12/2021 at 06:36, leicsmac said:

Well, it's an obvious allegory for public ignorance of climate change and general ignorance of scientific method, I'm not sure how that can be denied with a straight face. It's also delivered in incredibly heavy handed satire.

 

Which I'm not sure how effective it is if the intent is to convince people to think differently about the whole matter - as the whole Covid crisis has dragged on I've come to believe that simple ignorance isn't the issue, it's *wilful* ignorance and apathy, aided and encouraged by those due whom the status quo brings power and who don't care about the future, that is the real issue. How *that* problem is neutralised, and it must be, is a bloody difficult question.

 

 

In general I find people tend to believe what is convenient for them. Presented with indefatigable truth that would mean difficult changes, many people will cling to their old beliefs.

 

How people carry on ridiculous traditions and superstition is proof of this.... Though you might not believe it 

[leicsmac]

47 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

In general I find people tend to believe what is convenient for them. Presented with indefatigable truth that would mean difficult changes, many people will cling to their old beliefs.

 

How people carry on ridiculous traditions and superstition is proof of this.... Though you might not believe it 

People tend to be dogmatic and resistant to change, yeah. And given that the entire mechanism of evolution is based on adaptation to change, that's not a good survival strategy.

[Pliskin]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

People tend to be dogmatic and resistant to change, yeah. And given that the entire mechanism of evolution is based on adaptation to change, that's not a good survival strategy.

I think the biggest problem is we’ve arguably removed certain daily challenges from our lives which are basic instincts, thus making live more comfortable and easier to do.

 

A lot of this happened after WWII for me, we’ve mastered being the most dominant species, but in doing so we’ve created a world where everything is easy to obtain, particularly the necessities like fuel, food, water and other essentials. But, we’ve not really paid attention to the sustainability of these necessities, and I think this is where post WWII folk are to blame, naturally the world started to see more eye to eye, and everything started to me mass produced, and year on year our industry just grew bigger and bigger, families got bigger and more demanding, as more opportunities arose and meant more necessities were needed per person rather than per household. Basically, we’ve outgrown ourselves a bit like a weed, but never thought to reign it in when we had a chance.

 

The difficulties for some people will be taking a step back from all of this, and go back to basics. I think we are starting, and I think we are trying to make the right moves, but it is going to take a long time to see any changes, potentially years and years in the future.

 

But can we afford a situation of it getting worse before it gets better? 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I think the biggest problem is we’ve arguably removed certain daily challenges from our lives which are basic instincts, thus making live more comfortable and easier to do.

 

A lot of this happened after WWII for me, we’ve mastered being the most dominant species, but in doing so we’ve created a world where everything is easy to obtain, particularly the necessities like fuel, food, water and other essentials. But, we’ve not really paid attention to the sustainability of these necessities, and I think this is where post WWII folk are to blame, naturally the world started to see more eye to eye, and everything started to me mass produced, and year on year our industry just grew bigger and bigger, families got bigger and more demanding, as more opportunities arose and meant more necessities were needed per person rather than per household. Basically, we’ve outgrown ourselves a bit like a weed, but never thought to reign it in when we had a chance.

 

The difficulties for some people will be taking a step back from all of this, and go back to basics. I think we are starting, and I think we are trying to make the right moves, but it is going to take a long time to see any changes, potentially years and years in the future.

 

But can we afford a situation of it getting worse before it gets better? 

There's a lot to unpack there, some of which I agree with and some I don't.

 

It's undeniable that life has gotten "easier" for large portions of humanity since the end of World War II and this is evident in a vastly increased global population and generally raised standards of life. However, I don't buy the idea that we've "outgrown" ourselves simply because we could - the only reason such a population boom didn't happen before was because of massive child mortality rates around the world, and it is statistical fact that nations approaching a high level of "development" correspond with a lower birth rate and thus overall lower population increase; there's simply no need for that many descendants anymore when the vast majority of them survive. As such, I think there will be a natural brake on the global population increase and it will top out at an amount that, while not comfortable, will be manageable in terms of resources. We don't need adversity to moderate our lives in that way - comfort does the job too.

 

Which leads into the second part here - there is a clear and present problem with overconsumption of resources of all different kinds. However, I don't think a "back to basics" approach (if by what is meant by that is a "simpler" life involving less tech) is the solution. Rather, we should look to apply technological solutions to the problem itself - use human ingenuity to ensure that our consumption becomes more stable, through inventing and utilising new ways of harnessing the resources that we have. With that, we can both preserve the Earth for ourselves and other life and also be ready to defend ourselves against natural threats the Earth can and will send against us.

 

It may be that I'm calling this wrong, and that we're not up to the level of innovation and foresight such a task needs, and as such things will get worse. But from where I'm standing, it's the best play both ethically and practically - use our progress as a tool to make life both more comfortable for everyone and more sustainable. It can be done.

[Jattdogg]

V is fo vendetta?

 

Honestly,  never heard of this film is it on netflix? Lol

[SecretPro]

14 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

 

*ignore, was being thick

Edited 1 January 2022 by SecretPro