Transfer funds

[Danny280995]

5 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said:

Our cheeks are definitely getting clapped this summer 

Rodgers won't survive the season 

[orangecity23]

13 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Sounds more like a Dutch wonderkid with that name. Dirk Clappers, the new Cruyff, straight out of the Ajax academy....

Very pacy player. Goes like the ...

[StriderHiryu]

4 hours ago, fairbanksh said:

So overall the planning and management are shambolic. Rudkin is known to be a pretty poor negotiator. Not sure who was responsible for last year's Southampton dross. No proper recruitment team. Not sure where Rodgers is in this mess

Time for Top to intervene

Is that the same Rudkin who negotiated sales of Riyad Mahrez for 60m and Harry Maguire for 80m?

 

Vestergaard a definite flop but the club had to act fast after the Fofana injury. 
 

Rudkin is far from perfect but objectively he’s a good negotiator. 
 

Waiting to shift players on before buying them is the reason Leicester are a well run club rather than the farce we see at Everton. Also the season we came up, so did Bournemouth and Burnley. Yet only one of those teams became a mainstay and competitive team in the Premier League and that was us. All under Rudkin. 
 

 

Edited 17 July 2022 by StriderHiryu

[adejo92]

Didn't Barcelona end up in a similar position?

Far from skint, but too many players on too much money mean't that money wasn't managed properly.

[hamptonfox]

So if we sell manage to sell anyone thats on too big a pay packet (for their current ability), then those we bring in will need to be paid less? - if we are burning through 90% of our turnover just on players wages 

 

I presume we will be shopping for those paid much less currently, and hoping they turn into top quality players, and only then would we increase their pay, and contract length, to keep them.

 

Pleas don’t overpay anyone from Southampton.

 

Last summer was an absolute nightmare, Soumare, Bertrand, Vestergaard and Daka bought.

Lookman on Loan

 

Sold/given away

Benkovic

Ghezaal

 

We flushed all of our available transfer and wages money down the toilet last summer, and for that, last season, we got a back-up centre forward, and 3 others who would be lucky to make the bench if we had a fully fit squad.

 

Its painful to think that this summer we are suffering for wasting last seasons transfer window.

But that’s the way it goes, when you get a transfer window so wrong, and end up with players on big bucks, c/w their current ability when playing for us.

 

We probably now have to revert back to our standard summer window of selling someone for a big fee, and working from those funds raised, on our recruitment,

 

Without a big sale, we have nothing.

 

Maybe we need one or two from the U23s to breakthrough instead. 

Edited 17 July 2022 by hamptonfox

[SheppyFox]

The problem with moving players on is that someone actually has to want to buy them, and our squad is full of over paid tripe, adding another issue of “why would I want to move downward for less money” from the players perspective..

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

We didn’t sell anyone last summer 

 

we havent sold anyone yet this summer 

 

we dont have a sugar daddy like villa do.  Our squad is deeper than theirs,  West Ham and Everton 

 

we’re suffering from the trend for players to see it their contracts. This will happen to all clubs and affect the non big six more. 

if the player and agent want to see out the contract for extra gains then we should just not play them all season, one way to stop the issue

[J.Lisemore]

Going to be difficult to shift a few of these lads, massive wages with average ability. 

[An Sionnach]

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

if the player and agent want to see out the contract for extra gains then we should just not play them all season, one way to stop the issue

Trouble is, lose a few matches and they would be screaming for Rodgers to bring them back on here.

[Webbo]

I predict by the end of the window we'll have moved 3 or 4 on, 1 or 2 maybe loans and bought 2 or 3 in. 

 

Im sure I'll get the usual insightful  reply, but time will tell. 

Edited 17 July 2022 by Webbo

[st albans fox]

24 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

if the player and agent want to see out the contract for extra gains then we should just not play them all season, one way to stop the issue

If agents already have loose agreements with clubs a year ahead then it may not be much of a risk for them to not play …… as I said in another thread, it can’t be too much aggro to spend the season training at seagrave and then pocketing a double figure s/o fee 

 

the club will lose more by trying to make a point 

[Bordersfox]

Just now, Webbo said:

I predict by the end of the window we'll have moved 3 or 4 on, 1 or a maybe loans and bought 2 or 3 in. 

 

Im sure I'll get the usual insightful  reply, but time will tell. 

Actually I agree.  I think that's a likely scenario.  And that would do me in the circumstances.  CB and right winger + Youri replacement if he buggers off.  

[Dahnsouff]

27 minutes ago, J.Lisemore said:

Going to be difficult to shift a few of these lads, massive wages with average ability. 

Its not difficult to shift them, we could offere them for loan with us paying 90% of their wages, and that would likely generate a queue.

 

Its shifting them on terms we can live with thats the problem, but I guess that was implicit with your statement   

[DezFox]

1 hour ago, SheppyFox said:

The problem with moving players on is that someone actually has to want to buy them, and our squad is full of over paid tripe, adding another issue of “why would I want to move downward for less money” from the players perspective..

Hopefully for the likes of vestergard he would take a lower wage at a lower level team to ensure a place in the World Cup squad 

[Ashlar86]

Pretty sure most lcfc fans since the premier league win became delusional. From the very start vichai said the club will be ran sustainably . We are not gonna be one of these clubs who goes bust or just gets inside ffp. Also its a buissness extension of king power in essence and in football theres very little profit so i cannot blame them for not opening the cheque book untill players have gone . Didnt we also loose congerton to atalanta and we are or have recruited southamptons but he cannot start till after the transfer window

[Phenom]

6 minutes ago, Ashlar86 said:

Pretty sure most lcfc fans since the premier league win became delusional. From the very start vichai said the club will be ran sustainably . We are not gonna be one of these clubs who goes bust or just gets inside ffp. Also its a buissness extension of king power in essence and in football theres very little profit so i cannot blame them for not opening the cheque book untill players have gone . Didnt we also loose congerton to atalanta and we are or have recruited southamptons but he cannot start till after the transfer window

Owning a sports club is usually not the smartest business. 

[RedSoxUK]

I know people have mentioned missing CL a few years, and although that is a reason (though not so much as we shouldn't be expecting or planning for that,) we were still able to invest - the last few years about £50m net spend, around that anyway - some could be Chilwell money, but we also got rid of multiple high earners.

 

Someone closer to the accounts will be able to explain in detail if there is a money problem - I suspect it's not actually THAT bad it's more to do with our big squad. We've become bloated, and we don't have European football this year* which is massive, probably the biggest reason as to why we're talking about money.

 

We're paying too much to fringe players, but it's still a pittance compared to the top 6, so realistically it was always going to catch up with us. Websites don't indicate we:re the 7th highest for wage bill, we're more like 9th-10th.

 

So I think it's the predicted loss of revenue from no European football coupled with a bloated squad, it's not sustainable to bring players in and let assets rot away. We should be loaning/selling players that don't fit into our plans, and we can't.

 

 

*Something like 20-25m lost revenue from Europa League and 7m lost on finishing 8th instead of 5th.

 

 

[splinterdream]

Either

 

1.) There is no trust in Rodgers to recruit, and we aren't going to pay off his contract so we're playing the waiting game till he's gone.

 

2.) We have no accesible funds unless we sell and each player has a reserve price not being met.

 

We have had a fair few stinkers over the past 5/6 years but we've always been able to cut our losses with our assets, I think we're now running short of those assets

[whoareyaaa]

29 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

If agents already have loose agreements with clubs a year ahead then it may not be much of a risk for them to not play …… as I said in another thread, it can’t be too much aggro to spend the season training at seagrave and then pocketing a double figure s/o fee 

 

the club will lose more by trying to make a point 

the club will lose nothing, if anything they would have a committed player who actually wants to be here the following season.

Edited 17 July 2022 by whoareyaaa

[RedSoxUK]

3 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

So I think it's the predicted loss of revenue from no European football coupled with a bloated squad, it's not sustainable to bring players in and let assets rot away. We should be loaning/selling players that don't fit into our plans, and we can't.

Just to add, potentially losing saleable assets we've paid big money for next season is a huge red flag to a club like ours. Nearly 90m chalked off if we don't manage to sell.. Youri - 40m / Perez - 30m / Soyuncu - 20m

[Babylon]

6 minutes ago, RedSoxUK said:

I know people have mentioned missing CL a few years, and although that is a reason (though not so much as we shouldn't be expecting or planning for that,) we were still able to invest - the last few years about £50m net spend, around that anyway - some could be Chilwell money, but we also got rid of multiple high earners.

 

Someone closer to the accounts will be able to explain in detail if there is a money problem - I suspect it's not actually THAT bad it's more to do with our big squad. We've become bloated, and we don't have European football this year* which is massive, probably the biggest reason as to why we're talking about money.

 

We're paying too much to fringe players, but it's still a pittance compared to the top 6, so realistically it was always going to catch up with us. Websites don't indicate we:re the 7th highest for wage bill, we're more like 9th-10th.

 

So I think it's the predicted loss of revenue from no European football coupled with a bloated squad, it's not sustainable to bring players in and let assets rot away. We should be loaning/selling players that don't fit into our plans, and we can't.

 

 

*Something like 20-25m lost revenue from Europa League and 7m lost on finishing 8th instead of 5th.

 

 

Missing out on champions league is like me saying I’ve got no money because it didn’t win the lottery, it’s not a valid reason. 
 

This season wages can’t be more than 90% of revenue, next year 80%, year after 70%. If we want to play in Europe, then we need to get wages under control quickly.

 

Welcome to the new world FFP that closes the shop to Europe to those with the biggest revenues once again. How can you get europe without trying to match them, but if you do that and get there you won’t be allowed to take part!!
 

We’ve maxed out, simple as that. There might be cash there to spend if we remove wages, but even that isn’t a given. We lost huge amounts over covid AND backed the manager, got a £100m training ground and want to extend the ground. 
 

Balancing all of that whilst trying to stay competitive is a thankless task. You are going to have ups and downs, sadly people don’t seem able to grasp that and expect a bottomless pit of cash. 

[Long Eaton Fox]

With the new head of recruitment not arriving until after the transfer window closes and no money, I think we can safely close the entire transfer talk thread. Sorry.

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

2 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said:

With the new head of recruitment not arriving until after the transfer window closes and no money, I think we can safely close the entire transfer talk thread. Sorry.

Ok thanks.

 

In before the lock.

[HankMarvin]

With this being common knowledge now surely it puts us in a weaker position when negotiating transfer fees out as clubs will know we are somewhat desperate to get rid of players.

[J.Lisemore]

42 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Its not difficult to shift them, we could offere them for loan with us paying 90% of their wages, and that would likely generate a queue.

 

Its shifting them on terms we can live with thats the problem, but I guess that was implicit with your statement   

Yeah your bang on mate, we can give them away to an extent and free up a place but it needs to make sense money wise with our investment. The Soumare signing is the most ridiculous really, long contract, offered next to nothing and he's on 80k a week.