volpeazzurro Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 5 hours ago, sm1 said: He'll play great when he arrives, putting in MOM performances. Then as Rodgers spends more time "coaching" him, he'll become increasingly shit, ending up on the bench with his confidence completely shot. Let's hope it doesn't follow this familiar scenario. 🤞 A like Faus then. Brendan Rodgers, King Midas in reverse! 1
fox_favourite Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: A like Faus then. Brendan Rodgers, King Midas in reverse! Dont burst the bubble before he’s signed. Give us a chance to get excited Edited 19 January 2023 by fox_favourite 1
Popular Post Ed 1 Posted 19 January 2023 Popular Post Posted 19 January 2023 3 hours ago, The_77 said: Yeah, I know Young Luke is having a rough go lately but it’s atrocious how many times he receives the ball out wide while Barnes is miles away up the pitch and our CMs can’t be bothered to provide an outlet. Ndidi and Mendy are giving him absolutely nothing while Ward insists on playing that chipped pass to an isolated Thomas. LT is probably missing KDH more than anyone right now.  As for Kristiansen, this kid looks like the real deal— I’m interested to see how he handles the ball under the same circumstances, he seems to have a bit more strength, maybe he can buy himself enough time for one of his teammates to wake up and ask for the ball. The difficulty with Luke is I can’t think of one thing he’s particularly good at: he doesn’t assist, he’s not great on the ball, he’s weak, doesn’t look bothered, not great in the air, not overly good at defending. Who knows a loan may do him good but he’s no better than when he made his debut nearly 3 years ago. IMO he’s one of a fair few that are not good enough at this level sadly. 11
Popular Post CloudFox Posted 19 January 2023 Popular Post Posted 19 January 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ed 1 said: The difficulty with Luke is I can’t think of one thing he’s particularly good at: he doesn’t assist, he’s not great on the ball, he’s weak, doesn’t look bothered, not great in the air, not overly good at defending. Who knows a loan may do him good but he’s no better than when he made his debut nearly 3 years ago. IMO he’s one of a fair few that are not good enough at this level sadly. We can't really say this though, as there have been games when he's had Salah in his back pocket.  He needs more protection, which Barnes doesn't provide, and nor does our midfield at the moment. I think he needs a run in an upper Championship team to get that confidence back and show what he's made of. As with KDH and Barnes, that will give him the platform to kick on.  Not to make this another Brendan-bashing thread, but I also don't think he's been coached to improve either. I can't think of a player, besides Maddison, who has improved since Rodgers has been here. And Maddison is clearly very driven, so I think that improvement is largely thanks to his own determination to get better. Edited 19 January 2023 by CloudFox 5
Ed 1 Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 18 minutes ago, CloudFox said: We can't really say this though, as there have been games when he's had Salah in his back pocket.  He needs more protection, which Barnes doesn't provide, and nor does our midfield at the moment. I think he needs a run in an upper Championship team to get that confidence back and show what he's made of. As with KDH and Barnes, that will give him the platform to kick on.  Not to make this another Brendan-bashing thread, but I also don't think he's been coached to improve either. I can't think of a player, besides Maddison, who has improved since Rodgers has been here. And Maddison is clearly very driven, so I think that improvement is largely thanks to his own determination to get better. Let me ask you this then mate: do you think Luke Thomas is a premier league footballer?  Many players can have an ok game or two but it doesn’t make them good enough at this level. He’s played nearly 50 games now and has had way more bad games than good.  Sorry but I’m not sure I understand the “get that confidence back and show what he’s made of” comment. His issue is not confidence, it’s lack of quality, and “what he’s made of” is a combination of laziness and lack of resilience.  We are entering an incredibly important part of the season - a relegation scrap. We need people who have either heart and desire to fight (ie KDH) or that bit of footballing nous (ie madders, youri). Unfortunately Luke possesses neither of the aforementioned qualities…. 2
volpeazzurro Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ed 1 said: Let me ask you this then mate: do you think Luke Thomas is a premier league footballer?  Many players can have an ok game or two but it doesn’t make them good enough at this level. He’s played nearly 50 games now and has had way more bad games than good.  Sorry but I’m not sure I understand the “get that confidence back and show what he’s made of” comment. His issue is not confidence, it’s lack of quality, and “what he’s made of” is a combination of laziness and lack of resilience.  We are entering an incredibly important part of the season - a relegation scrap. We need people who have either heart and desire to fight (ie KDH) or that bit of footballing nous (ie madders, youri). Unfortunately Luke possesses neither of the aforementioned qualities…. Haven't many of our players had more bad than good games in their last 50? Tielemans, Barnes, Armarty, Ndidi etc.  Yes, Thomas has not excelled but as a young full back with little or no protection in front of him is he not far more susceptible to criticism? In our current situation, should we reasonably expect him to be full of confidence and shine? Bar Maddison, he'd be the only one! He's supposed to be a seasoned international now of great acclaim!  Compare to a player like Tielemans who, despite the very occasional great goal or occasional accurate pass, hides in midfield, regularly gives the ball away, shows little energy or pace, but is a fans and managers favourite. Is Tielemans really that much better performance wise?  It would certainly do him good to get away just to get a better manager/coach because currently, the one's he's got here are pretty bloody useless. I wouldn't blame any of them for leaving as under the current regime, their careers will only stagnate or regress. No wonder some are gagging to get away, I would too and I'm supposedly a supporter! Edited 19 January 2023 by volpeazzurro 3
StriderHiryu Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 9 hours ago, Shane said: Love this comment from a Copenhagen fan  Leicester will get a 20 year old that can run 12km every match and then cycle home afterwards. https://imgur.com/a/acbhmJG  Pfft. Kante would run home after the match. Cycling is cheating! 4
StriderHiryu Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 1 hour ago, Ed 1 said: The difficulty with Luke is I can’t think of one thing he’s particularly good at: he doesn’t assist, he’s not great on the ball, he’s weak, doesn’t look bothered, not great in the air, not overly good at defending. Who knows a loan may do him good but he’s no better than when he made his debut nearly 3 years ago. IMO he’s one of a fair few that are not good enough at this level sadly. To be fair to Thomas, he did not have a loan season away from the club like Barnes, Chilwell, KDH or Hamza. It may turn out he is more Hamza than Chilwell, IE good for a top of the Championship club than a Premier league club, but we don't really know. He was thrust into the team in very difficult circumstances, during Covid!  Let him play 30+ games in a row in the Championship and we will see what sort of player he is.  Kristiansen was playing really well in the Champions League at his age, so we know he can operate at a high level already. 3
Dahnsouff Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 1 minute ago, StriderHiryu said: To be fair to Thomas, he did not have a loan season away from the club like Barnes, Chilwell, KDH or Hamza. It may turn out he is more Hamza than Chilwell, IE good for a top of the Championship club than a Premier league club, but we don't really know. He was thrust into the team in very difficult circumstances, during Covid!  Let him play 30+ games in a row in the Championship and we will see what sort of player he is.  Kristiansen was playing really well in the Champions League at his age, so we know he can operate at a high level already. Its curious that Luke didn`t or wasn't allowed to follow the well trodden path Chilwell, Barnes, KDH took, a path that clearly has worked previously 2
StriderHiryu Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Its curious that Luke didn`t or wasn't allowed to follow the well trodden path Chilwell, Barnes, KDH took, a path that clearly has worked previously I think Rodgers stated the reason why was because due to injuries, they needed the cover. Bertrand, Ricardo and JJ all out, all for lengthy periods. That is very unfortunate, especially when it's ACL injuries for two of those players. 4
Clarkey123 Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Its curious that Luke didn`t or wasn't allowed to follow the well trodden path Chilwell, Barnes, KDH took, a path that clearly has worked previously Probably because we’re so short. If we get this young lad and then jj and Ricardo come back, hopefully he can get a loan out next season. 1
Torten Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 7 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Its curious that Luke didn`t or wasn't allowed to follow the well trodden path Chilwell, Barnes, KDH took, a path that clearly has worked previously Necessity I think, it’s been rare that we’ve had all our full backs fit and clearly when we do we’re not confident about keeping them that way and letting one of them go out on loan.
Popular Post ozleicester Posted 19 January 2023 Popular Post Posted 19 January 2023 Seems young to be a PL Manager, but ill take him 7
UHDrive Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 35 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Its curious that Luke didn`t or wasn't allowed to follow the well trodden path Chilwell, Barnes, KDH took, a path that clearly has worked previously I'm split on this. Totally agree that it's bazaar but I remember him being drafted in around the time during covid when we had the injury crisis of the century and his first game was west ham which I remember seeing and he was excellent around that period. At the moment though and reflecting back, I'd sell him or loan him, or loan him and sell him.
Kilworthfox Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 Thomas will fetch ÂŁ10-15 million.  We turned down offers of such before the season started.  He is not a Premier league standard player, and I don't see him becoming one.  He has a value as he is a homegrown player as he is English and is needed to fill a 25 man squad.Â
AjcW Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 Just now, Kilworthfox said: Thomas will fetch £10-15 million.  We turned down offers of such before the season started.  He is not a Premier league standard player, and I don't see him becoming one.  He has a value as he is a homegrown player as he is English and is needed to fill a 25 man squad. And he's an U21 regular. 1
StriderHiryu Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 Stats for the player from Football Manager. FM to give it some credit is surprisingly good for this sort of stuff! You've got a player who already has decent attributes, but when you consider the guy is only 20 years old, the growth potential is huge.  His heading ability is a bit of a concern, and I've heard that from FCK fans too, that it's an area he could improve given his height, but it's perhaps now as bad as it's listed here. Everyone in real life speaks highly of his mental attributes and IMO at top level football that's the difference between making it and not. And it looks like VK is already very strong in this area.  I think overall we should expect a player who comes in and is initially solid rather than a superstar, but one we should be hoping starts to shine in 2-3 years time. Â
FrankieADZ Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 thing with Thomas he needs a season of full experience, send him to the championship for a season then see how he fairs with us after imo, i dont truly discount thomas atm 1
jerry Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 53 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: Pfft. Kante would run home after the match. Cycling is cheating! Sounds as if running and cycling is the criteria then he will be a good acquisition 🤔 1
KFS Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 5 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said: Stats for the player from Football Manager. FM to give it some credit is surprisingly good for this sort of stuff! You've got a player who already has decent attributes, but when you consider the guy is only 20 years old, the growth potential is huge.  His heading ability is a bit of a concern, and I've heard that from FCK fans too, that it's an area he could improve given his height, but it's perhaps now as bad as it's listed here. Everyone in real life speaks highly of his mental attributes and IMO at top level football that's the difference between making it and not. And it looks like VK is already very strong in this area.  I think overall we should expect a player who comes in and is initially solid rather than a superstar, but one we should be hoping starts to shine in 2-3 years time.  Ah great, another left back who is going to get caught under raking balls out wide (teams have been targeting Luke with this for months) 1
StriderHiryu Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 1 minute ago, KFS said: Ah great, another left back who is going to get caught under raking balls out wide (teams have been targeting Luke with this for months) That is a fair concern. Teams did that to Chilwell too!
KFS Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 Just now, StriderHiryu said: That is a fair concern. Teams did that to Chilwell too! Since we’re talking FM, that would be easily fixed by bringing in Danny Simpson as defensive coach 1 1
Hales Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 (edited) Medical today, thank god! Someone's joining us! Edited 19 January 2023 by Hales
JimJams Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 9 minutes ago, Kilworthfox said: Thomas will fetch £10-15 million.  We turned down offers of such before the season started. We didn't. There was a twitter rumour that West Ham wanted him, but that was actually JJ and the source mixed it up. Or was there something else? Cos I don't see us turning that kind of offer down for our essentially 3rd/4th choice lb.
AjcW Posted 19 January 2023 Posted 19 January 2023 Just now, JimJams said: We didn't. There was a twitter rumour that West Ham wanted him, but that was actually JJ and the source mixed it up. Or was there something else? Cos I don't see us turning that kind of offer down for our essentially 3rd/4th choice lb. Seem to remember Brentford?
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