The Quick Brown Fox Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 2 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Let see how long it is before we finish in the top 6 again before we dismiss how good a season 19/20, 21/20 were. Or just how good an opportunity it was to finish top 4 that was thrown away (twice). Let's not try to defend the indefensible. 2
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 Brendan was good for his moment - first two years - not many will deny that. After that his time dwindled to where we are now. There is no shame in thinking a managers cycle is at end, and we should in hindsight have cashed in when Spurs came calling - or if not that sacked earlier this season or last. We hung on to him for way too long. Some of us say it at points last season, and I flip flopped until start of this season. Shame the board didn’t see it earlier. Because it may well be too late. 2
Popular Post Diffco Posted 2 April 2023 Popular Post Posted 2 April 2023 5th place finishes would have been a remarkable achievement IF a cushion of 15 points in 4th wasn't pissed away in both season's run ins. FA cup was great I'll give him that (even if Nacho was probably more instrumental in getting to the final than Brodge ever was) Some brilliant results; Southampton away, Man City away etc. But he is responsible for losing potentially 100m+ in player values via freezing out or skill/aptitude sapping shite training techniques, not to mention injuries which could also be related to shite training/over playing. Also practically no experimentation with youth at all in his 4 years. I can actually get excited for matches again, knowing the football will be unexpected, and not just dogshit served on a paper plate 5
Vestan Pance Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 1 minute ago, Diffco said: 5th place finishes would have been a remarkable achievement IF a cushion of 15 points in 4th wasn't pissed away in both season's run ins. It was a good achievement to finish 5th two years running but it is overlooked that we had the 7th highest wage bill in the league, added to the fact that two of the clubs who finished below us (Arsenal and Spuds) with higher wage bills were well below par in both of the years we came close. So just maybe we finished around where we should have? 1
Leicesterpool Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 His reign started off well two years he was going down as one of the greatest Foxes boss, but the decline as been visible as time gone on. Maybe the FA CUP win, kept him the job for them few extra months. Take the FA Cup success out of occasion, we became bottle it side. Left us in a worse state compared to where he picked us up, made Puel look good. Perhaps his defence would be he didn't have the budget last two years and having to lose key players like Maguire and Chilwell.
TeamRocket Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 I think the only thing he did for us is the fa cup that's all thank you and good bye
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 30 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Let see how long it is before we finish in the top 6 again before we dismiss how good a season 19/20, 21/20 were. We won't finish top 6 again for a long time. But that's because it will take a long time to undo the damage Rodgers has done. Sure, he achieved some really good things at this club, not least our first ever FA Cup. But ultimately he's left the club in a far, far worse state than when he found it. Maybe Top, Rudkin and Whelan deserve some blame for that too, but Rodgers should get most of it imho. 2
MPH Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 I just think footballing philosophies have a rotating time scale. You buy/inherit a player with a certain mindset and skill level and 2-3 years later that player will have changed and grown and you need to adapt with him. Or you sell them on. Very few managers have successfully done that. But that’s what you need to do to grow a team successfully- grown and change and adapt with them. Upon reflection, it was just time for him to go. That’s all really. 1
coolhandfox Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 48 minutes ago, browniefox said: Or just how good an opportunity it was to finish top 4 that was thrown away (twice). Let's not try to defend the indefensible. Still had to put us in that person in the first place. With virtual the same starting 11 Puel could only manage 12th when he was sack. Still think if we'd have strengthen in the January window of both seasons we would have made it. Instead we brought in Bennett in 19/20 and no one in 20/21. 1
coolhandfox Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 19 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: We won't finish top 6 again for a long time. But that's because it will take a long time to undo the damage Rodgers has done. Sure, he achieved some really good things at this club, not least our first ever FA Cup. But ultimately he's left the club in a far, far worse state than when he found it. Maybe Top, Rudkin and Whelan deserve some blame for that too, but Rodgers should get most of it imho. Most manager have a 2.5 year self life, we gave him 1 season to many.
Blue ROI Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 I should look upon Rodgers favorably with the 5th place finishes but the collapse at the end made it very bittersweet. Even the FA Cup win was slightly affected by it also (though still a positive of course) Spurs in May 2021 was where the rot set in. The last 12 months was the worst spell for the club since the mid 00s really. The success rate in the transfers was the most damning indictment of his reign. About 1 in 5 were a success and one we had in Fofana got injured. Rodgers had a ready made team but his scouting was horrendous. For me its where he falls way below O'Neill and Pearson. Crucially they always got around 75-80% success in signings and were able to evolve. Right decision all day long. 4
ScotFox1 Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 Thanks for the memories (FA Cup etc), but every dog has its day!! Onwards and upwards (quite literally I hope) for us!
The boy Linacre Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 He was a very good manager for a while. Sadly when it wasn’t easy as the first two years had been he showed no imagination or inventiveness as a manager. This season he had to show how good he was and he failed, badly. We went into the World Cup break with the chance to kick on afterwards, we didn’t, he couldn’t coach the players this season to be better, he couldn’t motivate a number of them to work harder, a given. He persisted with playing from the back, v slowly, he overthought simple situations. Both sides will be relieved it went this way, but he will probably sit top 5, the FA Cup, Charity Shield, 2 Europes, 2 top 5’s. He blotted the copybook by blaming the owners in Aug & the fans at Brighton in Sept. If he had got his head down post summer windows, views would be a lot more positive.
honeybradger Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 I think we're going to be looking back at those first two years under Rodgers fondly as we're most likely not getting top 6 or winning any trophies for the foreseeable future. Personally I feel that we could have done even better had we appointed a more pragmatic manager but that's not something I can prove. Anyway Rodgers will always have a place in our history for our first ever FA cup win and that's not something you can ever take away from him. Good luck. 1
Leicesterpool Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 won't be surprised if he heads abroad for his next job, seeing as he can so many language's. Italy I think, Roma maybe...
Tuna Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 Listen, he did a great job in the first few seasons and delivered the FA Cup, european campaigns and a charity shield, one of the best results in our history and some of the best football played. But the last 2 seasons have been an absolute disaster as the club has gone on the decline and although there are many factors that have added up to where we are now, Rodgers bears a big majority of the blame. I'll thank him for the good that he has done at the club, but ultimately it is a relief he has left the club. 3
LinekersLugs Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 Started well , middle was sloppy, end was embarrassing no hard feelings, thanks for the ride
Blue ROI Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 6 minutes ago, honeybradger said: I think we're going to be looking back at those first two years under Rodgers fondly as we're most likely not getting top 6 or winning any trophies for the foreseeable future. Personally I feel that we could have done even better had we appointed a more pragmatic manager but that's not something I can prove. Anyway Rodgers will always have a place in our history for our first ever FA cup win and that's not something you can ever take away from him. Good luck. Rodgers moaning to the media and his blame shifting has tarnished a lot of the good he may have done unfortunately I reckon. Even Claudio and Claude for all their faults didn't resort to that. 1
SafewayFox Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 6 hours ago, Vestan Pance said: Can we stop pretending that reaching the conference league semi final was any sort of achievement for a club with a top 20 wage bill in world football. We were knocked out of the Europa by teams on a 10th of our budget. This 💯 Making a semi final of a tournament that you made it into after dropping out of your group stages is hardly something that deserves mentioning in the same breath as winning the FA cup. As others have said, 1) this post is premature with him potentially being one of the main (biggest) reasons that our squad with the 7/8th (depending where you read) biggest wage bill in the PL gets relegated and 2) has some of the worst stats in recent PL history - xG in a game, goals conceded at the first stage of a PL season to name a few.
SafewayFox Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 1 hour ago, coolhandfox said: Still had to put us in that person in the first place. With virtual the same starting 11 Puel could only manage 12th when he was sack. Still think if we'd have strengthen in the January window of both seasons we would have made it. Instead we brought in Bennett in 19/20 and no one in 20/21. Puel did have a double pivot of Mendy/Ndidi rather than Youri though? Plus you could argue had Gray rather than Barnes who has some great numbers in comparison 🤷🏻♂️
trabuch Posted 2 April 2023 Posted 2 April 2023 We clearly had a squad that was good enough for the Champions League - twice. Rodgers nearly got us there twice with those players. Nearly is not good enough.
Lambert09 Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 5 hours ago, browniefox said: Or just how good an opportunity it was to finish top 4 that was thrown away (twice). Let's not try to defend the indefensible. both sides of the coin are accurate
SafewayFox Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 9 hours ago, MancFox24 said: And the 5th place finishes? I agree he's got an inflated ego (not sure there is a good manager out there who doesn't) but if people could see past their dislike for the man then maybe they could see that alot of what he was saying was true. He recognised this squad needed a refresh after the forest cup defeat and was only told he wasn't getting one at the start of pre season (something which has never been disputed by the club). He should have walked away at that point but he believed he could do enough to get us to 40 points. He probably would have failed on that by about 5-10 points if he was here until the end of the season. In my eyes that doesn't take away the great job he did before that Come on now. He said about the squad refresh to deflect from us being dumped out by our local rivals, who were playing in the Championship at the time. An embarrassment of a performance, watch it back if fancy it?
foxfanazer Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 8 hours ago, coolhandfox said: Still had to put us in that person in the first place. With virtual the same starting 11 Puel could only manage 12th when he was sack. Still think if we'd have strengthen in the January window of both seasons we would have made it. Instead we brought in Bennett in 19/20 and no one in 20/21. Yeah the transfer window is why we imploded against the likes of Bournemouth etc. He's gone, get over it
StanSP Posted 3 April 2023 Posted 3 April 2023 Did some great work to win the FA Cup and get us two 5th-place finishes (don't really care what anyone says, they're a success for us despite how they occurred). And had us playing in Europe. But then undid all that in the process of the last 18 months approx. Downward spiral since then and perhaps should have been put out of his misery (and ours) much earlier.
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