Russell Martin

[pmcla26]

I don’t think many people who are being negative about how he’s handled that team talk have actually been in a dressing room before from how they’re reacting to it. 
 

Confidence and team spirit, getting everyone to pull together in the right direction, is very fragile in football. I don’t think he’s done anything wrong there. I’ve played under managers who lost their shit all the time and all it does is create a fractious team and send things in one direction. 
 

I don’t get all the opposition to him, he’s a young British coach who likes to play attractive football, but I completely understand concerns over his reputation and the fact that he hasn’t actually achieved anything significant yet - it would be a big gamble. When you look at the same names that get thrown into the mix though (Hassenhuttl, Marsch, Lampard, Smith before he came here, Gerrard) I would be open-minded to giving someone like Martin or Kieran McKenna a chance.
 

For me, it’s just whether or not the players would have the respect for them and respond well to them. I imagine whoever comes in will have a big say in shaping a new look squad anyway, so you’d be hoping that wouldn’t be an issue. 

Edited 7 May 2023 by Pete52

[Matt]

Leicester City linked with manager Adi Hutter has opened up on his ‘goal’ of managing in England and explained how his style of play would benefit Jamie Vardy.

 

But nah, let’s replace Brendan Rodgers with the ‘new’ Brendan Rodgers. It's like people who have been touting Keiran McKenna - You do realise who his inspiration is right?....Brendan Rodgers. If that's not a red flag straight away then I don't know what is.
 

I’ve said for a while the insistence and obsession of playing the tepid style comes from within the club, an instruction and brief. It's boring, nonsense, that leads to your own downfalls and is anything but 'attractive'. All because people have been brainwashed by how Man City play.

 

Whilst we might have only picked up 5 points under Dean Smith it's still more than I feel we'd have got under Rodgers and I defy anyone to tell me you've not found it far more exciting and palatable to get behind.

 

Edited 7 May 2023 by Matt

[MPH]

4 hours ago, Sambiasso said:

Dean & Co is doing a fine job but needs some wins to stay beyond the summer.

 

i wouldn’t quite call it a fine job- dropped some much needed points against some relegation rivals but they inherited a absolute mess that they can’t be expected to fix overnight.

 

if we go down, I’d be happy for them to stay but if we stay up I’ll want a manager who will be able to attract some hot young European talent .

[Sambiasso]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

i wouldn’t quite call it a fine job- dropped some much needed points against some relegation rivals but they inherited a absolute mess that they can’t be expected to fix overnight.

 

if we go down, I’d be happy for them to stay but if we stay up I’ll want a manager who will be able to attract some hot young European talent .

[HankMarvin]

4 minutes ago, Matt said:

Leicester City linked with manager Adi Hutter has opened up on his ‘goal’ of managing in England and explained how his style of play would benefit Jamie Vardy.

 

But nah, let’s replace Brendan Rodgers with the ‘new’ Brendan Rodgers. 
 

I’ve said for a while the insistence and obsession of playing the tepid style comes from within the club, an instruction and brief. All because people have been brainwashed by how Man City play.

He is meant to be going Palace with Hodgson in a Senior role to ease the transition 

[Tuna]

Serious Lee Johnson vibes about Russell Martin tbh.

[OntarioFox]

That dressing room video seemed perfectly reasonable. Not the incredible glimpse Swansea fans are making it out to be, but knowing nothing about the bloke he seems decent, and seems a better man manager than Nero was (not that it's hard to achieve that).

 

I lost interest the moment the Brendan Rodgers comparison was made though. Even if it's just a tactical comparison, I don't want us persisting with a square pegs, round holes attempt to turn us into a possession based side. Ranieri failed, Puel failed, Rodgers has now failed more spectacularly than both others combined.

 

Enough. In the interim (this season and possibly next) I think we should persist with Deano and co. We still have chronic issues with individual mistakes and slow starts, but our overall play is already far better to watch and we're creating good chances in a variety of ways.

[LCFCJohn]

12 minutes ago, Pete52 said:

I don’t think many people who are being negative about how he’s handled that team talk have actually been in a dressing room before from how they’re reacting to it. 
 

Confidence and team spirit, getting everyone to pull together in the right direction, is very fragile in football. I don’t think he’s done anything wrong there. I’ve played under managers who lost their shit all the time and all it does is create a fractious team and send things in one direction. 
 

I don’t get all the opposition to him, he’s a young British coach who likes to play attractive football, but I completely understand concerns over his reputation and the fact that he hasn’t actually achieved anything significant yet - it would be a big gamble. When you look at the same names that get thrown into the mix though (Hassenhuttl, Marsch, Lampard, Smith before he came here, Gerrard) I would be open-minded to giving someone like Martin or Kieran McKenna a chance.
 

For me, it’s just whether or not the players would have the respect for them and respond well to them. I imagine whoever comes in will have a big say in shaping a new look squad anyway, so you’d be hoping that wouldn’t be an issue. 

People (including me) are put off and don’t want him near the club due to him being compared strongly to BR! 
 

I’m all for a young British coach, just not a Rodgers wannabe!

[Lionator]

9 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

He is meant to be going Palace with Hodgson in a Senior role to ease the transition 

He clearly wants the Leicester job though. I’m here for a manager who is showing enthusiasm for it.

[winteriscoming]

14 minutes ago, Lionator said:

He clearly wants the Leicester job though. I’m here for a manager who is showing enthusiasm for it.

He will only come to us if we stop up. 

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, swansea.independent said:

How do folks, hope you don’t mind us adding a bit to the debate. We have run a report this morning, a bit tongue in cheek on this with your forum comments. We usually get around 5-8k views for our news stories. 

Online the older generation seem to be split on Russell Martin, but overall all he has quite a lot of support. It’s more about people believing what he can do as opposed to seeing the proof.  His dissenters repeat the same things over and over again and his supporters the same. His football is unique to the championship. The players seem to love him and he creates a siege mentality. 
 

His stats were not good at all leading in to the final ten games of this season. He has won six of the last eight, the other two being draws. Before that I think he won around three in twenty. We will probably  miss out on the play offs by around four points. When all told. 
 

Sometimes the teams performances have been unbelievably good, scoring goals and dominating, however a few times this season it’s gone to pieces. Martin is learning and his non supporting public don’t seem to allow him to do that, entitled or just bored by his ‘process’ Without doubt he is going to be a big name one day. The Swans have a good history of appointing managers, Roberto Martinez, Brendan Rodgers, Steve Cooper and Graeme Potter, can’t see this guy being any different. 
 

Heres  a link, best in your fight to avoid joining us. 
 

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/60195/russell-martin-to-move-to-leicester-city--not-greeted-with-the-best-of-responses-…

I think a lot of us are just sick of possession football. Especially managers that congratulate a team for losing as they played 'the right way', and use words like 'dominant' after a loss. I'm not aware how that particular match from the video went down but Rodgers would usually speak this way after the other side has clearly had the better chances.

 

If he does become a succesful top flight manager then fair play to him but based on his playstyle a large section of leicester fans wont want him near the team no matter how good he turns out to be.

[Phil Bowman]

3 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

I think a lot of us are just sick of possession football.

I certainly always prefer the other team to have the ball.

[kingfox]

Fully agree with @honeybradger 

 

It’s time we moved away from possession based football, we’ve gone through two spells of it, on both occasions it got incredibly stale and things turned sour.

 

The summer needs to be a proper reset of identity, of what we’ve experienced in recent years, we need a manager who will come in and make us less soft. 

[HesNotGudjonsonn2]

I see his name and think of Russell Watson. That won’t help.

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Leicester City linked with manager Adi Hutter has opened up on his ‘goal’ of managing in England and explained how his style of play would benefit Jamie Vardy.

 

But nah, let’s replace Brendan Rodgers with the ‘new’ Brendan Rodgers. It's like people who have been touting Keiran McKenna - You do realise his inspiration is....Brendan Rodgers right? If that's not a red flag straight away then I don't know what is.
 

I’ve said for a while the insistence and obsession of playing the tepid style comes from within the club, an instruction and brief. It's boring, nonsense, that leads to your own downfalls and is anything but 'attractive'. All because people have been brainwashed by how Man City play.

 

Whilst we might have only picked up 5 points under Dean Smith it's still more than I feel we'd have got under Rodgers and I defy you to tell me you've not found it far more exciting and palatable to get behind.

 

i’m not sure getting the most out of a 36 year old striker is quite the flex he thinks it is. 

[Mendi]

No thanks to him.

[lfu]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

Leicester City linked with manager Adi Hutter has opened up on his ‘goal’ of managing in England and explained how his style of play would benefit Jamie Vardy.

 

I think the Mockery is making up quotes again. Vardy's name isn't mentioned in the article, just that:
 

Quote

Hutter has already been linked with Crystal Palace and Leicester, and believes the style of play he so successfully implemented at Red Bull Salzburg, Young Boys and Frankfurt, where he was responsible for unleashing ‘the buffalo herd’, would suit the Premier League.
“I like to play inspiring, attacking football,” said Hutter, who speaks near-perfect English. “I like to work with hungry players who want success. At Frankfurt, I looked at Luka Jovic, Sebastien Haller and Ante Rebic, and I said ‘I want to play with all three’. In Germany, they called them ‘the buffalo herd’.
“I like to think strikers score goals with me because of the style of football,” said Hutter.

 

[HybridFox]

I'd probably prefer Jesse Marsch in all honesty if we're seriously considering this 

[swanningaround]

22 hours ago, Tuna said:

Russell Martin one of those names who keeps getting promoted through the leagues and linked with jobs despite never seemingly winning promotion, getting in the playoffs etc.

 

What has he achieved?

 

Just plays football "the right way"?

Swansea fan here,  some of our fans (maybe most, who knows) think he's doing great. A few of us are deeply critical and think football under him is slow and boring. truthfully when we are good we are very good but mostly we are distinctly average at best

 We've had an 8 game unbeaten run and some are creaming themselves, they reckon it guarantees a good season next time around, they forget the 6 wins in 7 before the run of 3 wins in 21.

 

In all honesty I'd ;ove it if you came and took him, give us 3 million in compo too. come on, pretty please?

Edited 7 May 2023 by swanningaround
so it made sense

[Tuna]

9 minutes ago, swanningaround said:

Swansea fan here,  some of our fans (maybe most, who knows) think he's doing great. A few of us are deeply critical and think football under him is slow and boring. truthfully when we are good we are very good but mostly we are distinctly average at best

 We've had an 8 game unbeaten run and some are creaming themselves, they reckon it guarantees a good season next time around, they forget the 6 wins in 7 before the run of  wins in 21.

 

In all honesty I'd ;ove it if you came and took him, give us 3 million in compo too. come on, pretty please?

The only post in this thread that is a must read guys!

[Beachyboy]

14 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

took a look on the swansea forum and found this:

 

 

 

Now what’s weird is that all the comments in the thread were just so shocked that he was speaking so highly of their achievements when they’ve simply underperformed again. 

They all seemed to think that the squad is hugely talented. They all seem to think that he cares more about winning possession than football matches. He’d rather have a pretty game of football than fight to hold out for a win. and finally they got no wins against the teams in the top 6.

 

It all sounds like brendan and i’m not here for it at all 

Sounds exactly like one of the many loser Brendan team talks I used to listen to, until about 12 months ago. Top level sport is about winning and achieving results, you can't play pretty every week. The best teams find a way to win when they are not at their best.

Edited 7 May 2023 by Beachyboy

[KingsX]

 

   Yeah, this ought to attract the best and brightest for our rebuild.

[MPH]

4 hours ago, Sambiasso said:

[Unabomber]

So the fans hated Brendan who has got us in this mess. The board finally relented and got Pearson lite in and now they want a worse version of Brendan? Seems not legit. 

[AyewJoking]

No thanks.