mozartfox Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 2 hours ago, coolhandfox said: I assume we will push for a little more, but I can see us taking 4m Let's say he's on 60k which is a modest guess that's 3.1m a year roughly We all have 1/5th of his Amortised transfer fee of 18m on the books which 3.9m So it creates a positive swinging in the books of around 12m in our accounts (transfer fee + Wage savings + reduced Amortisation). No brainer Great shame you are not running the finances at the Club. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Claw II Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 Not convinced he is worse than KDH or Soumane personally. Happy for him to be sold for a decent fee but he’d be a decent player in the championship 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonb Posted 21 June 2023 Share Posted 21 June 2023 I like Praet but he hasn't looked settled at the club since day one. If we can get in and around the 4 to 5million bracket we should bite their hands off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 22 June 2023 Share Posted 22 June 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, coolhandfox said: I assume we will push for a little more, but I can see us taking 4m Let's say he's on 60k which is a modest guess that's 3.1m a year roughly We all have 1/5th of his Amortised transfer fee of 18m on the books which 3.9m So it creates a positive swinging in the books of around 12m in our accounts (transfer fee + Wage savings + reduced Amortisation). No brainer Hah not quite. If you sell the player you have to write off the remaining book value which would be the same as the amortisation, so in cash terms you save the wages and recongnise the sale value, but in profit terms you only save the amortisation and the wages. In no way do you get to add up all three. Cash and Profit both improve by 7.1M. Edited 22 June 2023 by Jon the Hat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 22 June 2023 Share Posted 22 June 2023 26 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Hah not quite. If you sell the player you have to write off the remaining book value which would be the same as the amortisation, so in cash terms you save the wages and recongnise the sale value, but in profit terms you only save the amortisation and the wages. In no way do you get to add up all three. Cash and Profit both improve by 7.1M. Thanks I'm not expert but have a causal interest in football finances. But surely all 3 elements effect a combine swing on clubs over about overall finance position and for FFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richmondfox Posted 22 June 2023 Share Posted 22 June 2023 17 hours ago, Finn Claw II said: Not convinced he is worse than KDH or Soumane personally. Happy for him to be sold for a decent fee but he’d be a decent player in the championship Not saying he is the answer but he is a lot stronger than both of them in the areas which caused more problems for our team and ultimately lost us points. If he wants to stay he will be a starter in the Championship. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 If we are only getting offered 2m for him, surely we are better off just keeping him. He'd be a class above in this league. I could picture him having the same improvement as Sande Berg in this league. He's very good technically, it would be good for Maresca to get a look at him before we ship him out. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 17 minutes ago, Lambert09 said: If we are only getting offered 2m for him, surely we are better off just keeping him. He'd be a class above in this league. I could picture him having the same improvement as Sande Berg in this league. He's very good technically, it would be good for Maresca to get a look at him before we ship him out. One of the reasons we are in this mess is keeping players who don't want to be here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basildon Fox Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 20 minutes ago, Lambert09 said: If we are only getting offered 2m for him, surely we are better off just keeping him. He'd be a class above in this league. I could picture him having the same improvement as Sande Berg in this league. He's very good technically, it would be good for Maresca to get a look at him before we ship him out. He was an absolute disgrace at Fulham. Blowing out of his arse after 10 mins and should have been hooked earlier than he was. No excuse for a top level footballer to be that unfit. Get rid and save on the wages. £5m is a crap offer if somebody offers that amount, SELL SELL SELL! Clubs are hardly beating down the door to sign him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrummieFOX Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 Absolutely have to get rid. The more the merrier for me from this bunch, especially those on huge wages like he supposedly is. We obviously haven't seen the best of him but we have to be more ruthless going forward. Unless you're fully committed to us, you can go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuntman_Mike Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 13 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: One of the reasons we are in this mess is keeping players who don't want to be here. True, but new management and other fresh players could make it same club but whole different feel. I'm not desperate for him to stay, but if we're replacing him because he was poor in the Prem when we're a Championship club now and he can still do a better job than someone we'd pay double to replace him with we might as well keep him. It's obviously just all ifs and buts at the moment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 5 minutes ago, Stuntman_Mike said: True, but new management and other fresh players could make it same club but whole different feel. I'm not desperate for him to stay, but if we're replacing him because he was poor in the Prem when we're a Championship club now and he can still do a better job than someone we'd pay double to replace him with we might as well keep him. It's obviously just all ifs and buts at the moment. Time to move on, freshen up the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viva Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 49 minutes ago, Lambert09 said: If we are only getting offered 2m for him, surely we are better off just keeping him. He'd be a class above in this league. I could picture him having the same improvement as Sande Berg in this league. He's very good technically, it would be good for Maresca to get a look at him before we ship him out. He certainly wouldn't be a class above. I would happily take £2m to get rid of a player that has contributed nothing to us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 I gave Praet the benefit of the doubt for far too long. What does he actually do? I couldn’t actually tell you. Gerrimout. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 1 hour ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: He was an absolute disgrace at Fulham. Blowing out of his arse after 10 mins and should have been hooked earlier than he was. No excuse for a top level footballer to be that unfit. Get rid and save on the wages. £5m is a crap offer if somebody offers that amount, SELL SELL SELL! Clubs are hardly beating down the door to sign him. Fulham was a bad day, but in his other appearances this season I wouldnt say he let us down. His fitness was always going to be hard to manage with such limited gametime. If he really wants to go, then of course we should get rid. But if theres interest from him to stay, I just think he still would have a lot to offer us. Im not going to be sad if he leaves or stays, but im not writing him off like most people 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honeybradger Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 Think he'd be anonymous in the championship like he was in the PL. Just because it's a lower level of football does not mean that Praet suddenly learns how to show for the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 25 June 2023 Share Posted 25 June 2023 On 20/06/2023 at 12:32, mozartfox said: Yep and we will end up paying his full salary - it’s called Rudkinomics. You buy something you do not really need at an inflated price. It stays on your balance sheet for 4 or more years and eventually it turns out to be a total waste of money and relegates the Club. ...it is actually depreciating every year!!! Instead of showing it on the Balance Sheet, we had it lodged firmly as a Current Asset, and neglected to show the yearly depreciation to offset its value. In the end, when we have to take the big hit on the value of his sale, all the loss is in one year as opposed to having been spread throughout the four-year period. If Carlsberg did Accounting? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinterdream Posted 25 June 2023 Share Posted 25 June 2023 On 21/06/2023 at 19:40, Simonb said: I like Praet but he hasn't looked settled at the club since day one. If we can get in and around the 4 to 5million bracket we should bite their hands off Has he ever been a regular pick? I honestly don’t know where his best position is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJams Posted 25 June 2023 Share Posted 25 June 2023 The bench. ...of another club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 25 June 2023 Share Posted 25 June 2023 I've just never been a fan of spending good money on players who won't be first choice and are in their mid 20's. €90m on the below who all came to be squad players with the possible exception of Perez but who was someone who we knew everything about as he'd been in the league for years so little chance of improving, if we get €10m back on that lot we would have done well. Jannik Vestergaard Southampton €17.60m Ayoze Pérez Newcastle €33.40m Dennis Praet Sampdoria €19.20m Danny Ward Liverpool €14.00m Rachid Ghezzal Monaco €14.00m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 25 June 2023 Share Posted 25 June 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, splinterdream said: Has he ever been a regular pick? I honestly don’t know where his best position is ..#8, going ahead of the forwards!!! He never got the run in the team and with Youri infront of him, he would never have had the opportunity. He is too passive in his demeanour and on the pitch, he needs to use his voice more as he is never going to have the opportunity that he needs to show what he can do. I cannot see him changing his persona so late in the day and will always take what is offered to him, as opposed to fight for what he wants. Edited 25 June 2023 by sacreblueits442 Spelling error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 27 June 2023 Share Posted 27 June 2023 On 25/06/2023 at 17:05, sacreblueits442 said: ..#8, going ahead of the forwards!!! He never got the run in the team and with Youri infront of him, he would never have had the opportunity. He is too passive in his demeanour and on the pitch, he needs to use his voice more as he is never going to have the opportunity that he needs to show what he can do. I cannot see him changing his persona so late in the day and will always take what is offered to him, as opposed to fight for what he wants. On 25/06/2023 at 17:05, sacreblueits442 said: ..#8, going ahead of the forwards!!! He never got the run in the team and with Youri infront of him, he would never have had the opportunity. He is too passive in his demeanour and on the pitch, he needs to use his voice more as he is never going to have the opportunity that he needs to show what he can do. I cannot see him changing his persona so late in the day and will always take what is offered to him, as opposed to fight for what he wants. Should keep him rather than sell him for around £3 million as a replacement of similar ability will cost twice that A good squad player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasyls Pec Deck Posted 27 June 2023 Share Posted 27 June 2023 (edited) On 25/06/2023 at 15:52, Gerard said: I've just never been a fan of spending good money on players who won't be first choice and are in their mid 20's. €90m on the below who all came to be squad players with the possible exception of Perez but who was someone who we knew everything about as he'd been in the league for years so little chance of improving, if we get €10m back on that lot we would have done well. Jannik Vestergaard Southampton €17.60m Ayoze Pérez Newcastle €33.40m Dennis Praet Sampdoria €19.20m Danny Ward Liverpool €14.00m Rachid Ghezzal Monaco €14.00m We might as well have just stuck €100m in used notes on the bonfire. Truly abysmal business. Edited 27 June 2023 by Wasyls Pec Deck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebfromgrebland Posted 27 June 2023 Share Posted 27 June 2023 We need to get his wages off the books hence the low offers. Think we should be grateful that we're getting any money. Premier league wages are too high compared to othere leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trugerkem Posted 27 June 2023 Share Posted 27 June 2023 Get rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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