Cooper - OUT

[cityfanlee23]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

Ricardo made the first error, HE put us into that situation. Then Facundo decided to try and dribble out of defence when he could have cleared, which compounded Ricardo's error... then finally Justin failed to clear, which compounded further the first two errors. They are all culpable on that one. 

Feels like every time we concede a goal it’s rarely been because of a classy opposition move, it’s 4-5 of our players falling asleep. How many times this season can an opponent be just outside or inside our box surrounded by 5 blue shirts in the box and still get a shot/cross away. 
 

what do these players need to happen to stay switched on?

[Nalis]

1 hour ago, VLC86 said:

I’d be really curious to know exactly what Cooper said to them at half time because from the kick off we completely crumbled. 

Nothing by the sounds of it, from the start of the second half Forest countered his weak tactics

[Fox92]

Just now, Nalis said:

Nothing by the sounds of it, from the start of the second half Forest countered his weak tactics

Our players didn't look bothered though. Completely flat as soon as the second half began.

[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Feels like every time we concede a goal it’s rarely been because of a classy opposition move, it’s 4-5 of our players falling asleep. How many times this season can an opponent be just outside or inside our box surrounded by 5 blue shirts in the box and still get a shot/cross away. 
 

what do these players need to happen to stay switched on?

Yeah there are certainly elements of that, and at the end of the day you have to look at coaching there. I think that stuff has to stem from players not really knowing what they should be doing. Then you have the total brain fart stuff of someone just not kicking a ball straight, which frankly is just inexcusable, they are very well paid and there is no way that first goal should be happening. Like or dislike the manager, at some point players need to take responsibiity for things like that. 

[GingerrrFox]

To put into perspective the drop off in meticulous coaching between the regime under Maresca and the regime under Cooper. I was told last season that Maresca spent 2 days in pre-season that solely focused on players making sure their body position was correct to receive a pass in different areas of the pitch, that they were making sure their touch on the ball was directed in a certain way to make the patterns of play smoother and that players made sure they were passing to the correct foot of their team mates so it would make the touch and pass easier for their team mate for the next progression.  
 

Once you’ve had that level of detailed coaching to help make you a better player, it’s difficult to go back to a manager who doesn’t go into such fine detail. It’s the clubs fault really, when you’ve had a manager who’s life is living at the training ground and studying the game religiously, you need to make sure the next appointment follows similar philosophies and methods.

 

Edited 28 October 2024 by GingerrrFox

[Tommy G]

12 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

To put into perspective the drop off in meticulous coaching between the regime under Maresca and the regime under Cooper. I was told last season that Maresca spent 2 days in pre-season that solely focused on players making sure their body position was correct to receive a pass in different areas of the pitch, that they were making sure their touch on the ball was directed in a certain way to make the patterns of play smoother and that players made sure make they were passing to the correct foot of their team mates so it would make the touch and pass easier for their team mate for the next progression.  
 

Once you’ve had that level of detailed coaching to help make you a better player, it’s difficult to go back to a manager who doesn’t go into such fine detail. It’s the clubs fault really, when you’ve had a manager who’s life is living at the training ground and studying the game religiously, you need to make sure the next appointment follows similar philosophies and methods.

 

And? Cooper has spent the whole of pre season making sure our players are facing completely the wrong way to receive a pass. Tactical masterclass 

[Muzzy_no7]

48 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

To put into perspective the drop off in meticulous coaching between the regime under Maresca and the regime under Cooper. I was told last season that Maresca spent 2 days in pre-season that solely focused on players making sure their body position was correct to receive a pass in different areas of the pitch, that they were making sure their touch on the ball was directed in a certain way to make the patterns of play smoother and that players made sure make they were passing to the correct foot of their team mates so it would make the touch and pass easier for their team mate for the next progression.  
 

Once you’ve had that level of detailed coaching to help make you a better player, it’s difficult to go back to a manager who doesn’t go into such fine detail. It’s the clubs fault really, when you’ve had a manager who’s life is living at the training ground and studying the game religiously, you need to make sure the next appointment follows similar philosophies and methods.

 

This is why I was such a huge advocate for Corberan in the summer. Not only was his record very good but also extremely evident that he improves players and that the team look to him. 
 

It would’ve been a smoother transition. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

@Mark

 

Can we delete this thread and start a new one about how brilliant Cooper is, in case the Glazers look in here?

[SafewayFox]

1 hour ago, GingerrrFox said:

To put into perspective the drop off in meticulous coaching between the regime under Maresca and the regime under Cooper. I was told last season that Maresca spent 2 days in pre-season that solely focused on players making sure their body position was correct to receive a pass in different areas of the pitch, that they were making sure their touch on the ball was directed in a certain way to make the patterns of play smoother and that players made sure make they were passing to the correct foot of their team mates so it would make the touch and pass easier for their team mate for the next progression.  
 

Once you’ve had that level of detailed coaching to help make you a better player, it’s difficult to go back to a manager who doesn’t go into such fine detail. It’s the clubs fault really, when you’ve had a manager who’s life is living at the training ground and studying the game religiously, you need to make sure the next appointment follows similar philosophies and methods.

 

This post is 100% spot on.

 

It also goes one step further than the going from an iPhone 16 to Nokia in terms of coaching ability.

 

I actually don’t dislike Cooper, he’s clearly out of his depth but as Rudkin seems to be Teflon….an obvious change is needed for our short and longer term future.

 

We will only regress further with such a basic, limited coach….that’s why I’m so convinced that Cooper needs to go.

[Tommy G]

32 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

This is why I was such a huge advocate for Corberan in the summer. Not only was his record very good but also extremely evident that he improves players and that the team look to him. 
 

It would’ve been a smoother transition. 

He's also from Barcelona. Quicker to train an APE!!

[The_77]

18 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Is it more down to individual errors, and not Cooper's own mistakes, that are happening?

Individual happens occur more often when players are not well coached and don’t have a clear idea of the tactical plan for the game. I get the sense that Cooper is not very engaged with our squad during the week. 

[wurmer]

On 25/10/2024 at 22:00, jbflcfc said:

Bunch of bed wetters pissing the bed again because we lost.

 

3 stupid mistakes cost them goals, you got the team you wanted right?

 

 

Let's see how this ages...

[Pliskin]

2 hours ago, Tommy G said:

And? Cooper has spent the whole of pre season making sure our players are facing completely the wrong way to receive a pass. Tactical masterclass 

Edit, Cooper has asked the players what way they think they should face to receive a pass….

[Number 6]

On 27/10/2024 at 16:01, Mickyblueeyes said:

The problem I have with Cooper is he is punching well above his weight. Hopefully we can get a result v Ipswich but I’m worried because I think McKenna is a far better in game manager then him.

To be fair Ipswich have taken the lead in 4 of their 9 games this season but are yet to manage a win.

[coolhandfox]

4 hours ago, Babylon said:

Yeah there are certainly elements of that, and at the end of the day you have to look at coaching there. I think that stuff has to stem from players not really knowing what they should be doing. Then you have the total brain fart stuff of someone just not kicking a ball straight, which frankly is just inexcusable, they are very well paid and there is no way that first goal should be happening. Like or dislike the manager, at some point players need to take responsibiity for things like that. 

They were the same under Enzo, we made plenty of mistake, you just get away with it more in the Championship. 

 

People need to go back and look at the number of mistakes we made playing out last season! 

 

 

Edited 28 October 2024 by coolhandfox

[Foxmeister]

We're 220 pages in now and I would imagine the truth is, as much as many of us will hate it, he's exceeding the board's expectations and his sacking is more unlikely now than when this thread started. 

[Muzzy_no7]

53 minutes ago, Foxmeister said:

We're 220 pages in now and I would imagine the truth is, as much as many of us will hate it, he's exceeding the board's expectations and his sacking is more unlikely now than when this thread started. 

Lose at Ipswich I think this board pulls the plug. 
 

Draw and he limps on for a few more weeks.

[VLC86]

7 hours ago, Pliskin said:

I’d also like to know what instructions the players get when we seem to be struggling or lose control of the game. Because it just seems to be that Buonanotte just tries to take the world on by himself……. As soon as the game plan goes out the window (even if there is one) we just resort to chaos, chaotic defending and chaotic attack, there’s no finesse or apparently plan. And there’s no real excuse when some of these players have European experience. Which some people are conveniently forgetting. 

Oh 100%. Him and Fatawu just tried to do it all which made me think it’s down to a lack of instruction.

[Pliskin]

8 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Lose at Ipswich I think this board pulls the plug. 
 

Draw and he limps on for a few more weeks.

I think you’re right. Ipswich will know that we can be got at, but they too are defensively frail….. it’s going to be a masterclass in how not to defend, and who can outscore who…. I’ve just got a horrible feeling that Szmodics is going to have our pants down and leave those who said he wouldn’t be good enough with egg on our faces. 

[Nolucklcfc]

57 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Lose at Ipswich I think this board pulls the plug. 
 

Draw and he limps on for a few more weeks.

No chance. He will stay even if we lose both this week. 

[Muzzy_no7]

3 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

No chance. He will stay even if we lose both this week. 

I really really don’t wanna believe that right now 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

51 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I think you’re right. Ipswich will know that we can be got at, but they too are defensively frail….. it’s going to be a masterclass in how not to defend, and who can outscore who…. I’ve just got a horrible feeling that Szmodics is going to have our pants down and leave those who said he wouldn’t be good enough with egg on our faces. 

 

I don't think bagging against our defence full of thick idiots is proof that Szmodics is "good enough"

[Nalis]

4 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

@Mark

 

Can we delete this thread and start a new one about how brilliant Cooper is, in case the Glazers look in here?

 

Nice idea but it didn't work when we were all bigging up Soumare in a pisstaking fashion during the summer so I doubt it will get rid of this chancer

[Ric Flair]

8 hours ago, FOXSE said:

The thing that stood out for me was the criticism of our wingers, and the criticism of our defenders handling wingers.

 

It looked to me though, that every time say fatawu got the ball and moved towards a defender there were usually two in attendance, with sometime a third on hand in case he somehow got through.

 

Time and again, their wingers seemed to just have one defender to face, and if they got past them, they seemed to be driving straight at our box, with no one near them. No back up whatsoever. That must be a tactics issue, right?

Many times this season we seem out of position in both defence and attack without committing an abnormal amount of players that should cause us to be ill equipped. I still haven't fathomed out how, at times it's like we have 2-3 less players than the opposition.

[foxfanazer]

2 hours ago, Foxmeister said:

We're 220 pages in now and I would imagine the truth is, as much as many of us will hate it, he's exceeding the board's expectations and his sacking is more unlikely now than when this thread started. 

Unfortunately I completely agree. I don't think he's anywhere near the sack