Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Hirsty The Blue 94]

Worst manager since I've supported the club in my 25 years. PE teacher who has won a comp to become a Prem Manager for the season.

 

For all those saying why bother sack him we're down anyway? 2 examples of last season Sheff U pulled the trigger knowing they were down to get Wilder to build for their season in the Champ, and are competing at the top of the league. Luton gave their fella 20 games in the Championship to turn it around and could face back to back relegations. I've seen nothing from him to suggest he had the ability nor personality to turn round a Championship team.

 

Needs someone like Pearson to weed out all the cvnts who are happy to pocket millions and don't care a bit for the club, and replace them with high ceiling sellable assets should we need it.

[That_Dude]

7 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

His time has gone, but who the hell comes in now? To think we could've had potter

Potter was never coming here.

[That_Dude]

8 hours ago, Genesis1 said:

It's hard to fully blame the manager when our entire defense is awful. Ayew and Reid are terrible. Vardy can't seem to finish, Soumare is even worse.

 

Great managers like Pep couldn't even get us a win. However, I'm going to eat my words from months a go and say I wish we kept Cooper.

He keeps on playing them.

[hejammy]

Well statistically he must be our worst manager ever so far. He may well be the worse manager ever in the Premier League statistically? 6 games in a row with no goal? Can't be far off 

[Sly]

12 minutes ago, That_Dude said:

He keeps on playing them.

This is the thing. We’ve gone from bad to worse this season. 

 

A more experienced head would be looking to grind out draws and keeping the points ticking along. 
 

We’ve not changed shape or tactics and we’ve basically reverted to a worse version of what Cooper was doing. 
 

We need an outlet that tries to get us up the pitch. Is Daka the answer, ideally not but play him as a two with Vardy as at least it offers a threat. 

[Sly]

4 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Well statistically he must be our worst manager ever so far. He may well be the worse manager ever in the Premier League statistically? 6 games in a row with no goal? Can't be far off 

Frank De Boer, Paul Jewell, Terry Connor and Jan Stewart say “Hi”.
 

Albeit I think Ruud is also getting on this bus. 

[volpeazzurro]

2 hours ago, Hirsty The Blue 94 said:

Worst manager since I've supported the club in my 25 years. PE teacher who has won a comp to become a Prem Manager for the season.

 

For all those saying why bother sack him we're down anyway? 2 examples of last season Sheff U pulled the trigger knowing they were down to get Wilder to build for their season in the Champ, and are competing at the top of the league. Luton gave their fella 20 games in the Championship to turn it around and could face back to back relegations. I've seen nothing from him to suggest he had the ability nor personality to turn round a Championship team.

 

Needs someone like Pearson to weed out all the cvnts who are happy to pocket millions and don't care a bit for the club, and replace them with high ceiling sellable assets should we need it.

All plausible until the last bit. Things have changed a bit since Pearson. Yes, we might, if we're lucky, get a manager in a similar mold but his ability to 'weed' is very limited now.

 

We may even be able to have a good guess ourselves we'd but want rid of but with all the best intentions, if you have for example a player like Ward who you'd want to 'weed' your totally knackered if they have a contract, long or short and they don't want to go (and why should they if their future career prospects are poor and we were dumb enough to give them a long contract).

 

Also, to those who suggest paying them off think again, as PSR constrictions will apply. Apart from Mads and El Khannouss, I don't see any readily saleable assets do you and arguably, whatever happens to us, we're going to need the latter but wouldn't be surprised if he'd got certain release clauses in his contract. 

Edited 22 February by volpeazzurro

[hejammy]

Just now, Sly said:

Frank De Boer, Paul Jewell, Terry Connor and Jan Stewart say “Hi”.
 

Albeit I think Ruud is also getting on this bus. 

De Boer only had 4 games right? Not sure about the others but I think you've really got to look at managers who have had at least 10 games? 

[smudger63]

2 minutes ago, That_Dude said:

Potter was never coming here.

If we had sacked Rodgers at the point we should have, instead of letting him have 28 games, we could have had Unai Emery, or Ariola. At that point we still had a squad that had been competing for top 4, only 2 and 3 seasons earlier, who had been left rudderless by mismanagement from Rodgers and from those running the club.  We were still an attractive proposition on paper, and both would have come here in my opinion, and would have at least kept us up, and in a stronger position pitch wise going forward.  Once again it was incompetence of the highest order, that those running the club left it so late, we ended up with Dean Smith!

Fast forward to the poor appointment in the summer of Steve Cooper, and shocking recruitment, and we were screwed before a ball was kicked.   RVN was always going to be a gamble, especially given the lack of quality in the squad, and his inexperience in management, especially one where the squad was so poor. Once here though, his team selections, his substitutions, and lack of willingness to try something different, has shown him to be a gamble that didn't work.

Where do we go from here I don't know. 

The romantic in me says we throw 2  or 3 of our best young prospects in, much as Jock Wallace done with Lineker, Buchannon and Andy Peake, but the reality is, that's not going to happen.

The obvious thing is we bin RVN and bring in Dyche, in preparation for next season, but I don't think it would be a popular appointment either.

 

[Sly]

Just now, hejammy said:

De Boer only had 4 games right? Not sure about the others but I think you've really got to look at managers who have had at least 10 games? 

I agree. The correct answer is Paul Jewell,L or Terry Connor.

 

De Boer had 5 games, and didn’t score in four of them. 

 

Siewert won 1 in 15.

 

Connor won 0 in 13. 

 

 

 

 

 

5. Paul Jewell (Derby County, 2007-08) – 5% win rate (1 win in 24 games)

• Managed Derby during their infamous 11-point season, the worst in Premier League history.

 

Worst by Points Per Game (Minimum 10 Games)

 

1. Terry Connor (Wolves, 2012) – 0.31 PPG

 

2. Paul Jewell (Derby, 2007-08) – 0.42 PPG

 

3. Jan Siewert (Huddersfield, 2019) – 0.47 PPG

 

4. Frank de Boer (Crystal Palace, 2017) – 0.60 PPG

 

5. Ralph Hasenhüttl (Southampton, 2022-23, last stint) – 0.64 PPG

 

RVN currently has 0.58 points per game. So he belongs in this conversation. 
 

Cooper was 0.83 points per game for Contrast. 

 

 

[LCFCJohn]

He can’t be in charge next season and I’ve maintained that for many weeks now. 
 

It’s just about timing. There’s no point sacking him now to bring another panic, rushed, yes man decision based on being in the Premier League.

 

The new manager needs to be with the Championship in mind. They also need to be someone who can work under difficult conditions, are a builder type manager and they need to be not judged on this season.

 

So it’s just when as it’s more important to get the right person. I’d rather just leave RVN for example until April if that means getting the right guy.

 

Let’s say that is Rohl, again for example. Yes they took a beating last night but they are only a few points away from the play offs so he is unlikely to move now. If they miss the playoffs, perhaps he would. Or it might be that with a few games to go they are out of contention. So yeah, would rather wait that just go through another manager for the sake of it.

 

Unless Barry-Murphy/King etc just take charge for the time being.

[brookfox]

7 hours ago, Daggers said:

By christ there isn't.

 

This is a squad of gash.

 

Absolute gash.

 

 

Well there is. You’re confusing a fact with an opinion. Vesty, JJ, Ricardo, Faes, Coady, Winks, Skipp, Ndidi, Ayew, BDCR, Vardy, Daka have all made plenty of games in the Prem as stated. Point being this isn’t some wet behind the ears bunch of kids, these are experienced Prem players that Ruud is getting nothing from.

[foxinsocks]

He hasn't caused the mess.... but i don't think he can fix it.  Has he lostvthe dressing room?  Any intelligence?

[westernpark]

Emery was never coming here. He wanted money to spend.

[fox_favourite]

1 minute ago, foxinsocks said:

He hasn't caused the mess.... but i don't think he can fix it.  Has he lostvthe dressing room?  Any intelligence?

The players have certainly given up. They don't want to play the home games. The speed at which they went down the tunnel. But that's because the club has been broken for years and this season, it shattered into a million pieces. 

[Gazza M]

No manager with a reasonable amount of success in the Prem eg Dyche will want the job. We need to give it to someone from lower down who knows they have a 10-11 game holiday to try and get a bit of confidence back and be thinking about 25-26. 

I would sack every coach on the bench appart from King (let him go back to the youth.) as they are clueless and a hybrid of Cooper/Ruud.

 

[teblin]

Both managers this season have the worst win percentage since Dave Bassett im 25 years ago. Even Holloway has a better percentage than both of them.

 

Terrible appointments both of them. 

[RonnieTodger]

He’s not doing anything to try and change it.

 

We are not good enough to take teams on with a high line. The plans against Arsenal and Spurs were correct, but you need to do that against Brentford too.

 

They're all superior teams. 

[fox_up_north]

It's gone beyond silly now. Give him til May but spend this time actively preparing a 2-3 year plan to regroup and come back up. 

 

Who is the manager going to be?

What will the player recruitment look like?

Who goes?

 

Ideally Year 1 will be another immediate return, with the 2025 summer window buying 2-3 quality attackers who can get you up and be a foundation for prem.

 

Year 2 will be summer 2026 window picking up the more solid backline (which is usually cheaper). Survival should be the aim.

 

Year 3 will be summer 2027 buying improved first 11 attackers to consolidate

 

 

[StanSP]

Surely, surely he doesn't start Ayew and Reid next to Vardy on Thursday?! 

[splinterdream]

Just now, StanSP said:

Surely, surely he doesn't start Ayew and Reid next to Vardy on Thursday?! 

I think he changes it now, I'd be amazed if he stuck with the same 11 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

Sack him he is incompetent 

[jonny_wright]

Can’t blame Ruud, you have the blame top and rudkin for appointing probably the worst manager that could have, 1 season as a manager in a tinpot league…. Quite unbelievable 

[Eskay]

Sounds like in the press conference he finally just said what he's really thinking. The squad is shit and we're down unless something amazing happens. First time he's spoken out of turn/against King Power. 

[JayT - Always A Fox!]

He referenced our ‘great escape’ season the other day and said that it came off because of the club and Nigel’s long term plan finally coming together. I think he thinks this idea he has is going to click and all of a sudden we’re going to be a new team!! 
 

Nigel changed the shape of the team. He also brought in an experienced CB in Huth who had a point to prove and gave the defence a whole new confidence. 
 

In my opinion, we just need to go for it now. If it means we get beat 4/5 nil then so be it. Go down with a fight. Play Jake Evans or even (dare I say it) Daka up front with Vardy!