Rodger’s vs the board (chicken vs egg)

[Lambert09]

Time is definitely a bit of a healer and my full on venom towards Brendan has diluted.  But im curious on people’s thoughts on this.

 

At the time, many (myself included) believed that the reason for our downfall was Brendan. it was the boards because they didn’t get rid of him quick enough but by and large I think we all believed he caused this downfall with project ego.

 

In hindsight, it’s clear that the problems he raised all those years ago, particularly after forest, were valid.

 

Theres no hiding that to get that squad relegated is nothing short of a disgrace. But the real short coming,  was the club not supporting him. 
 

He created something special for 2 seasons and at the crunch time in January, when we were laboured with injuries (both times) he didn’t get the support he needed.

 

The injured players never returned at the same levels. (Wilf, Ricardo, Justin, even Maddison for large periods) 

 

And this failure to evolve led us to forest, when Brendan said it how it is. The  club needed a complete rebuild. He was exactly right… the summer comes and we did…. Absolutely nothing. 
 

Now, you can be mad with how he handled it. But this had been coming. Look at man city from this season, things go stale even with the best managers in football. the fresh players change what you can do and reenergize the club, it stops people getting too comfy.  When he realised how far gone we were, he simply stopped trying and wanted to be sacked… the club were too inept to do that and had put themselves in that position with severe mismanagement of funds. 
 

All I need to know, to work out who is to blame….we replaced fofana with faes. 
 

Curious how peoples opinions might have switched looking back with hindsight 

Edited 3 March by Lambert09

[phoneticerror]

I agree with you in large parts and I’ve had a similar epiphany. But playing Ward over and over and over cannot be forgiven. 

[davieG]

Still blame Rodgers he had enough of a team to survive but he got the hump and gave up trying. 

[oldbluefox]

They were lazy, unfit and unmotivated. That was down to Rodgers who was picking up a nice fat salary. Appalling. 

[Lambert09]

2 minutes ago, oldbluefox said:

They were lazy, unfit and unmotivated. That was down to Rodgers who was picking up a nice fat salary. Appalling. 

They’re still all of those things… when do they take accountability 

[Dan]

The board are a bigger issue but that doesn't mean Rodgers wasn't a disgrace as well. His recruitment dire and a large part for needing a rebuild in the first place.

 

He sped up the process of the decline basically by tanking in 2022/23. He obviously wanted the sack. The idiots above him couldn't see what was obvious to everybody.

 

I dislike Aiyawatt and Rudkin more but he's certainly not in my good books and never will be. 

[Gamble92]

4 minutes ago, oldbluefox said:

They were lazy, unfit and unmotivated. That was down to Rodgers who was picking up a nice fat salary. Appalling. 

This is how football has let things get too. Imagine the worst case scenario being if you turn up for your job and do absolutely shit, they'll pay off all your contract for millions and you can just go somewhere else anyway. 

 

And us mugs just spend hundreds to go and watch it every week. 

[David Hankey]

It's easy to blame Rodgers but at the end of the day the players, collectively, have a huge responsibly on results.

 

Remember, they are all professional footballers who know how to play the game.

 

If they were a lazy and unfit then the coaches have something to answer for.

 

 

[Clogger_]

Rodgers inherited a super squad. TBF, he surfed it pretty well for a couple of years. But the wheels quickly fell off when he started to influence recruitment. Close parallel with Ranieri, really. (Though unlike Claudio, Rodgers is an a**e.)

[bovril]

I think his legacy is complex. He's a good coach as he's shown elsewhere, and despite missing out on the top 4 he was essentially pretty successful - our two highest back to back finishes ever and a major trophy. And our regression after that trophy win was obviously not totally down to him.

 

At the same time as Davie G says above his demeanour and man management were seriously detrimental to the team and hastened our decline. He should have gone earlier. His spell at Liverpool also suggests he finds it difficult to create sustained success or reverse slides. 

 

I think some of the quite intense dislike towards him seems to be influenced partially by his personality. But he played a big role in our relegation. We sacked him 3 games later than we did Ranieri in 2017. If he's gone earlier and we'd stayed up as we did in 2017, I think his spell would be seen pretty positively. 

 

 

 

[tinpot_fox]

yes but no but yes but no but yes.

 

As far as I'm aware Rodgers was at least partially personally responsible for the dismantling of a successful/partially successful recruitment program that kept city in a good place financially and in table position. Do I really need to dig up the players he was excited to bring in but never played, it certainly smelled of backhanders being passed around.

[The Doctor]

while the club ****ed up those January windows (oh let's get Ryan Bennett to secure champions league football), I still don't think that Rodgers was entirely right saying the squad needed a rebuild, like at that point look at the squad we had and who signed them (or debut for the academy products)

 

Schmeichel - Sven

Albrighton, Vardy - Pearson

Amartey, Ndidi, Mendy - Ranieri

Iheanacho - Shakey

Soyuncu, Evans, Ricardo, Barnes, Tielemans, Maddison, Choudhury, Ward - Puel

Justin, Fofana, Bertrand, Vestergaard, Castagne, Thomas, KDH, Lookman, Soumare, Daka, Perez - Rodgers 

 

He signed a good 40% of the squad, if we needed a rebuild then that's on the poor recruitment between him and Congerton, particularly since if you look at the best line up from that (excepting Fofana as he was injured at the time) in the system we played it's arguably: Schmeichel, Ricardo, Evans, Soyuncu, Castagne, Ndidi, Barnes, Tielemans, Maddison, Lookman, Vardy, or 1 x Sven, 1 x Pearson, 1 x Ranieri, 6 x Puel, 2 x Rodgers

 

he signed a huge chunk of the squad, and importantly a huge chunk of the bloat, any claim of a need for a rebuild is ultimately a confession that him and Congerton ****ed it big time

 

 

[RoboFox]

My stance on Rodgers has softened a little bit over the last 12 months or so, but not much.

 

I can’t forgive him giving up and fishing for the sack and I used to think that he relegated us because he couldn’t stand to be proven wrong about his team selections.

 

I still think he’s massively culpable in our decline, but it’s become very clear since that the issues ran much deeper than a mardy manager who wasn’t getting his own way.

 

Definitely a narcissistic sociopath and a proper pecker, n'all. 
 

Edited 3 March by RoboFox

[foxfanazer]

Absolute cretinous little dwarf

[Pita]

19 minutes ago, phoneticerror said:

I agree with you in large parts and I’ve had a similar epiphany. But playing Ward over and over and over cannot be forgiven. 

By that time he had given up and wanted the sack

[davieG]

3 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

It's easy to blame Rodgers but at the end of the day the players, collectively, have a huge responsibly on results.

 

Remember, they are all professional footballers who know how to play the game.

 

If they were a lazy and unfit then the coaches have something to answer for.

 

 

Well the question was Rodgers or the Board. Of course they were all culpable including the players. But there was enough talent to stay up it still down to the manager to motivate and manage the team he clearly  was angry with the board and threw in the towel 

[Lambert09]

4 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

Absolute cretinous little dwarf

Top, Rudkin or Brendan?

 

or can we just band them Susan wheelan and the 3 dwarfs? 

[winteriscoming]

100% Rodgers fault. Play Iversen and Soyuncu instead of the 2 clowns Ward and Amartey and we comfortably finish mid table. He wanted the sack before the season started. 

[lcfcbluearmy]

20 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Time is definitely a bit of a healer and my full on venom towards Brendan has diluted.  But im curious on people’s thoughts on this.

 

At the time, many (myself included) believed that the reason for our downfall was Brendan. it was the boards because they didn’t get rid of him quick enough but by and large I think we all believed he caused this downfall with project ego.

 

In hindsight, it’s clear that the problems he raised all those years ago, particularly after forest, were valid.

 

Theres no hiding that to get that squad relegated is nothing short of a disgrace. But the real short coming,  was the club not supporting him. 
 

He created something special for 2 seasons and at the crunch time in January, when we were laboured with injuries (both times) he didn’t get the support he needed.

 

The injured players never returned at the same levels. (Wilf, Ricardo, Justin, even Maddison for large periods) 

 

And this failure to evolve led us to forest, when Brendan said it how it is. The  club needed a complete rebuild. He was exactly right… the summer comes and we did…. Absolutely nothing. 
 

Now, you can be mad with how he handled it. But this had been coming. Look at man city from this season, things go stale even with the best managers in football. the fresh players change what you can do and reenergize the club, it stops people getting too comfy.  When he realised how far gone we were, he simply stopped trying and wanted to be sacked… the club were too inept to do that and had put themselves in that position with severe mismanagement of funds. 
 

All I need to know, to work out who is to blame….we replaced fofana with faes. 
 

Curious how peoples opinions might have switched looking back with hindsight 

No, I still absolutely can't stand him, whether or not he was lied too in that summer/ January is no excuse for how he acted. He had been heavily backed and had wasted it on people that he didn't want/ were not good enough, then as soon as things started not going his way he through a temper tantrum and purposely excluded players and played out of form players because he wanted the sack. That team was more than capable of mid table and was severely, imo purposely, mismanaged because he wanted a pay off.

 

Disgusting ego, disgusting behaviour I will never forgive him

[splinterdream]

22 minutes ago, davieG said:

Still blame Rodgers he had enough of a team to survive but he got the hump and gave up trying. 

Rodgers wanted the sack, and was doing what he could to get sacked, but the club had stupidly.given him a contract they couldn't afford, so clubs fault really, Rodgers was just playing the game 

[Pliskin]

He created his own problems. 
 

One of the catalysts to our downfall was the alleged extra responsibility we gave Brendan with regards to transfers, and it told…

 

Brendan is a good coach, a top coach in fact, however, what prevents him from rubbing shoulders with the games elite, is his hideous transfer history. His Liverpool signings look diabolical in comparison to Klopp, and following his first stint at Celtic they warned us too about his ropey transfers.

 

I believe THAT disastrous window was the time it really came to a head. Brendan, had control, but so did the club, and I think it came to a cross roads on this moment. The club signed the likes of Daka and Soumare who I am convinced Brendan didn’t want or actively seek, and then we signed Bertrand and Jannick, who are both just big bags of shit. 
 

PRS came around to bite us, and Brendan lost his head, thus the decline hit turbo mode…… 

 

Brendan is a fantastic coach, but his shortcomings are pretty significant for a manager, perhaps he has changed, but I think he views himself so highly, that eventually he will slip back into his old ways again. 

[jayfox26]

Of course with hindsight, the board have been a huge problem for years but I don't feel sorry in the slightest bit for Rodgers as it's the money wasted by him and his mate Congerton that has caused the financial issues we are now in. We had a strategy where we sold a key player every season in order to fund us improving the squad and in summer 2021 we didn't do this and spent the best part of £70m on players that weren't good enough, were on high wages and are still clogging our wage bill now, Daka, Soumare and Vestergaard. 

 

If Rodgers felt so strongly about being let down by the board, he should have walked but not only did he want his pay off, he also downed tools and pretty much sabotaged us so we were relegated. That squad should never in a million years have been relegated. 

 

Thanks for the fa Cup but he's an absolute bell end and one of, if not the, most unlikeable managers we've ever had. 

[Corky]

He basically gave up coaching us. Should have been sacked months earlier.

 

 

[john ridley]

Still think he's  a prize tosser and always  will be. 

[CosbehFox]

We are concentrating too much on the players. 

 

But the club gave them the power to shape a lot more behind the scenes and it was a disaster. We had a talent drain off the back end of it. Medical, sports science, analytics etc. Doctor Injection making players run on sand recovering from ACLs 

 

We need a rebuild and there were promises we would sell players. But he had a huge part to play within that scenario he worked. 

 

When Rodgers moved back up to the North West (for honourable reasons), that was the day he gave up on it really.