Next Manager

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, Libertine said:

This is literally it. 

 

Terrifying really. An excitable overgrown child.

 

I'm starting to think that's more and more the case, yeah. I used to think he was a bit more of an absentee landlord, in the wake of his father's death and then covid troubling their business at home it felt like he was this distant figure with his name on the deed. 

 

Does feel increasingly his vision for what he wants out of the club has to big an impact and a lot of what he wants is deeply rooted in his own nostalgia. 

 

[Lambert09]

4 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

There’s no way we sign Ayew, Skipp and Bdr if Enzo was still in charge. Manager’s have some input. 

 Claudio told the world that Steve Walsh would ring him every day trying to convince him to sign kante. That tells you everything, he wasn’t telling Rudkin everyday, the manager has always seemed to have the final say here.  
 

Cooper wanted prem experience

 

enzo wanted technical players 

 

Brendan got lost along the way and moved to wanting prem experience after a few bad calls. 

 

Under enzo we targeted certain players he knew well. with Brendan half the signed players were under the agency his son works for. 
 

Half the reason Rudkin is so bad is because he doesn’t know what he’s doing so overly trusts the managers even when they’re clearly taking us down the wrong path 

 

Wheoever we bring in next, needs to be competent with recruitment or we will be failing again. 

Edited 7 May 2025 by Lambert09

[Super_horns]

2 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

@Super_horns what’s Cleverley’s coaching staff like?

Well he had some guys from the youth team and then brought in a coach from Real Madrid B (the Pozzos probably did ..)  but he didn’t last long .

 

Paul Robinson had a go for a bit before being replaced by Javi Gracia’s ex assistant.

 

TBH we get through coaches as quick as we do managers .

 

Pozzo has basically come out and said Cleverley wasn’t do well enough as they think we have a top 6 squad..

[kingfox]

52 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

a lot of what he wants is deeply rooted in his own nostalgia. 

 

I don’t think Top had pictures of Steve Cooper in a Wrexham shirt on his bedroom wall when he was younger. 

[CosbehFox]

7 minutes ago, kingfox said:

I don’t think Top had pictures of Steve Cooper in a Wrexham shirt on his bedroom wall when he was younger. 

Have to remember Cooper was firmly Plan B.
 

The club thought they had Potter over the line. 
 

 

[kingfox]

8 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Have to remember Cooper was firmly Plan B.
 

The club thought they had Potter over the line. 
 

 

Can’t imagine Top having pictures of Graham Potter in a York City shirt on his bedroom wall either tbf. 

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, Lambert09 said:

Under enzo we targeted certain players he knew well.

But who did we end up buying he knew well?

Given his Man City links we ended up with just Doyle on loan 

 

Winks Defensive Midfield	27	Tottenham  Premier League	€11.60m
Tom Cannon Centre-Forward	20	Everton  Premier League	€8.80m
Conor Coady Centre-Back	30	Wolves  Premier League	€8.70m
Mads Hermansen Goalkeeper	23	Bröndby IF  Superliga	€7.70m
Stephy Mavididi Left Winger	25	Montpellier  Ligue 1	€7.50m
Issahaku Fatawu Right Winger	19	Sporting CP  Liga Portugal	Loan fee: €750k
Yunus Akgün Right Winger	23	Galatasaray  Süper Lig	Loan fee: €500k
Cesare Casadei Central Midfield

 

 

 

[Stadt]

16 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Can’t imagine Top having pictures of Graham Potter in a York City shirt on his bedroom wall either tbf. 

No but he's a big name after being Chelsea, Top is a total star****er but I'd imagine difficult to reach.

 

- The remit probably pans out like this. "Jon, get a famous manager that will make us play like Man City"

- Rudkin ambles around humming and awing, going back for Potter, only to be rejected for the nth time.

- Try furtively for some bigger names but not possession focused i.e Moyes

- Try and talk to Top but he's difficult to reach 

- Running out of time

- Steve Cooper wants the job and is available 

 

[cityfanlee23]

Liam manning talk has really started to ramp up in the last 24 hours. Slight concerns about him but it's a step in the right direction. He's definitely benefitted from a less competitive league this year. Finishing in the playoffs with the same number of wins as last seasons mid table finish. 6 points more this season though, no doubt he would be a gamble but I do like the job he's done since Pearson left and he's built on his foundation. 

[HankMarvin]

Just now, cityfanlee23 said:

Liam manning talk has really started to ramp up in the last 24 hours. Slight concerns about him but it's a step in the right direction. He's definitely benefitted from a less competitive league this year. Finishing in the playoffs with the same number of wins as last seasons mid table finish. 6 points more this season though, no doubt he would be a gamble but I do like the job he's done since Pearson left and he's built on his foundation. 

Given that our financial position is so precarious this season, and rumours of it being the reason RVN is still in a job and it could be delayed till next season accounts. Logic would suggest if this is the case they won’t be looking at paying a managers release in the same season to offset that expenditure.

Given that there are managers that fit the remit and readily available and the time of recruitment of course.

 

[kingfox]

16 minutes ago, Stadt said:

No but he's a big name after being Chelsea, Top is a total star****er but I'd imagine difficult to reach.

 

- The remit probably pans out like this. "Jon, get a famous manager that will make us play like Man City"

- Rudkin ambles around humming and awing, going back for Potter, only to be rejected for the nth time.

- Try furtively for some bigger names but not possession focused i.e Moyes

- Try and talk to Top but he's difficult to reach 

- Running out of time

- Steve Cooper wants the job and is available 

 

Top’s history of appointing managers - Rodgers, Smith, Maresca, Cooper and RVN, while also keen on Graham Potter for a long period of time. 
 

The majority of those appointments and being keen on Potter, that to me shows an owner who had strong visions for possession based football. 
 

The one that made no sense from that lot was Cooper, we’ll have no idea what his PowerPoint presentation said. But of course as you’ve laid out, Potter was first choice, he pissed about, so Cooper was appointed instead. 
 

Many fans will say this board has zero vision, they had clear vision when they appointed the likes of Rodgers and Maresca especially, yet they fvcked up that vision with the managerial appointments for this season. 
 

If the next manager is Russell Martin for example, then yet again it shows that the clubs main vision is possession based football. 
 

If Top really is a big name merchant that some fans claim him to be, then it will probably be Steven Gerrard walking through the door. 

[ClaphamFox]

57 minutes ago, kingfox said:

Top’s history of appointing managers - Rodgers, Smith, Maresca, Cooper and RVN, while also keen on Graham Potter for a long period of time. 
 

The majority of those appointments and being keen on Potter, that to me shows an owner who had strong visions for possession based football. 
 

The one that made no sense from that lot was Cooper, we’ll have no idea what his PowerPoint presentation said. But of course as you’ve laid out, Potter was first choice, he pissed about, so Cooper was appointed instead. 
 

Many fans will say this board has zero vision, they had clear vision when they appointed the likes of Rodgers and Maresca especially, yet they fvcked up that vision with the managerial appointments for this season. 
 

If the next manager is Russell Martin for example, then yet again it shows that the clubs main vision is possession based football. 
 

If Top really is a big name merchant that some fans claim him to be, then it will probably be Steven Gerrard walking through the door. 

I have a suspicion that Cooper was so keen on the job he told Top he would would play possession football even though it wasn’t really his thing. Then when he started working with the squad he opted for a hybrid of Enzo’s style and his own style, which resulted in the chaotic football we saw in the first few months of the season. 
 

RVN isn’t really a possession-obsessed manager either. He apparently favours an aggressive press and quick transitions, but feels the current squad isn’t fit or quick enough to play that way. Interestingly Martin said in his recent interview on MNF that he’ll probably try a more direct style in his next job. 

[kingfox]

8 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

I have a suspicion that Cooper was so keen on the job he told Top he would would play possession football even though it wasn’t really his thing. Then when he started working with the squad he opted for a hybrid of Enzo’s style and his own style, which resulted in the chaotic football we saw in the first few months of the season. 
 

RVN isn’t really a possession-obsessed manager either. He apparently favours an aggressive press and quick transitions, but feels the current squad isn’t fit or quick enough to play that way. Interestingly Martin said in his recent interview on MNF that he’ll probably try a more direct style in his next job. 

We’ll never know the depths of Cooper’s appointment, but from the off it was clear he wanted a few tweaks from Enzo’s style, but as time went on the style of football just had zero identity. 
 

From Ruud’s point of view, the only thing you have to go on is his PSV stint, where unsurprisingly they were one the more dominant possession sides in the Eredivisie. If Ruud was our manager in the Championship, it would be no surprise if he looked to dominate possession more often than not. All these recent comments regarding quick transitions for instance, that just shows how clueless he is considering he was playing our slowest attackers over Mavididi. 
 

I’d rather see someone else who can also adopt an aggressive press, that’s why I’m very keen on the likes of John Mousinho and Will Still. 
 

You give them the right tools, especially in midfield when energy is needed, you take Ndidi, Soumare and Winks out the equation, then that style could work well. 

[Langston]

Might be me being completely unreasonable because he's done a great job on the surface but I'd be underwhelmed with Manning.. I'd still have him over other plenty of other names in the frame tho..

[winteriscoming]

From what’s been said I do wonder if Cleverley started playing youngsters because he had no other options left or he believes in giving youth a chance. Possibly a mixture of both. 
Interesting that Cleverleys Watford only finished 1 point behind Rohls Weds.

Would Cleverley or Rohl instantly start playing youngsters ahead of experienced players? Who realistically would? 
Genuinely think Cleverley is a decent option. 
Not my first choice but certainly better some of the names we’ve apparently interested in. 

[fox_favourite]

2 hours ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Liam manning talk has really started to ramp up in the last 24 hours. Slight concerns about him but it's a step in the right direction. He's definitely benefitted from a less competitive league this year. Finishing in the playoffs with the same number of wins as last seasons mid table finish. 6 points more this season though, no doubt he would be a gamble but I do like the job he's done since Pearson left and he's built on his foundation. 

Where have these Liam manning rumours being ramping up? I'm not on Musk social so no idea 

[bovril]

4 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

Does feel increasingly his vision for what he wants out of the club has to big an impact and a lot of what he wants is deeply rooted in his own nostalgia. 

 

 

3 hours ago, kingfox said:

I don’t think Top had pictures of Steve Cooper in a Wrexham shirt on his bedroom wall when he was younger. 

Announce Geri Halliwell. 

[pmcla26]

31 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

Where have these Liam manning rumours being ramping up? I'm not on Musk social so no idea 

They haven’t been 

[Philkeavo]

5 hours ago, Lambert09 said:

 Claudio told the world that Steve Walsh would ring him every day trying to convince him to sign kante. That tells you everything, he wasn’t telling Rudkin everyday, the manager has always seemed to have the final say here.  
 

Cooper wanted prem experience

 

enzo wanted technical players 

 

Brendan got lost along the way and moved to wanting prem experience after a few bad calls. 

 

Under enzo we targeted certain players he knew well. with Brendan half the signed players were under the agency his son works for. 
 

Half the reason Rudkin is so bad is because he doesn’t know what he’s doing so overly trusts the managers even when they’re clearly taking us down the wrong path 

 

Wheoever we bring in next, needs to be competent with recruitment or we will be failing again. 

Nailed it 👏

[fox_favourite]

46 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

They haven’t been 

Excellent. 

[Lambert09]

4 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

But who did we end up buying he knew well?

Given his Man City links we ended up with just Doyle on loan 

 

 

Winks Defensive Midfield	27	Tottenham  Premier League	€11.60m
Tom Cannon Centre-Forward	20	Everton  Premier League	€8.80m
Conor Coady Centre-Back	30	Wolves  Premier League	€8.70m
Mads Hermansen Goalkeeper	23	Bröndby IF  Superliga	€7.70m
Stephy Mavididi Left Winger	25	Montpellier  Ligue 1	€7.50m
Issahaku Fatawu Right Winger	19	Sporting CP  Liga Portugal	Loan fee: €750k
Yunus Akgün Right Winger	23	Galatasaray  Süper Lig	Loan fee: €500k
Cesare Casadei Central Midfield

 

 

 

It was well publicized at the time that enzo was calling casadei persistently convincing him to sign.  Sensi was again obviously an  enzo call, we also went for THB before he opted for southampton and supposedly tried for Shea Charles as well.  They may have not signed but theres enough to see a trend that the manager was at least getting a big say on targets. 

 

It seems obvious to me that it is a mix of scouts finding a player with the traits the manager has requested and the managers saying yes or no on it and the manager asking for someone specific 

[Ric Flair]

6 hours ago, Mark_w said:

The biggest priority for our new manager is identifying and removing the players who aren’t interested in or capable of contributing effectively to a football team aspiring to compete in the Premier League. Who really cares how many of our academy players are in that team? Schlupp and King were the only academy players who properly featured in our title win and I’m pretty sure none of us cared.

Because quite frankly it's been the blueprint over the last decade To improve our academy to develop players capable of playing at the highest level. We need the bravery for managers to bring them through. It's one of the main reasons for Seagrave. 

 

Also, we already have done well at producing Chilwell, Barnes, KDH and others but had we not done so and raised the £120m + in transfer fees and purely profit on them, we'd be in far more fina challenge difficulties than wrong already are. Sadly we've created this mess off the field and whilst I don't enjoy having to develop players to sell, it's the single logical way a club grows long term. Buy low, sell high, re-invest.

[Finnegan]

4 hours ago, kingfox said:

Can’t imagine Top having pictures of Graham Potter in a York City shirt on his bedroom wall either tbf. 

 

Graham Potter is an ex Chelsea manager who plays football the way Top thinks you're supposed to because Pep's Barca did. 

 

[Holly B]

12 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

It was well publicized at the time that enzo was calling casadei persistently convincing him to sign.  Sensi was again obviously an  enzo call, we also went for THB before he opted for southampton and supposedly tried for Shea Charles as well.  They may have not signed but theres enough to see a trend that the manager was at least getting a big say on targets. 

 

It seems obvious to me that it is a mix of scouts finding a player with the traits the manager has requested and the managers saying yes or no on it and the manager asking for someone specific 

McAtee was also in the building but chose elsewhere 

[kingfox]

21 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Graham Potter is an ex Chelsea manager who plays football the way Top thinks you're supposed to because Pep's Barca did. 

 

But he also isn’t the nostalgia type, unless Top did actually have pictures of him in a York City shirt on his bedroom wall 🤷‍♂️