Danny Rohl - incoming?

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

3 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

Can we afford not to? 
 

I expect to be crucified for saying this, but is Ruud the problem? As we all know the problems are way above him. He inherited a shit squad with a bad attitude and culture, and perhaps the strangest thing about bringing Ruud in was that he only brought in one of his own coaches (Barry-Murphy and King were appointed by the club). And not only was he not backed with his own coaches, he wasn’t backed in January. I think he should have done better, but for me the damage was done with the summer recruitment. No one could have kept this squad up. If he’s here next year, I’ll support him but he needs to get off to a good start.

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, Stadt said:

They stayed up by the skin of their teeth, he knew he wasn’t going to be there for years, he had far too much to do as the manager.

 

I don’t think you can blame him for that particularly. This probably isn’t that accurate as it’s via AI but the age of his signings 

- Ben Hamer: 36
- Max Lowe: 27
- Yan Valery: 25
- Svante Ingelsson: 26
- Olaf Kobacki: 22
- Jamal Lowe: 30
- Ike Ugbo: 25
- Charlie McNeill: 20
- James Beadle: 20
- Shea Charles: 20
- Ibrahim Cissoko: 21
- Ryo Hatsuse: 27

Yeah perhaps there's an explanation, there's a few more too.

 

Stuart Armstrong 33

Nathaniel Chalobah 30

 

I'm just nervous we get yet another manager not brave enough to do what's needed.

 

[Pliskin]

Just now, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I expect to be crucified for saying this, but is Ruud the problem? As we all know the problems are way above him. He inherited a shit squad with a bad attitude and culture, and perhaps the strangest thing about bringing Ruud in was that he only brought in one of his own coaches (Barry-Murphy and King were appointed by the club). And not only was he not backed with his own coaches, he wasn’t backed in January. I think he should have done better, but for me the damage was done with the summer recruitment. No one could have kept this squad up. If he’s here next year, I’ll support him but he needs to get off to a good start.

Ruud isn’t the problem. The problem as you say, is the clueless board we have running or don’t seams, destroying the club from the inside out. 
 

But, I think the damage is done for Ruud, and I don’t think the situation is recoverable…… he’s better off leaving for his own good. 

[Clever Fox]

31 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

More of a reason for me to go for Muslić I feel he is the diamond in the rough for us, I think he would be a great fit for us as a club. 

Yes, He does look like he could be a good fit for us. He clearly has something about himself given the job he's done at Plymouth. He would surely come cheap also.

[Ric Flair]

28 minutes ago, winteriscoming said:

Interested to know who you want us to get next season. 

My requirements are very clear. Must be willing to bring through academy players as a number one priority, even if it risks short term success. Likewise have a philosophy and ideally a track record of building a side of young players, improving them and raising significant funds to reinvest and grow.

 

A lot of this needs to be the mandate from the top of the club as much as the managers natural ideals but if there is a manager fixated on that like for example Enzo is wedded to his particular philosophy then I'd be 100% on board.

 

I'm trying to do some research for such candidates. @Claudio Fannieri suggestion of Muslic at Plymouth is one of the best shouts I've heard all season. He ticks a lot of the above boxes, he did a lot of this at Cercle Brugge.

[winteriscoming]

1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I expect to be crucified for saying this, but is Ruud the problem? As we all know the problems are way above him. He inherited a shit squad with a bad attitude and culture, and perhaps the strangest thing about bringing Ruud in was that he only brought in one of his own coaches (Barry-Murphy and King were appointed by the club). And not only was he not backed with his own coaches, he wasn’t backed in January. I think he should have done better, but for me the damage was done with the summer recruitment. No one could have kept this squad up. If he’s here next year, I’ll support him but he needs to get off to a good start.

I completely agree that above him needs sorting out asap both ownership and dof but I don’t think he’s helped himself. 
Not saying we’d of definitely stopped up with someone else but I think at the very least we’d of had 2 or 3 more wins and a few draws. A more experienced manager would have got those results. 
17 defeats out of 19. 
No goals in 9 consecutive home games. 
That is shockingly bad. 
A half decent manager championship gets more out of these players. 

[Guppys Love Child]

1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I expect to be crucified for saying this, but is Ruud the problem? As we all know the problems are way above him. He inherited a shit squad with a bad attitude and culture, and perhaps the strangest thing about bringing Ruud in was that he only brought in one of his own coaches (Barry-Murphy and King were appointed by the club). And not only was he not backed with his own coaches, he wasn’t backed in January. I think he should have done better, but for me the damage was done with the summer recruitment. No one could have kept this squad up. If he’s here next year, I’ll support him but he needs to get off to a good start.

Yes.

 

He's was a brilliant player but is a crap manager. 

 

Yes the problems currently do, and have done for a while originate from above, but a more competent manager would have made a better fist of this weapons grade sh1t show of a season that we have suffred.  His win  / loss record speaks for its self - its horrendous 

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

You need them to be aligned though and follow the mandate. You also need them to have the bra ery to develop young players.

100%

 

 

[Stadt]

12 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

My requirements are very clear. Must be willing to bring through academy players as a number one priority, even if it risks short term success. Likewise have a philosophy and ideally a track record of building a side of young players, improving them and raising significant funds to reinvest and grow.

 

A lot of this needs to be the mandate from the top of the club as much as the managers natural ideals but if there is a manager fixated on that like for example Enzo is wedded to his particular philosophy then I'd be 100% on board.

 

I'm trying to do some research for such candidates. @Claudio Fannieri suggestion of Muslic at Plymouth is one of the best shouts I've heard all season. He ticks a lot of the above boxes, he did a lot of this at Cercle Brugge.

No manager has ever really emboldened youth at the club. Which denotes it’s a club/hierarchy probably rather than a managerial one.

 

We should have clear and contractual targets that x% of minutes/minimum of x starts are to be played by academy graduates. 
 

I’ve said this quite a few times now but you’d think Rudkin would be overeager to have his life’s work validated by managers who play the kids, instead we appoint any old bin liner as manager.

Edited 8 hours ago by Stadt

[kingfox]

41 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm trying to do some research for such candidates. @Claudio Fannieri suggestion of Muslic at Plymouth is one of the best shouts I've heard all season. He ticks a lot of the above boxes, he did a lot of this at Cercle Brugge.

Will Still aside, I’d get doing some digging on Carles Martinez Novell at Toulouse, really solid history when it comes to youth development, he spent a period of time with the Barcelona youth system. He has similarities to what Regis Le Bris was doing at Lorient. 
 

Elsewhere, two managers in their first season’s in management, Sebastien Pocognoli(Union SG) and Paul Simonis(Go Ahead Eagles) are both having intriguing campaigns and their stocks could be soon on the rise. Pocognoli has worked in the youth systems with Union SG, Genk and Belgium national team. Simonis worked in the Sparta Rotterdam youth setup for a good period of time, was assistant manager at Go Ahead and Heerenveen, before taking the Go Ahead main job last summer. Go Ahead currently have the second youngest side in the Eredivisie. 
 

Aside from Muslic and Still, those three are the most intriguing and realistic names I’ve come across, that will more than likely be willing to give our younger talent a chance. 
 

But they are probably all too hipster for our board. 
 

#WelcomeBrussel

[MPH]

10 hours ago, AjcW said:

Perhaps he's quite settled in the general area and doesn't fancy moving again.

it’s ok. We’d be fine with him comuting as far as he wants to 

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Ruud isn’t the problem

It’s like having a leak on your roof and calling a chef to fix it 

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

Ruud isn’t the problem. The problem as you say, is the clueless board we have running or don’t seams, destroying the club from the inside out. 
 

But, I think the damage is done for Ruud, and I don’t think the situation is recoverable…… he’s better off leaving for his own good. 

 I might be mistaken, but  didn’t our results get worse after sacking cooper?

 

yes our board and Dof need completely revamping, but he is shaping out to be a terrible  appointment. He’s definitely part of the problem

[Guy]

1 hour ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I expect to be crucified for saying this, but is Ruud the problem? As we all know the problems are way above him. He inherited a shit squad with a bad attitude and culture, and perhaps the strangest thing about bringing Ruud in was that he only brought in one of his own coaches (Barry-Murphy and King were appointed by the club). And not only was he not backed with his own coaches, he wasn’t backed in January. I think he should have done better, but for me the damage was done with the summer recruitment. No one could have kept this squad up. If he’s here next year, I’ll support him but he needs to get off to a good start.

I'm not sure how many  would genuinely support Ruud here next season in any capacity if in the unlikely even he did stay on for the Championship next season (it might still happen but doubtful)  - given the hand he was dealt this (Cooper's dire signings) and bereft of confidence/quality at the time,  then not being backed in January, etc, etc to level with his disastrous track record time of it here to date. Trouble is he has also been at times ruthlessly exposed this season too and the 17/19 defeats speaks for itself an everyman would say, as well as the fact we STILL haven't won since January!  While it's obviously still been a steep learning curve for him, I'm not at all sure how he would fare next season with more supposed experience of this club under his belt by then and with a different team to now (ideally!), in a step down in league quality which is more rudimental (no pun intended!), that's all. Unfortunately for him though he can only be judged on this wretched season he's mostly presided here over to the present time. I can't see it happening here for Ruud next season personally....although we're all still clueless as to how else will be in charge if not him of course! Over to Clueso...

[fox_favourite]

There's no point looking into managers. Our twits at the top can't do that. They will only be able to see what's at the end of their nose. 

 

They won't have the foresight to look beyond the usual candidates, never have been able to think outside the box.

 

I have a horrid feeling it'll be Ruud next season, I really do think our board at that inept.

 

I keep saying it, but before the manager, we need a refresh in the running of the footballing side at board level. New ideas that'll bring in a plan, a strategy for the now and the future. Then we can go after managers and sell our new vision to them and have that alignment Rodgers, Enzo and Ruud have talked about. Not make it up on a whim as they do now. 

 

Big decisions need to be made and now! The dithering is worrying me that Ruud will be here next season and we'll be struggling in the championship and he'll be sacked, and the cycle of ineptitude continues. 

[Claudio Fannieri]

7 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Yeah perhaps there's an explanation, there's a few more too.

 

Stuart Armstrong 33

Nathaniel Chalobah 30

 

I'm just nervous we get yet another manager not brave enough to do what's needed.

 

We are blessed with an unbelieveable crop of academy talent coming through so we have to bring in a manager who is completely aligned and committed to playing these young players. 
 

In the case of Danny Rohl it could be that the academy at Wednesday just isn’t producing the players with enough quality or mentality to stand up to the rigours of Championship football. 
 

if the quality isn’t there you can’t promote young players for the sake of it. But our situation is very different and we have to set a mandate with our next managerial appointment  that this reset includes harnessing the academy talent at our disposal. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

8 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Ruud isn’t the problem. The problem as you say, is the clueless board we have running or don’t seams, destroying the club from the inside out. 
 

But, I think the damage is done for Ruud, and I don’t think the situation is recoverable…… he’s better off leaving for his own good. 

You could well be right as well. It wouldn’t surprise anyone if there was a clean break 

[Claudio Fannieri]

Just done a bit of research and Sheffield Wednesday is a cat 2 academy and play in Professional Development League 2 North Division so may not be producing the level of talent that Rohl can promote. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Claudio Fannieri

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

7 hours ago, kingfox said:

Will Still aside, I’d get doing some digging on Carles Martinez Novell at Toulouse, really solid history when it comes to youth development, he spent a period of time with the Barcelona youth system. He has similarities to what Regis Le Bris was doing at Lorient. 
 

Elsewhere, two managers in their first season’s in management, Sebastien Pocognoli(Union SG) and Paul Simonis(Go Ahead Eagles) are both having intriguing campaigns and their stocks could be soon on the rise. Pocognoli has worked in the youth systems with Union SG, Genk and Belgium national team. Simonis worked in the Sparta Rotterdam youth setup for a good period of time, was assistant manager at Go Ahead and Heerenveen, before taking the Go Ahead main job last summer. Go Ahead currently have the second youngest side in the Eredivisie. 
 

Aside from Muslic and Still, those three are the most intriguing and realistic names I’ve come across, that will more than likely be willing to give our younger talent a chance. 
 

But they are probably all too hipster for our board. 
 

#WelcomeBrussel

Sadly this strikes me as level of intelligence gathering that is way beyond our club who seem to get lucky every now and then when an agent touts someone to them.

[Bilo]

8 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

My requirements are very clear. Must be willing to bring through academy players as a number one priority, even if it risks short term success. Likewise have a philosophy and ideally a track record of building a side of young players, improving them and raising significant funds to reinvest and grow.

 

A lot of this needs to be the mandate from the top of the club as much as the managers natural ideals but if there is a manager fixated on that like for example Enzo is wedded to his particular philosophy then I'd be 100% on board.

 

I'm trying to do some research for such candidates. @Claudio Fannieri suggestion of Muslic at Plymouth is one of the best shouts I've heard all season. He ticks a lot of the above boxes, he did a lot of this at Cercle Brugge.

The problem is that the board won't want to sacrifice short-term success. This is actually understandable- the club is geared towards regular Premier League football in terms of its set-up and, frankly, it would only take a semi-conpetent summer for us to be very, very competitive in the promotion race.

 

For me, 'playing the academy players' and 'short-term success' needn't be mutually exclusive if we pick the right man. Sunderland have been a good example this season with some excellent young players.

 

A spine of Stolarczyk, Nelson and Alves with exciting young players already here such as Fatawu, Mavididi and Bilal (if he stays) makes us freakishly capable with a decent signing or two up top.  

[Chrysalis]

8 hours ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

I expect to be crucified for saying this, but is Ruud the problem? As we all know the problems are way above him. He inherited a shit squad with a bad attitude and culture, and perhaps the strangest thing about bringing Ruud in was that he only brought in one of his own coaches (Barry-Murphy and King were appointed by the club). And not only was he not backed with his own coaches, he wasn’t backed in January. I think he should have done better, but for me the damage was done with the summer recruitment. No one could have kept this squad up. If he’s here next year, I’ll support him but he needs to get off to a good start.

Ruud is the worst manager in the EPL ever,   Probably the 2nd worst manager during my lifetime behind Sousa for me. 

 

Ruud has done so bad he is probably done in management once he leaves us.

 

I would even consider Martin an upgrade over him which says a lot.

Edited 12 hours ago by Chrysalis

[murphy]

11 hours ago, Scotch said:

In what world is this true? They had a pretty good Europa run but apart from that... this is the worst top flight Rangers squads in my lifetime. They are so so poor. Even in the Championship, I'm not sure there are more than one or two players I would take from them. 

 

Even with the takeover in the near future, we've seen that be a disaster before at Rangers. And the place is absolutely teaming with John Rudkin-esq incompetence. 

Martin might see it as the ideal time to take over then and restore a languishing juggernaut to former glory and with it his reputation. 

[murphy]

31 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Ruud is the worst manager in the EPL ever,   Probably the 2nd worst manager during my lifetime behind Sousa for me. 

 

Ruud has done so bad he is probably done in management once he leaves us.

 

I would even consider Martin an upgrade over him which says a lot.

Very unfair to call Ruud second worst.  He deserves the undisputed worst ever, hands down.  He's earned it. 

[honeybradger]

25 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

Ruud is the worst manager in the EPL ever,   Probably the 2nd worst manager during my lifetime behind Sousa for me. 

 

Ruud has done so bad he is probably done in management once he leaves us.

 

I would even consider Martin an upgrade over him which says a lot.

Martin got 5 points from 16 games. Ruud is bad but never that bad.

[markko]

I really like the Wolves manager. I am not suggesting we try and get him! What I like is he has bought together the player and fans. His points haul is impressive but he seems to get that the team needs the fans and vice versa. Also popping to the local and becoming part of the community. It may not last and they will no doubt be trying to hold onto players this summer and then having to replace them. That is the sort of manager we need. The Bournemouth manager is also doing a great job and they play exciting football. We need to get back to being a well run club and so changes need to be made and soon, before the next appointment otherwise we will end up building a house on sand.