CosbehFox Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Bert said: I don’t think so. They’ve got until our shares as a premier league club are transferred over which isn’t a relatively long time and we all know these hearings don’t get sorted quickly. The governing bodies want to hit us and hurt us. The only way they can do that is with a points deduction starting next season. Maybe I am naive but the PL have never made a points deduction which has had an impact directly on relegation ie. Forest still would have stayed up regardless of points deduction. They've waited until we are down and done to get to this stage. Governing bodies don't want to hassle - the EFL in particular don't want to bleed money to legal fees. They don't want it to linger because it proves how poor and weak their rules are. They are getting to the stage, they are happy to sweep all this up. Stronger punishments get us to the realms of further time - further chance to do what Man City have done before. At some point, the legal advice will be lets get this wrapped up. Either that or it's a Sheffield United esque two points deduction and a fine. Which is manageable. Edited 20 May 2025 by CosbehFox
Bert Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 3 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: Given that our PSR issues have been dragging on for several years, if all we end up receiving is a single 3-6 point deduction in a Championship season, then I think most of us would take that. Me too. Like Ricey said -6 in the championship isn’t a great deal. Still got the potential to easily claw the points back and have a good season. 2
fox_up_north Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 Imagine if they deduct now and technically make us fewer than Derby? 2
CosbehFox Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 (edited) 10 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said: I swear it was reported by people including Percy saying the KDH sale meant we’d survived a PSR breach? So what has changed? Different PSR period - in fact it's not! Edited 20 May 2025 by CosbehFox
lcfc_forever Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said: Was going to say this. It would be relatively easy to argue that we didn't sign up to the rules at the time, and so they can't be applied retrospectively, and the that the rules should be applied going forward. Yeah, that's what I think but the club's statement accepts that the PL's jurisdiction has been established for the period ending FY24 so doesn't look like we can get off this on a technicality, and it's about mitigation and context now. I very much doubt they can retrospectively apply a rule so I suspect the Tribunal has decided, look you can get away with saying you were not a PL not EFL side for one year, but it's not plausible for two years running. Punishments should be applied in season so we could challenge there saying the process has taken too long? And how the PL can apply a punishment in the EFL will be a subject of contention. Perhaps the only good thing is our losses were less for 23/24 than 22/23? Edited 20 May 2025 by lcfc_forever 1
kingfox Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 This is the start of us returning to the 05-08 era. A bunch of free transfers and loans incoming! What’s Momo Sylla and Rab Douglas doing nowadays 🤔 4 2
Pliskin Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 1 minute ago, Bert said: Me too. Like Ricey said -6 in the championship isn’t a great deal. Still got the potential to easily claw the points back and have a good season. Can still win the league with minus six easily….. start off with wins on the bounce and that’s eradicated immediately. What is also important to remember is an independent panel makes the decision…… so irrespective of what the governing bodies want, they don’t have the final say.
hackneyfox Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 9 minutes ago, leicesterisme said: Non league will not be a choice in a few years if this ownership is still in place, it will be reality. I can now safely ignore any other comment you ever make. 1
st albans fox Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 it seems that we didn’t provide the PL with our championship season 23/24 accounts by end dec 24 as required. I assume we were still using the argument that as a championship club, the PL doesn't have the authority to review our accounts for 23/24 under existing rules. Having reviewed our published accounts for 23/24, the PL seems to have waited for the new rules to be agreed between PL and EFL re jurisdiction crossover and then issued charges. This isn’t a case of retrospective justice - the new rules state that either league can issue charges for breaches in either league. I wonder if the PL have charged us now whilst we’re a PL club to avoid a scenario where the EFL charged us in June and we argued that the breach should have been issued by the PL because the new rules weren’t agreed until April. the breach shouldn’t be too massive but EFL points deductions are often bigger than PL so second guessing isn’t likely to be worthwhile. Seems inconceivable that we won’t receive a deduction next season. Kudos to the board for deciding it was better to avoid one this campaign - hindsight is a wonderful thing but our board doesn’t seem to have foresight either ! 3
Popular Post AKCJ Posted 20 May 2025 Popular Post Posted 20 May 2025 Please aim your focus and anger towards the boardroom. It's their **** up. This isn't the Premier League or EFL that are going after us for no good reason. This is our club spending wages far, far beyond it's means with absolutely no limits being in put in place. If you play for Leicester City and you want a brand new £100k a week deal all you need to do is ask Aiyawatt. It cannot be allowed to continue. We as fans have to push these people out of the club before we're dead and buried. I'm not talking about going back to being an underperforming mid table Championship side. I'm talking Reading, Bury, Rangers etc. Please stop pretending this is all so unfair. 20 3
leicesterisme Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 Just now, AKCJ said: Please aim your focus and anger towards the boardroom. It's their **** up. This isn't the Premier League or EFL that are going after us for no good reason. This is our club spending wages far, far beyond it's means with absolutely no limits being in put in place. If you play for Leicester City and you want a brand new £100k a week deal all you need to do is ask Aiyawatt. It cannot be allowed to continue. We as fans have to push these people out of the club before we're dead and buried. I'm not talking about going back to being an underperforming mid table Championship side. I'm talking Reading, Bury, Rangers etc. Please stop pretending this is all so unfair. Vast majority of this fanbase would much rather bury their head in the sands "but what about man citehhhhhhhhhh" than dare to criticise this shambolic ownership. 1
Ricey Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 It makes the transfer decisions last summer even stranger. It was avoidable, but they decided to spend and then not cooperate the league. They deserve everything they are going to get. If they hadn't spent so long pushing back against the 22/23 charge we could have had both charges out of the way this season. We don't really avoid the 22/23 charge, as they will come down harder on us for our first offence. If we had been punished for 22/23, the 23/24 punishment would have been much less. 2
VLC86 Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 7 minutes ago, kingfox said: This is the start of us returning to the 05-08 era. A bunch of free transfers and loans incoming! What’s Momo Sylla and Rab Douglas doing nowadays 🤔 Probably crack
coolhandfox Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said: So back in January the PL said all clubs had passed PSR and yet now they're charging us for failing 23/24 anyhow? I’m not sure we are being changed with failing PSR as such, but more to do with not following the defined process. Think this will be solved quickly. Edited 20 May 2025 by coolhandfox
funkyrobot Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 Taking the fine and points deduction this season and starting fresh next season presumably with certain high earning players also moved on from the squad and a significant change at boardroom level makes every sense…. …..so we know it won’t happen. Instead we’ll fight it into next season. Receive a fine and points deduction then, keep the same overpaid failures in the squad and give Rudders a wage rise, a new tracksuit and more responsibility.
ClaphamFox Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 1 minute ago, Ricey said: It makes the transfer decisions last summer even stranger. It was avoidable, but they decided to spend and then not cooperate the league. They deserve everything they are going to get. If they hadn't spent so long pushing back against the 22/23 charge we could have had both charges out of the way this season. We don't really avoid the 22/23 charge, as they will come down harder on us for our first offence. If we had been punished for 22/23, the 23/24 punishment would have been much less. Given that there is clear precedent for first offences with Forest and Everton, they might find it difficult to impose a much harsher punishment on us from a legal perspective. 1
The Horse's Mouth Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 5 minutes ago, AKCJ said: I'm not talking about going back to being an underperforming mid table Championship side. I'm talking Reading, Bury, Rangers etc. Didn’t top literally just wipe off 150 odd million worth of debt in January? You can say we’ve been horribly mismanaged but don’t look like a tit, we are nowhere near those levels at all 1
kenny Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 1 minute ago, ClaphamFox said: Given that there is clear precedent for first offences with Forest and Everton, they might find it difficult to impose a much harsher punishment on us from a legal perspective. They can make sure we suffer all through the managerial appointment and transfer window though. It's messed up one preseason resulting in Cooper and they will attempt the same again. When you win, you still lose. 1
HankMarvin Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 1 minute ago, coolhandfox said: I’m not sure we are being changed with failing PSR as such, but more to do with not following the defined process. But you have to ask why, if it’s a case of submitting forecast etc the club can’t foresee what deals they are going to do 5 to 6 months later, even pre agreed arrangements can be affected by a multitude of variables. If nothing was to be gained, rules would be abided by.
TheFiveTime Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 13 minutes ago, kingfox said: This is the start of us returning to the 05-08 era. A bunch of free transfers and loans incoming! What’s Momo Sylla and Rab Douglas doing nowadays 🤔 Rab Douglas was my childhood hero - I was a goalkeeper and I didnt know any better
ClaphamFox Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 1 minute ago, kenny said: They can make sure we suffer all through the managerial appointment and transfer window though. It's messed up one preseason resulting in Cooper and they will attempt the same again. When you win, you still lose. Oh yes. That's why I think the club will end up sticking with RVN next season.
AKCJ Posted 20 May 2025 Posted 20 May 2025 1 minute ago, The Horse's Mouth said: Didn’t top literally just wipe off 150 odd million worth of debt in January? You can say we’ve been horribly mismanaged but don’t look like a tit, we are nowhere near those levels at all So the second he decides he can't be arsed anymore. What happens then? It all needs to be sorted out. Leicester City is fully capable of standing up by itself and should do so. 1
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