Cifuentes OUT

[Joe90]

13 minutes ago, Clogger_ said:

But you are right Joe  For me the *worst* aspect of many, many bad aspects of our club is our insipid zero-passion fanbase (*with honourable exceptions - you know who you are!)

Very good 

[GloverFox]

Far too easy to blame him, when the rot is actually at the very Top; which I do find very hard to say! But often the truth hurts 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

There should probably be two schools of thought after todays insipid performance…

 

1.) We’re awful, is Marti the man to get us at least 25 points to get us through this horrible season (that would take us to 56 - so the magic 50 minus 6)?
 

2.) But also rather bizarrely, has he actually done quite well to get us to 31 points at this stage of the season with this horrible, totally unbalanced squad - given it feels like our next 10 point haul will be a long haul affair.
 

I can’t see Marti staying in post much longer if performances like today continue, but equally I’m not convinced we have the right personnel to significantly alter the direction of our season.

[winteriscoming]

There’s nothing positive from him. 
Hasn’t improved 1 player. 
Zero tactical awareness. 
Clueless in game management. 
Won’t give young players a go instead relies on shit experienced players. 
Yes he’s been dealt a dreadful hand but he really doesn’t help himself. 

[FrankieADZ]

5 minutes ago, GloverFox said:

Far too easy to blame him, when the rot is actually at the very Top; which I do find very hard to say! But often the truth hurts 

well hes shown hes not good enough, keeping Ayew on all game

with the players hes got he should be getting better out of team, just in terms of performances; we've been shit all season

[Clogger_]

9 minutes ago, GloverFox said:

Far too easy to blame him, when the rot is actually at the very Top; which I do find very hard to say! But often the truth hurts 

Why? I don't find it hard to say! For example: Top's an inept polo-playing fool who has systematically run our great club into the ground, while fostering an ageing supine fanbase.

 

See, easy! Welcome to the dark side

 

Edited to say nothing wrong with being old - I am! - but you can have way way way way way too much of a good thing, and here we are.

Edited 26 December 2025 by Clogger_

[kingfox]

Tactically inept. What you can’t do against Watford is allow Imran Louza to dictate the game, for large spells of the game, he did just that. 
 

Also sick of saying this, but he can’t set up a defence to save his life, we’ve been defensively shit for months, our defensive statistics continue to be some of the worst in the Championship. 
 

Everything is pointing to a mid-table or bottom half finish if we continue to persist with Marti. 
 

Whether it’s in attack or defence, we are showing zero signs of improvement under his leadership. 
 

Even though I think he’s been dealt a dodgy hand, our results, league position and statistics indicate that it’s time to go! 

[fox_favourite]

We looked a mess on the pitch. What is so frustrating is that we have the ball in defence, there isn't any movement in front. Everyone just stops and stays in their position. No movement no one wanting the ball all go hiding. 

 

Such a sad state of affairs 

[Pliskin]

36 minutes ago, GloverFox said:

Far too easy to blame him, when the rot is actually at the very Top; which I do find very hard to say! But often the truth hurts 

We need to stop saying this. 
 

We are all well aware where the problems lay…. But, Cifuentes is shit. His football is shit, he continually tries the same formation over and over and over again. He’s not once tried something different….. he’s just  become part of the issue.l because he is trying to play football his way, rather than play football that would suit this current crop of players. 
 

However, back to your original point, it’s probably fruitless moving him on, because under this regime, we’re ****ed. 

[Mark]

2 hours ago, JimJams said:

People moan about Ayew, Vestergaard, DCR, Skipp and others being in the side, so kick out a couple of them.  Then what?   

Sell/release/loan them. Or just keep going round in circles trying things that don't and won't work, failing to stop this fall down the leagues

[lcfc043]

Feels like an abusive relationship. One good game to draw you back in then back to the same old shit 

[JimJams]

4 minutes ago, Mark said:

Sell/release/loan them. Or just keep going round in circles trying things that don't and won't work, failing to stop this fall down the leagues

The point was Mark, that we can't just have someone come in and shout a bit and sideline half the squad.  We won't have anyone to play.

[Mark]

7 minutes ago, JimJams said:

The point was Mark, that we can't just have someone come in and shout a bit and sideline half the squad.  We won't have anyone to play.

I know we had a better squad but Maresca came in after relegation and sidelined players he didn't want or had no intention to play like Thomas, Kristensen, Soumare. We're back here again after relegation but are just carrying on the same, some of these players have relegated us twice and clearly have awful weak mentality but we just carry on and even extend contracts when there's a way out. We're a lost cause.

[Clogger_]

2 minutes ago, Mark said:

I know we had a better squad but Maresca came in after relegation and sidelined players he didn't want or had no intention to play like Thomas, Kristensen, Soumare. We're back here again after relegation but are just carrying on the same, some of these players have relegated us twice and clearly have awful weak mentality but we just carry on and even extend contracts when there's a way out. We're a lost cause.

The contract extensions killed us

[VLC86]

1 hour ago, winteriscoming said:

There’s nothing positive from him. 
Hasn’t improved 1 player. 
Zero tactical awareness. 
Clueless in game management. 
Won’t give young players a go instead relies on shit experienced players. 
Yes he’s been dealt a dreadful hand but he really doesn’t help himself. 

Harsh, he’s improved Wout.

[ceebeefox]

Marti out, and stop appointing coaches to manage. Get an old school manager in with a young innovative coach under him, do away with an expensive DOF ( if their job has been to set a style of play it ain’t working.) and work directly with recruiters, these coaches get pellets for signings they didn’t make! MON did well at Celtic for instance and he ran this club from top to bottom when he was here like Pearson. Top and co won’t admit it but that’s what they, and the club needs. Marti is very very poor but I’m guessing he was also very very cheap. Cut out the middleman.

[Bayfox]

2 minutes ago, ceebeefox said:

Marti out, and stop appointing coaches to manage. Get an old school manager in with a young innovative coach under him, do away with an expensive DOF ( if their job has been to set a style of play it ain’t working.) and work directly with recruiters, these coaches get pellets for signings they didn’t make! MON did well at Celtic for instance and he ran this club from top to bottom when he was here like Pearson. Top and co won’t admit it but that’s what they, and the club needs. Marti is very very poor but I’m guessing he was also very very cheap. Cut out the middleman.

Needs to happen but won't until Rudkin is gone. A strong NP type approach with rule from top to bottom of the playing side is what's needed but not a chance it happens why Rudkin still has the owners ear. Self preservation 

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

There should probably be two schools of thought after todays insipid performance…

 

1.) We’re awful, is Marti the man to get us at least 25 points to get us through this horrible season (that would take us to 56 - so the magic 50 minus 6)?
 

2.) But also rather bizarrely, has he actually done quite well to get us to 31 points at this stage of the season with this horrible, totally unbalanced squad - given it feels like our next 10 point haul will be a long haul affair.
 

I can’t see Marti staying in post much longer if performances like today continue, but equally I’m not convinced we have the right personnel to significantly alter the direction of our season.

What a load of old bollocks.

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

2 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Has Marti done any better? At an inferior level? 

Fair point. How would RVN done is difficult to quantify there wouldn’t have been much in it 

[Freeman's Wharfer]

He’s not the biggest problem at the club right now, but he’s still a problem.

 

Some unforgivable mistakes for me:

 

1) Took far too long to see that the likes of Faes and Soumare would continuously disappoint.

 

2) Occasions on which we’ve been dead and buried at half time he’s failed to make any substitutions. Line ups like today the following week with minimal changes. What does that say in terms of standards and accountability?

 

3) Said he’d give youth a chance but fails to give the likes of Evans, Page and Monga enough minutes. Case in point, 45 minutes for Page at Loftus Road last Saturday is worth far more to us as a club than another 45 minutes for Decordova-Reid.

 

4) Nelson and Alves were two of the brightest prospects in our squad in the summer. He shelved both. Now realising his mistake on one but the other is out of the club and suffering a bad injury.

 

5) Keeps talking about his style being to go and get the next goal but shows zero evidence of this approach on the pitch. Games like Wrexham at home where we sat on a 1-goal lead and messed it up.

 

He’s had his hands tied in many regards but things like the above are well within his control and he’s fallen short.

 

He should go. He won’t, because we can’t afford it. What does that say about how dire the financial situation is and how little foresight and planning there was to insert a clause that made a sacking feasible if needed? We’ve been here before and we’ll be here again until there are changes at the top of the club.

[Chelmofox]

After Okoli got injured the bloke could barely run. There was one point at about 75 mins in where everyone was tracking back and Okoli was running like my father in law.

 

Okoli then proceeded to do one of the worst back passes i have ever seen that got Jakub absolutely clattered. 

 

Kept him on of course - its like he is not even watching the game. Bet we find out Okoli is out for 3 months after that.

 

Get him gone.

[Kasey Keller]

He won’t get the bullet until Cheltenham turn us over.

[Collymore]

Could go down as the worst manager in our history. 

[foxile5]

1 hour ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

He’s not the biggest problem at the club right now, but he’s still a problem.

 

Some unforgivable mistakes for me:

 

1) Took far too long to see that the likes of Faes and Soumare would continuously disappoint.

 

2) Occasions on which we’ve been dead and buried at half time he’s failed to make any substitutions. Line ups like today the following week with minimal changes. What does that say in terms of standards and accountability?

 

3) Said he’d give youth a chance but fails to give the likes of Evans, Page and Monga enough minutes. Case in point, 45 minutes for Page at Loftus Road last Saturday is worth far more to us as a club than another 45 minutes for Decordova-Reid.

 

4) Nelson and Alves were two of the brightest prospects in our squad in the summer. He shelved both. Now realising his mistake on one but the other is out of the club and suffering a bad injury.

 

5) Keeps talking about his style being to go and get the next goal but shows zero evidence of this approach on the pitch. Games like Wrexham at home where we sat on a 1-goal lead and messed it up.

 

He’s had his hands tied in many regards but things like the above are well within his control and he’s fallen short.

 

He should go. He won’t, because we can’t afford it. What does that say about how dire the financial situation is and how little foresight and planning there was to insert a clause that made a sacking feasible if needed? We’ve been here before and we’ll be here again until there are changes at the top of the club.

Bang on. Particularly point one. I said this after his very first game.

 

Claimed to know the club but starting those two - and Winks - demonstrated a lack of understanding and awareness that he hasn't recovered from. 

[cruzFOX]

So far we’ve heard from Marti the players are not physically prepared than not mentally prepared and today they are not emotionally prepared. Well WTF kind of preparation do they work in all week in training. How can a team lose the plot every game so easily?

is it all down to a crisis of confidence?

I can see Jacob showing that and he’s stuck in a downward spiral like ward was in Rogers relegation season. He’s consistently making errors which is a major red flag!

why are certain players ‘switching off’ at critical moments in dangerous parts of the field? Why are they so vulnerable? What’s happened to them? Is it pressure?

I’m just not getting enough out of Marti’s interviews to have any empathy for him. 
we are in serious trouble! Alarm bells should be ringing everyday at the KP and Seagrave ie all hands on deck but there all looking like dead in the headlights