League One - Who manages us?

[Babylon]

7 hours ago, dmayne7 said:

Well that's just not true. Basically every L1/L2 club has down their retained list which is understandable as the decision to keep players is a bit more straightforward, but something like 18 championship clubs have done theirs. We've famously not even done retained lists in the past. No point getting wound up about it but yet another organisational failure.

 

Any statement now would probably incite more angst but that's only because they've said nothing as per usual. The only scenario where the silence is justified is that they offered Rowett the job in the first week or so and they're waiting on him to make a decision. No other reason makes sense.

 

Personally I'd rather they just focused on getting a manager/team in place that can deliver success, regardless of the financial implications. You're right in that they won't have planned for it, but do you really think 2 months is going to be enough for these clowns to devise a robust plan to manage things financially? They couldn't do it if they were given 2 years.

 

Ultimately, these issues are just repeated failures so at this stage, little point getting overly emotional about it. But to almost suggest that it shouldn't cause some frustration because it's how it's always been/currently is, is wrong.

Well it is true, we aren’t other clubs and we’ve not released them anywhere near this early for a long time. 
 

25/26 - 28th May

24/25 - 10th June

23/24 -5th June

All clubs have to post realised lists to the leagues by a certain date. So that’s utter nonsense also that we’ve not released one. 

 

[CarolinaFox]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

Also the City Group thing is a red herring. None of their satellite clubs have had great success. Man City don’t need to be overly analytic with recruitment of players or managers.
 

None of their satellite clubs have shown great success in identifying players and managers which can either play for City or be sold for big money. 

 

If you compare that to say Bloom at Brighton and see the impact on Union SG and Hearts. That’s proper good work and use of an analytic approach  

Its not a red herring if it explains what they are most likely doing right now. The Athletic has run several pieces in the past where its called City Group the most sophisticated data‑driven football operation in the world. Look its one thing to not like a perspective, its the other to straw man it by saying its a red herring. City group is hugely data driven, and McCarron came from that environment. I think its more than plausible to believe this is why there is a delay. When you say we're just wasting time and every second is wasted you're reacting to the discomfort of not knowing, but you have no concrete evidence to PROVE people at the club are doing nothing. When he was hired, many posters on here suggested that McCarron was brought in for his association with City Group, and they way they operate is data first, add in a total rebuild and its makes more sense why we don't have a manager in place. At the end of the day I don't need you to like my perspective, but its a valid reason why we don't have a manager.  

[CruzNoir]

1 hour ago, CarolinaFox said:

McCarron comes from city group, they use a slower, data-driven process . His job is to literally rebuild the club's playing philosophy from the ground up, identify who needs to stay, who goes, identifying recruitment profiles for league one players, thinking long term about club success and then appointing a manager who can get the job done. He won't be hiring a manager to impose a system on the club, he will be hiring a manager who fits the system he wants, with the player profiles he believes we need to make that system work. And that takes time to get right - to really unpack the data and make decisions. Clubs like Bournemouth have an identity, and a recruitment strategy that's been working, we don't. So its easier for them to make faster decisions and have replacement managers in place: they aren't reinventing their playing identity. McCarron won't be hiring a manager based on vibes or on name recognition. I actually think McCarron's the first real sensible person in our club to get us out of the mess we've been in the last few seasons: hiring on vibes (Ruud) or impulse (Cooper). I totally get the frustration: we don't have time to waste, sure. We also don't have the money to waste on a poor fit, and I'd rather the club take its time to get this right than us start off this season poorly. This is such a big season for us, we need to get this right. 

Bingo

 

regardless too people’s understandable frustration with radio silence from our Club, mine also included but what’s new, I’m hearing noises from Seagrave that McCarron is working tirelessly on our rebuild and is working around the clock sourcing the most suitable candidate possible for a “must bounce back” season that we require, along with all the other mess he has too sort out in recruitment, contracts, player analysis, academy etc etc

 

I’ve also heard he’s eager too address the fans but not until he’s found a manager too go with his vision which kind of makes sense if true, what’s he going too say without a manager yet?? “I’m delighted too be hear, it’s a challenge that excites, I want too help turn the ship” bla bla bla

 

From what I’m hearing about him I’m genuinely excited for what’s too come and Im open to having my heart broken again but that’s football right?

[winteriscoming]

1 minute ago, CruzNoir said:

Bingo

 

regardless too people’s understandable frustration with radio silence from our Club, mine also included but what’s new, I’m hearing noises from Seagrave that McCarron is working tirelessly on our rebuild and is working around the clock sourcing the most suitable candidate possible for a “must bounce back” season that we require, along with all the other mess he has too sort out in recruitment, contracts, player analysis, academy etc etc

 

I’ve also heard he’s eager too address the fans but not until he’s found a manager too go with his vision which kind of makes sense if true, what’s he going too say without a manager yet?? “I’m delighted too be hear, it’s a challenge that excites, I want too help turn the ship” bla bla bla

 

From what I’m hearing about him I’m genuinely excited for what’s too come and Im open to having my heart broken again but that’s football right?

It’s gonna be very depressing when we announce Russell Martin as manager in a few weeks time. 

[CosbehFox]

26 minutes ago, CarolinaFox said:

It’s not a red herring if it explains what they are most likely doing right now. The Athletic has run several pieces in the past where it’s called City Group the most sophisticated data‑driven football operation in the world. Look its one thing to not like a perspective, its the other to straw man it by saying its a red herring. City group is hugely data driven, and McCarron came from that environment. I think it’s more than plausible to believe this is why there is a delay. When you say we're just wasting time and every second is wasted you're reacting to the discomfort of not knowing, but you have no concrete evidence to PROVE people at the club are doing nothing. When he was hired, many posters on here suggested that McCarron was brought in for his association with City Group, and they way they operate is data first, add in a total rebuild and its makes more sense why we don't have a manager in place. At the end of the day I don't need you to like my perspective, but it’s a valid reason why we don't have a manager.  

A lot of word salad - the concrete evidence is the collective five years of similar experiences. Bear in mind every decision has to go through Top, everyone can work their arses off but until the chairman says yes or no, it’s just in activity. 

 

Im calling it a red herring because I’m looking at the City Group satellite clubs and none of have any success. Very few players have left those satellite clubs to become better and transfer value high players elsewhere. Wheres the proof that their data is successful? Manchester City can pick and choose who they want to sign, they don’t need a complex system to find value. 
 

I’m looking at clubs where that data driven decision making is important. Troyes, Girona (less than 50%), Lommel United and Palermo who aren’t really pulling up any trees rsther being yo yo clubs. They aren’t achieving like Bloom’s collection of clubs for example. 

Edited 22 May by CosbehFox

[Shane]

Pep Lijnders is leaving Man City

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, CruzNoir said:

Bingo

 

regardless too people’s understandable frustration with radio silence from our Club, mine also included but what’s new, I’m hearing noises from Seagrave that McCarron is working tirelessly on our rebuild and is working around the clock sourcing the most suitable candidate possible for a “must bounce back” season that we require, along with all the other mess he has too sort out in recruitment, contracts, player analysis, academy etc etc

 

I’ve also heard he’s eager too address the fans but not until he’s found a manager too go with his vision which kind of makes sense if true, what’s he going too say without a manager yet?? “I’m delighted too be hear, it’s a challenge that excites, I want too help turn the ship” bla bla bla

 

From what I’m hearing about him I’m genuinely excited for what’s too come and Im open to having my heart broken again but that’s football right?

McCarron might be working his bollocks off. Your problem is that you have an owner who turns up every two to three months and wants complete autonomy on everything. 
 

I’ve heard it first hand from club staff of their frustration of his sporadic attendance 

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Reg Vardy said:

Just an observation reference Bournemouth, Premier League, possibly Europe, great squad, as opposed to, League One, unknown squad of players, And the Vertu(?) trophy…..

Hartlepool United and Northampton Town have sacked and got new appointments in position over the period we’ve been relegated to now 

[Sankey93]

15 minutes ago, Shane said:

Pep Lijnders is leaving Man City

Hmmm I thought the exact same thing earlier could he be tempted to come to league 1 ?

[adamkhalifa]

2 hours ago, CarolinaFox said:

McCarron comes from city group, they use a slower, data-driven process . His job is to literally rebuild the club's playing philosophy from the ground up, identify who needs to stay, who goes, identifying recruitment profiles for league one players, thinking long term about club success and then appointing a manager who can get the job done. He won't be hiring a manager to impose a system on the club, he will be hiring a manager who fits the system he wants, with the player profiles he believes we need to make that system work. And that takes time to get right - to really unpack the data and make decisions. Clubs like Bournemouth have an identity, and a recruitment strategy that's been working, we don't. So its easier for them to make faster decisions and have replacement managers in place: they aren't reinventing their playing identity. McCarron won't be hiring a manager based on vibes or on name recognition. I actually think McCarron's the first real sensible person in our club to get us out of the mess we've been in the last few seasons: hiring on vibes (Ruud) or impulse (Cooper). I totally get the frustration: we don't have time to waste, sure. We also don't have the money to waste on a poor fit, and I'd rather the club take its time to get this right than us start off this season poorly. This is such a big season for us, we need to get this right. 

I hope he is taking time to understand that we are in the 3rd tier of English football, and works to play the league. And not try to romance their way into thinking Pepball is the only way to play football. I hope he is a sensible appointment, but judgment should be reserved when it gets implemented and we see tangible results. I mean, just by law of averages. We are due a right decision. 

[l444ry]

Would take Eckert from Southampton if he gets the boot. Might be the first signing worth a crack from all the others we've raided them for. 

[CruzNoir]

1 hour ago, CosbehFox said:

McCarron might be working his bollocks off. Your problem is that you have an owner who turns up every two to three months and wants complete autonomy on everything. 
 

I’ve heard it first hand from club staff of their frustration of his sporadic attendance 

I’ve heard the same first hand frustrations from the staff too mate regarding the owner.
 

People want proof in the pudding, that Top is angling at changing, or more realistically, too sod off all together (mainly because he’s kept Rudkin) the latter is not happening.

 

The trope is McCarron is going too be Rudkins fall guy, rather than actually, he’s going too be Tops much needed new guy, the high flying City Group fella who was no doubt on a wedge in his position at CFG, and was nonetheless sourced out by Top as someone that might have something about them too run the show whilst at the same time being able too appease his loyalty too Rudkin assigning him the overseer of multiple projects rather the predominantly men’s first team chief disaster designer, he’s moved Ruskin away I’m hoping too allow this young lad McCarron who’s got something about him within the CFG Group.

 

Not too give too much away about my feelings on McCarron but a friend of mines wife who has worked closely alongside Simon Timson, the guy who was essentially the architect behind Team GB’s highly successful 2016 Olympics and now a Director at CFG, has said McCarron was CFG’s up and coming far and away high flying Director, tipped as a potential future sporting director & even Global Director of all football operations at CFG! But with those positions currently well secured, perhaps a point too prove himself in the mean time here with us was a challenge worth taking? 
 

we hear a about academy players potential at such young ages, McCarron’s only 38 which is incredibly young for his position, perhaps we are his “loan” option at a better level than Lommel too test his minerals, a risk on his part granted but all that said……if all true above, he’s come in so he’s just going too be pushed over by Rudkin? And Top after securing him from CFG is just not going too listen to him??

 

Proof is in the pudding, with his assignment I feel some hope all being considered 

Edited 22 May by CruzNoir

[ClaphamFox]

3 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

The last two summers we didn’t make an appointment until the second half of the off season. 

 

Quality certainly wasn’t present in either of those two choices.
 

So why as a set of fans are being asked to considered that for the third time in a row, we remain patient on the promise of a quality appointment, you can see where the annoyance is occurring again? 
 

Pardon me for thinking that after quite simply the worst season ever, the grave financial implications, and the promise of communication. And even that they knew this scenario was a very real possibility back in February when they appointed Rowett to the end of the season. That the football club might realise that planning the contingency of next season starts back in February/March. Not hanging around until something crops that might be of interest. Hence why I strongly believe the recruitment is mostly likely agent led again. 

The problem with the last two appointments wasn’t simply that they happened later in the summer—it was that the club made bad choices. Rushing into another appointment now just to prove we’re “doing something” doesn’t suddenly make the decision-making better.

 

We’ve just been relegated to League One, we’ve got financial issues hanging over us, and the football calendar hasn’t even finished yet. A lot of managers and coaches are still working, waiting on play-offs, or assessing their own situations. If we genuinely want the best candidate possible rather than the first available one, that process is likely to to take time. 

 

The whole point of recruiting McCarron is presumably to move away from reactive, agent-led recruitment and towards a more data-led, strategic process. It would be bizarre to hire a new Sporting Director and then expect him to rubber-stamp the first name that becomes available in May. Rushing to appoint quickly now might give the impression of doing things differently, but it would significantly raise the odds of us appointing another flop who we have to sack a couple of months into the season. 

 

You could be right. It's possible that we'll be here in early July reflecting on a tortuous recruitment process that ended in yet another uninspiring appointment. But we might not be. As McCarron has just started, I'm inclined to wait and see rather than dismiss him as useless simply because we haven't appointed a manager before the end of May.

[Wymsey]

Reckon it's someone with good links to/decent record in youth development.

[Steve Earle]

4 hours ago, CarolinaFox said:

McCarron comes from city group, they use a slower, data-driven process . His job is to literally rebuild the club's playing philosophy from the ground up, identify who needs to stay, who goes, identifying recruitment profiles for league one players, thinking long term about club success and then appointing a manager who can get the job done. He won't be hiring a manager to impose a system on the club, he will be hiring a manager who fits the system he wants, with the player profiles he believes we need to make that system work. And that takes time to get right - to really unpack the data and make decisions. Clubs like Bournemouth have an identity, and a recruitment strategy that's been working, we don't. So its easier for them to make faster decisions and have replacement managers in place: they aren't reinventing their playing identity. McCarron won't be hiring a manager based on vibes or on name recognition. I actually think McCarron's the first real sensible person in our club to get us out of the mess we've been in the last few seasons: hiring on vibes (Ruud) or impulse (Cooper). I totally get the frustration: we don't have time to waste, sure. We also don't have the money to waste on a poor fit, and I'd rather the club take its time to get this right than us start off this season poorly. This is such a big season for us, we need to get this right. 

This is of course right. 👏

 

May I introduce you @CarolinaFox to paragraphs?
 

 

[Ian Nacho]

Doubt we'll be hearing anything until late June. 

[Vindaloo FOX]

4 hours ago, winteriscoming said:

It’s gonna be very depressing when we announce Russell Martin as manager in a few weeks time. 

Off to Watford I'm hearing, hopefully 

[CarolinaFox]

7 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

A lot of word salad - the concrete evidence is the collective five years of similar experiences. Bear in mind every decision has to go through Top, everyone can work their arses off but until the chairman says yes or no, it’s just in activity. 

 

Im calling it a red herring because I’m looking at the City Group satellite clubs and none of have any success. Very few players have left those satellite clubs to become better and transfer value high players elsewhere. Wheres the proof that their data is successful? Manchester City can pick and choose who they want to sign, they don’t need a complex system to find value. 
 

I’m looking at clubs where that data driven decision making is important. Troyes, Girona (less than 50%), Lommel United and Palermo who aren’t really pulling up any trees rsther being yo yo clubs. They aren’t achieving like Bloom’s collection of clubs for example. 

I think you've lost the plot here. We're talking about WHY there isn't a manager in place, not about the success of the City Group's approach. Citing McCarron's background is about contextualizing how a managerial decision is made by someone who has worked in that set up and why its not unusual for them to take their time. 

 

 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

8 hours ago, CruzNoir said:

I’ve heard the same first hand frustrations from the staff too mate regarding the owner.
 

People want proof in the pudding, that Top is angling at changing, or more realistically, too sod off all together (mainly because he’s kept Rudkin) the latter is not happening.

 

The trope is McCarron is going too be Rudkins fall guy, rather than actually, he’s going too be Tops much needed new guy, the high flying City Group fella who was no doubt on a wedge in his position at CFG, and was nonetheless sourced out by Top as someone that might have something about them too run the show whilst at the same time being able too appease his loyalty too Rudkin assigning him the overseer of multiple projects rather the predominantly men’s first team chief disaster designer, he’s moved Ruskin away I’m hoping too allow this young lad McCarron who’s got something about him within the CFG Group.

 

Not too give too much away about my feelings on McCarron but a friend of mines wife who has worked closely alongside Simon Timson, the guy who was essentially the architect behind Team GB’s highly successful 2016 Olympics and now a Director at CFG, has said McCarron was CFG’s up and coming far and away high flying Director, tipped as a potential future sporting director & even Global Director of all football operations at CFG! But with those positions currently well secured, perhaps a point too prove himself in the mean time here with us was a challenge worth taking? 
 

we hear a about academy players potential at such young ages, McCarron’s only 38 which is incredibly young for his position, perhaps we are his “loan” option at a better level than Lommel too test his minerals, a risk on his part granted but all that said……if all true above, he’s come in so he’s just going too be pushed over by Rudkin? And Top after securing him from CFG is just not going too listen to him??

 

Proof is in the pudding, with his assignment I feel some hope all being considered 

 

*To

[ClaphamFox]

6 hours ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

Off to Watford I'm hearing, hopefully 

 

[LVFox]

11 hours ago, Sankey93 said:

Hmmm I thought the exact same thing earlier could he be tempted to come to league 1 ?

If he wants a career as a head coach then probably, made an almighty mess of the Salzburg job - but would probably get a lot out of our situation, youth team and training facilities.

[teblin]

As much as I’m not a fan of Martin, I don’t think we get relegated with him in charge last season.

[Spanner73]

12 hours ago, CruzNoir said:

Bingo

 

regardless too people’s understandable frustration with radio silence from our Club, mine also included but what’s new, I’m hearing noises from Seagrave that McCarron is working tirelessly on our rebuild and is working around the clock sourcing the most suitable candidate possible for a “must bounce back” season that we require, along with all the other mess he has too sort out in recruitment, contracts, player analysis, academy etc etc

 

I’ve also heard he’s eager too address the fans but not until he’s found a manager too go with his vision which kind of makes sense if true, what’s he going too say without a manager yet?? “I’m delighted too be hear, it’s a challenge that excites, I want too help turn the ship” bla bla bla

 

From what I’m hearing about him I’m genuinely excited for what’s too come and Im open to having my heart broken again but that’s football right?

That’s like hearing from a manager that’s lost  99 consecutive football matches in a row telling his players that it’ll be different the next time they play !! 
 

Call me cynical, glass half empty I just don’t ever believe that this football club will ever be run properly whilst Aiyawatt is here !! 
 

So I don’t believe the above whatsoever ! 

[Chelmofox]

1 hour ago, teblin said:

As much as I’m not a fan of Martin, I don’t think we get relegated with him in charge last season.

Maybe. 

 

Remember though that he is more of a play out the back merchant than any of the pep clones (Enzo included). Part of me wants to see his his Leicester team playing Brussell ball with Okoli, Vestergaard and Jakub. I think when out heads dropped we would have had some serious pastings.

Edited 23 May by Chelmofox

[Pliskin]

The biggest issue with this “reshuffle”, is, it’s all well and good appointing a well thought of young person to rebuild the club, but the main problems are still here, John Rudkin and Top, both of which are incompetent and incapable of running the football club. I just fear McCarron’s work will be futile, as neither Top or Rudkin will work with him. I imagine it will be a bit like Mike Bassett slipping notes under the door, and they never get read. 
 

I fear he will simply get frustrated and leave. 
 

Every good part of the operation has left under Top and Rudkins watch, which doesn’t fill me with any confidence at all. 

Edited 23 May by Pliskin