Is football broken?

[old koppite]

Yes 

[PhillippaT]

49 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Glad we won stuff before it really took a nose dive. 

That was almost certainly part of the cause - because they didn't want it happening again...

[LCFCCHRIS]

48 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Are there many clubs that offer incentivised contracts? Obviously we aren't very good at this stuff but are our contracts massively dissimilar to other clubs of our size? Do we pay what we need to try and compete?

We need to be trailblazers in this as part of our (hopeful) rebuild. Let the world know we are the club that is for players that back themselves. Lower base pay but massive upsides for promotions, goal contributions etc 

[21st Century Fox]

1 hour ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

 

The reason our lot are so half-arsed is because our contracts aren't incentivised enough. If you've got a guaranteed fortune just for turning up, why do more?

 

We've essentially ran the club like WCW the past five years.

Rudkin > Bischoff

[TheLittleBigMan]

The bubble has burst. 

[It'sblueupnorth]

3 hours ago, PhillippaT said:

That was almost certainly part of the cause - because they didn't want it happening again...

Do people actually still believe this

[Wymsey]

5 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Yes.

 

Next question.

How long is a piece of string?..

[GraceRoader]

5 hours ago, ALC Fox said:

One thing to add is Marinakis supposedly relinquishing control of Forest again in case they win the Europa League and qualify for the Champions League, allowing both them and Olympiakos to both compete in the tournament if that eventuality occurs.

 

Regardless of whether what he's done complies with the laws of the game, if he can repeatedly make remove and reinstall himself into a position of control, surely that proves he's the man in charge all along?

In the meantime, I'm sure that a call from Greece telling folk what to do will be met with the response 'piss off fatso you're not in charge.'

Edited 22 April by GraceRoader

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 hours ago, Wymsey said:

How long is a piece of string?..

No.

 

He's a Chinaman.

 

 Next question.

[Officer Doofy]

Football at the top level only survived because of the junkie followers who can't admit to themselves that it's shit and bad for them. 

 

I would say football fans are the wettest, easily manipulated group of customers on planet earth (Definitely in the UK) 

 

If they could go to rehab then the whole thing would come tumbling down over night. 

Edited 23 April by Officer Doofy

[Stuntman_Mike]

Football has it's problems, but I'd say it's mainly just being amplified by our demise.

 

If we had a club that was fun to support it would still be good.

 

We've got Lincoln in the champ after 60 years, Bromley going up, Wrexham with a chance of 4 promotions in a row, Spurs could go down. Even worse Cov went up after 25 years and Forest could win a European cup (). It's as entertaining as ever.

 

I feel the issue with atmosphere, tourist fans and pricing will eventually correct itself. Football certainly isn't broken in non league anyways.

 

 

Edited 23 April by Stuntman_Mike

[davieG]

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Football throws up some strange situations, but this one from the Dutch second division might be the most bizarre of the lot. FC Den Bosch need to lose their final game of the season against ADO Den Haag to give themselves a chance of reaching the promotion play-offs.

Yes, you read that right. Losing is their best option. Winning could actually end their season.

The explanation comes down to the Dutch league's complicated "period title" system. The second division season is split into periods, and winning a period earns a club a ticket to the promotion play-offs. ADO Den Haag have already secured a play-off spot through the system. If ADO finish in the top two of the current period as well, their spare ticket would trickle down through the overall league table to the highest-ranked team that doesn't already have a play-off place. That team is Den Bosch.

So if ADO do well in this final period, Den Bosch qualify through the back door without needing to do anything other than wait.

The problem is what happens if Den Bosch win. A Den Bosch victory over ADO could help rival club Vitesse overtake ADO in the period standings. If Vitesse claim that period spot directly instead of ADO, then there is no spare ticket to trickle down. Den Bosch's back-door entry disappears and their season is over.

In short, Den Bosch beating ADO could hand Vitesse the very play-off place that would otherwise fall to Den Bosch. The best thing Den Bosch can do for their own promotion hopes is make sure ADO finish as high as possible in the period table, and the simplest way to do that is to let ADO beat them.

It's the kind of scenario that sounds like it was dreamed up by someone who has never watched a football match in their life. A club actively needing to lose to give themselves the best chance of going up. You couldn't write it.

The system has been criticised in the Netherlands for creating exactly these kinds of absurd situations, where competitive integrity is undermined by the format itself. Whether Den Bosch will genuinely try to lose, play a weakened team, or just go out and play normally knowing the maths is against them if they win, remains to be seen.

[Sampson]

It’s just like anything in late stage capitalism mixed with the age of social media - it always eventually leads to being all about the money which eventually leads to oligarchy where a small number of people have the majority of the money and soft power. It’s no longer about going to have a fun day out with your friends or family on a Saturday.

 

It’s just a mirror of society and economy becoming broken in general since 2008.

[coolhandfox]

Its a reflection of the world we live in.

 

[Stadt]

If our owner wasn't complete idiot this sentiment wouldn't be felt so strongly.

 

Lots of people wanted VAR and more financial regulations and this is the net result, I'd rather scrap all of it - let clubs spend what they want, the rules have hardly made clubs act sustainably. Instead they've just spent more swapping youth players, selling training grounds and on legal fees. Resetting to say, the rules in places as of 2018 would make the sport less of a procedural drama.

 

There's plenty of thing that sa e f ucked and should be improved but focusing on a wider narrative of 'football bad now' lets our retards off the hook

[Oldblueyes]

Football has become too sanitised and over analysed. Goals being disallowed for offisde because a player didn't cut his toe nails that day.

Referees having to be over ruled by somebody sitting in a room 100s of miles away. Coaches making players go down supposedly injured so he can gather his team around and give them a ten minute  powerpoint presentation on tactics.

Fans being stopped from going to the occasional  matches due to difficult point achieving schemes. Stewards ejecting fans because a happy clapper says somebody didn't clap at the right time.

Transport timetables not contusive to late evening kickoffs (SKY), with games still being played into the very late evening due to 10 to 15 minuets of added extra time.

I am just a silly old bugger, so I won't go on.........

Edited 23 April by Oldblueyes
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[Sly]

For a multi billion pound sport, it’s run like a corner shop. 
 

Finances - Corrupt and all over the place, money has distorted the sport. The rules are messy, inconsistent and breaches are applied as-hoc with no rhyme or reason.
 

Academies - Clubs like Man City, Chelsea, PSG etc stockpiling talent. Stealing revenue from smaller clubs.
 

Broadcasters - Games are being moved left, right and centre to suit “customers” not fans. It’s a massive inconvenience to fans. Kickoff changes are all over the place.

 

VAR / Officiating - This is all over the shop. It’s a mess and the fact we are still debating challenges as the rules are ambiguous. 
 

Fan Disconnect - This is massive. Your typical fan can not relate to your average footballer in the slightest.

 

No club is entitled to be in the Premier League. 
However everyone deserves a chance.

Under the current rules, no one gets a chance to achieve what we did. 

 

[PhillippaT]

16 hours ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

Do people actually still believe this

Beleive? It's a known fact based on what was said and done by many afterwards.

[ScotFox1]

Is football broken?

I guess it depends where you look.. on Filbert Way.. YES!!

[grobyfox1990]

Multi billion dollar industry is corrupt. Hold the front page. But seriously, define broken. It's a great money laundering exercise and billionaire play thing at the top level.

[ourla]

I think you have to divorce our current shit show from the broader state of the sport/world.

 

Truth be told I think the English Premier League is fantastic from an armchair perspective. I also have good friends who are Liverpool and Man City STH who seem very happy with what they get.

 

Must admit aside from City's win I haven't watched a Cup Final live for a long time but then it's the same with the Grand National.

 

And the early stages of the CL and WC are a bore - later stages still a good watch and interesting though.

 

I attended football in the 70's, 80's and I think some people forget how grim it could be. And if you we are talking of corruption - have we forgotten that infamous night against Atletico in 97.

[grobyfox1990]

8 hours ago, Officer Doofy said:

Football at the top level only survived because of the junkie followers who can't admit to themselves that it's shit and bad for them. 

 

I would say football fans are the wettest, easily manipulated group of customers on planet earth (Definitely in the UK) 

 

If they could go to rehab then the whole thing would come tumbling down over night. 

Do UK fans make a difference to these clubs? Stadiums are mainly built for corporate and holding other events. The overseas TV and media contracts seem to eclipse UK revenue. It appears all commercial revenue comes from abroad, I cannot think of one UK based sponsor in the PL.

I don't think the junkie followers make any difference, if they disappeared overnight it would not matter. Don't have any numbers to back this up tho.

[HitchinFox]

I saw the topic of this thread and thought it was one of our Zambian fans questioning why his stream had stopped working. 
 

[Fox92]

I just get bored of all the point deductions now or team A taking team B to court, everything about money

[JJD_LCFC]

Football is just not as entertaining now.

 

- obsession with possession stats rather than allowing players to play and showcase skills and attacking talent 

- VAR and the dreadful way it is operated. VAR itself is a great idea, if used by people who know what to do, and for clear and obvious errors not every decision

- every new rule change to help the top 6 sides. More subs, extra mins stoppage time, and profit and sustainability a joke

- top clubs can’t be punished yet every other club quick to do so. 
 

to top it all we are clueless as a club from top down. Certainly doesn’t help keep interest in football seeing how dire we are and players don’t care. I didn’t actually feel anything on relegation. Quite sad how little emotion involved after supporting the club 32 + years to feel nothing at all with this team.