Martin Out

[lfu]

Just now, FoxesFan100 said:

we are where we are

fvck off with that

We're in League 1 because of 5 years of mismanagement by Aiyawatt, Rudkin and the string of dogshit managers they've appointed. Russell Martin is not the answer to our problems.

[Happy Fox]

2 minutes ago, FoxesFan100 said:

I like the engagement, I thought what he said was true. We have been sh*t for a long time. We’ve had “fans” moaning and booing at every opportunity. 
 

The sooner fans realise that we are where we are and accept that we are “sh*t” maybe we can start pulling in the same direction and giving encouragement to the team the sooner we can get out. 

 

He's also contributing to the shitness though..

[FoxesFan100]

Just now, Happy Fox said:

 

He's also contributing to the shitness though..

He’s got to start somewhere to help us out of the mess. That work has started by getting rid of the “bad apples”. Let’s see where we’re at by the end of the January window and I hope we’ll be in a better place in the table. However that will only happen if the fans stop booing at every opportunity. 

[FoxesFan100]

5 minutes ago, lfu said:

fvck off with that

We're in League 1 because of 5 years of mismanagement by Aiyawatt, Rudkin and the string of dogshit managers they've appointed. Russell Martin is not the answer to our problems.

And that is the issue isn’t it. Years of mismanagement! Not really RM’s fault is it? He’s trying to sort this out but as you and I can probably agree, he’s fighting an uphill battle. 
 

So, my question to you is… who and how does this get fixed? 

[Wymsey]

38 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

I wonder how long the board will cling on before they pull the plug - there will be a tipping point, even for our buffoons. 

Reckon, unless performances/results get too negatively drastic, the owner is waiting for new owners to come in and do the managerial process themselves.

 

Susan Whelan used to interview candidates but obviously she has now left.

[Gamble92]

4 minutes ago, FoxesFan100 said:

And that is the issue isn’t it. Years of mismanagement! Not really RM’s fault is it? He’s trying to sort this out but as you and I can probably agree, he’s fighting an uphill battle. 
 

So, my question to you is… who and how does this get fixed? 

It’s also not the fans fault either. Pull your head out their arse

[Les-TA-Jon]

8 minutes ago, FoxesFan100 said:

I like the engagement, I thought what he said was true. We have been sh*t for a long time. We’ve had “fans” moaning and booing at every opportunity. 
 

The sooner fans realise that we are where we are and accept that we are “sh*t” maybe we can start pulling in the same direction and giving encouragement to the team the sooner we can get out. 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a new manager saying "We've/you've been shit for a long time" 

 

In fact, it's what we need; someone to come in, and hold the players, board and overall mentality of the club to account and to change standards - you can't do that unless you have the balls to recognise past failures up to this point. You can imagine Nigel Pearson would have done similar in 2008, right? 

 

The problem is that Martin is saying 1) without the results/changes to back it up and 2) as a self-defense mechanism.

[alex]

If only the interviewer, in answer to “what do you want” simply replied that what we ‘want’ is to win games of football. Games of football against Stevenage, Barnsley, Burton and Oxford.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by alex

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, FoxesFan100 said:

He’s got to start somewhere to help us out of the mess. That work has started by getting rid of the “bad apples”. Let’s see where we’re at by the end of the January window and I hope we’ll be in a better place in the table. However that will only happen if the fans stop booing at every opportunity. 

This level of delusion is crippling…….

 

Lets be clear about one thing here, Martin hasn’t got rid of the bad apples, the clubs recruitment team moved them on….. 

 

Where is this blind hope coming from we will be improve? Martins record is hideous…… we will not improve under him, he is a shit coach…….

Edited 8 hours ago by Pliskin

[Lloydy Dyer]

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Edited 10 hours ago by Lloydy Dyer
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[Lloydy Dyer]

10 minutes ago, FoxesFan100 said:

He’s got to start somewhere to help us out of the mess. That work has started by getting rid of the “bad apples”. Let’s see where we’re at by the end of the January window and I hope we’ll be in a better place in the table. However that will only happen if the fans stop booing at every opportunity. 

Completely agree.

I know people get abuse on here for suggesting we should support the team because of all the mismanagement over the past few years and we shouldn't support what the club has become, but honestly imagine being a player and just waiting to get booed at everything you do. We've got rid of the majority of the dross, RM has come in to try to do a job and we need to give some support. There comes a point where people need to understand that supporting the players at games (not the same thing as supporting the board) will genuinely have a positive impact on the team. The longer people complain and boo at every opportunity the worse it will just become on the pitch.

To be clear, supporting the team on the pitch does not mean agreeing with the KP or Rudkin. We can protest that in other ways. But one of the main reasons we did so well when we fought of relegation then won the prem was the atmosphere was so positive at every game. 

[FoxesFan100]

Just now, Gamble92 said:

It’s also not the fans fault either. Pull your head out their arse

My head isn’t up anyone’s arse, just trying to say that this isn’t RM’s fault when it started years ago with mismanagement. 
 

The thread is about RM not upper management and owners correct? Now, if it was about the owners then yes I would agree they need to be held accountable and that isn’t something that we’ve seen or heard. It’s shocking what’s happened to us over the past 5 years and something that shouldn’t have happened. 

[Les-TA-Jon]

6 minutes ago, FoxesFan100 said:

And that is the issue isn’t it. Years of mismanagement! Not really RM’s fault is it? He’s trying to sort this out but as you and I can probably agree, he’s fighting an uphill battle. 
 

So, my question to you is… who and how does this get fixed? 

Multiple things are true: 

1) the club is a mess and any manager will struggle under this ownership

2) the 'next manager' is always seen as some sort of panacea, but never can be because of the above and because:

3) the club enforce a style that doesn't work for our players/level

4) RM has underperformed given the level of backing and signings

[FoxesFan100]

1 minute ago, Lloydy Dyer said:

Completely agree.

I know people get abuse on here for suggesting we should support the team because of all the mismanagement over the past few years and we shouldn't support what the club has become, but honestly imagine being a player and just waiting to get booed at everything you do. We've got rid of the majority of the dross, RM has come in to try to do a job and we need to give some support. There comes a point where people need to understand that supporting the players at games (not the same thing as supporting the board) will genuinely have a positive impact on the team. The longer people complain and boo at every opportunity the worse it will just become on the pitch.

To be clear, supporting the team on the pitch does not mean agreeing with the KP or Rudkin. We can protest that in other ways. But one of the main reasons we did so well when we fought of relegation then won the prem was the atmosphere was so positive at every game. 

I feel like you’ve put my point and what I wanted to say much better than me. This is my feelings also. 

[foxfanazer]

Nobody is saying the club's where it is because of Russell Martin. That would be foolish. But he is inept at football management and serves as a harsh reminder of how far the club have fallen and are likely to fall even further 

[lfu]

7 minutes ago, FoxesFan100 said:

And that is the issue isn’t it. Years of mismanagement! Not really RM’s fault is it? He’s trying to sort this out but as you and I can probably agree, he’s fighting an uphill battle. 
 

So, my question to you is… who and how does this get fixed? 

His "trying to sort this out" is the same thing that got him sacked at Southampton and hounded out at Rangers. He's wedded to a dogmatic style of play that nullifies his players' strengths and amplifies their weaknesses. It doesn't matter that we've shifted some of the bad eggs because any manager could do that.

What's needed to stop the on-pitch rot is a pragmatic manager who doesn't double down on an impotent possession-at-all-costs approach that's laughably easy for opponents to defend against, and easy for them to score on the counter against.

Martin is just another symptom of Aiyawatt and Rudkin's pathetic "play like Man City" obsession when the only thing the three of them know about playing like Man City is that Guardiola teams liked to have the ball.

Dave Challinor is a name that's been brought up countless times before by others on this forum, because he has knowledge of League One, having reached the playoffs with Stockport and getting them promoted from the National League and League Two so he has a good track record at this level. He's a much more pragmatic, versatile and adaptable manager than Martin is; exactly the type of profile this club needs. 

[AjcW]

52 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Sackable offence for a bit of honesty? Do me a favour mate. Leicester City have been shit for ages. That is an absolute honest fact. 

We've all worked places where what we do or sell is shit.... would we get fired if we said that in an interview... yes, yes we would. 

It doesn't matter who knows it already, you don't say it. 

[FoxesFan100]

2 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Multiple things are true: 

1) the club is a mess and any manager will struggle under this ownership

2) the 'next manager' is always seen as some sort of panacea, but never can be because of the above and because:

3) the club enforce a style that doesn't work for our players/level

4) RM has underperformed given the level of backing and signings

All points are true. Point 4 is key here, we expected to be top and cruising this league, correct? Maybe that’s the issue, we aren’t that good at the moment and are having to rebuild and we need some fans to realise this. We have no given right to walk the league (see last year), it comes with hard work and all pulling in the same direction and trying to build that relationship with the fans. However that is hard to do with such a toxic environment, aim it at the owners but the players need encouragement. 

[LVFox]

Is it okay to think he’s absolutely bang on with what he says, that the fan is being ridiculous and that Martin is still the wrong guy?

 

cause that’s where I am

[FoxinNotts]

Because he's not had back-to-back wins yet, in all competitions, the pressure is really on him now.

 

He needs to win the next three Peterboro' (H), Doncaster (H), and Bromley (A). No excuses.

 

If they do this, a little more slack will be given to them. 

[MaidstoneFox]

So it's all about stats and not results.

 

I liked Pearson's response when he came here and was asked what type of football he would play. He said he'd play: "winning football".

[It'sblueupnorth]

18 minutes ago, Lloydy Dyer said:

Completely agree.

I know people get abuse on here for suggesting we should support the team because of all the mismanagement over the past few years and we shouldn't support what the club has become, but honestly imagine being a player and just waiting to get booed at everything you do. We've got rid of the majority of the dross, RM has come in to try to do a job and we need to give some support. There comes a point where people need to understand that supporting the players at games (not the same thing as supporting the board) will genuinely have a positive impact on the team. The longer people complain and boo at every opportunity the worse it will just become on the pitch.

To be clear, supporting the team on the pitch does not mean agreeing with the KP or Rudkin. We can protest that in other ways. But one of the main reasons we did so well when we fought of relegation then won the prem was the atmosphere was so positive at every game. 

Maybe don’t do things that warrant booing then?

[shen]

Just for context, here are some more standout OPTA stats for the league season so far. Bear in mind, Burton and Plymouth have played 9 games, while nine other clubs have played 8 games. Leicester have played 7.

Attacking: 
# Touches in box: 190 (ranked 8th) - 57 fewer than team ranked 1st (Stockport) and 82 more than team ranked 24th (Bromley)
# Hit post: 2 (ranked joint 11th) - 6 fewer than team ranked 1st (Stockport)

# Offsides: 8 (ranked joint 21st) - 23 fewer than team ranked 1st (Plymouth) and 2 more than team ranked 24th (Oxford U)
# Headed attempts: 14 (ranked joint 18th) - 32 fewer than team ranked 1st (Stockport) and 10 more than team ranked 24th (Oxford U)
# Headed goals: 1 (ranked joint 13th) - 6 fewer than team ranked 1st (Wycombe)
# Fast breaks: 2 (ranked 24th) - 1 fewer than team ranked 23rd (Luton) and 14 fewer than team ranked 1st (Huddersfield)

Goals vs xG: -0,89 (ranked 15th) - 7,35 fewer than team ranked 1st (Burton) and 6,52 more than team ranked 24th (P'boro) 

In brief: We make few runs/passes in behind and we get roughly the amount of goals we should from the chances created. We keep it on the deck and we have a lot of touches in the penalty box. We are very ponderous in possession, sacrificing counter attacks completely.
 

Set Pieces (can't be bothered to go through all of it): 

In brief: We've created 11 fewer shots than we've conceded from set pieces (1,90 xG for and 2,70 xG against) resulting in 1 goal scored and 1 conceded.
Indicates we're defending them reasonably well (ranked 2nd) while also being inefficient at the other end (ranked 23rd).
 

Defensive:

# Tackles: 89 (ranked 22nd) - 81 fewer than team ranked 1st (Burton)

Ground duels won: 52,5 % (ranked 3rd) - 4 % less than team ranked 1st (Stevenage)
# Interceptions: 36 (ranked 24th) - 13 fewer than the team ranked 23rd (Wigan) and 44 fewer than team ranked 1st (Burton)

# Recoveries: 323 (ranked 15th) - 70 more than team ranked last (Oxford U) and 119 fewer than team ranked 1st (Stockport)

# Blocks: 14 (ranked 24th) - 8 fewer than the team ranked 23rd (Stockport) and 36 fewer than team ranked 1st (MK Dons)
# Clearances: 159 (ranked 24th) - 30 fewer than the team ranked 23rd (Stockport) and 149 fewer than team ranked 1st (Wycombe)

Aerial duels won: 49,4 % (ranked 14th) - 8,8 % more than team ranked last (Notts) and 9,7% less than team ranked 1st (Stockport)
# Goals conceded from fast breaks: 4 (ranked joint 1st), although we've only conceded 9 fast breaks (joint 8th)

# Oppo hit post: 4 (joint 3rd) - 2 fewer than team ranked 1st (MK Dons & Cambridge)

Errors leading to shots: 9 (joint 1st) - 8 more than than team ranked 24th (Notts) but 0 errors leading to goals (

In brief: We are very vulnerable on the break and we make very few tackles or interceptions (probably explained by our very high possession rates), but are generally successful when we do make them. We are actually a bit fortunate that we haven't conceded more given the errors we've made at the back. We hardly make any clearances and we have been saved by the woodwork more than our fair share of times.
 

Passing: 

Average Possesion: 68,0 % (ranked 1st) - this is 9,6 % more than the team ranked 2nd (Stockport)
Passes attempted: 4286 (ranked 2nd) - 269 fewer than the team ranked 1st (Stockport)

Pass completion: 87 % (ranked 1st) - 0,9 % higher than team ranked 2nd (Stockport)
% Forward passes: 31,7 % (ranked 23rd) - 0,2 % more than team ranked 24th (Stockport) and 24,5 % less than team ranked 1st (Bromley)

% Backward passes: 16,9 % (ranked 19th) - 1,2 % less than team ranked 24th (Notts) and 3,2 % more than team ranked 1st (L Orient)
# crosses attempted: 96 (ranked 15th) - 79 fewer than team ranked 1st (Bradford) and 28 more than team ranked 24th (Oxford U)

% Successful crosses: 20,8 % (ranked 13th) - 8 % less than team ranked 1st (Stockport) and 8,6 % more than team ranked 24th (Burton)

Through balls: 13 (ranked joint 3rd) - 4 fewer than team ranked 1st (Huddersfield) and 12 more than team ranked 24th (Cambridge)
10+ pass sequences: 107 (ranked 2nd) - 17 fewer than team ranked 1st (Stockport) and 99 (!) more than team ranked 24th (Bromley)
Direct speed (forward meters per second of a sequence): 1,61 (ranked 2nd) - 0,07 more than team ranked 1st (Stockport) and 0,5 less than team ranked 24th (Bromley)
Passes per sequence: 4,48 (ranked 1st) - 0,26 more than team ranked 2nd (Stockport) and 2,76 more than team ranked 24th (Bromley)
Average sequence time: 11,29 seconds (ranked 1st) - 0,14 more than team ranked 2nd (Stockport) and 7,29 (!) more than team ranked 24th (Bromley)


In brief: We make loads of sideways and backwards passes, we don't make many crosses and we are far more careful with the ball than all other teams. We do make a few through balls, but this may also simply be by virtue of the volume of passes (0,35% of passes).

Pressing: 

# Pressing sequences: 71 (ranked 21st) - 58 fewer than team ranked 1st (Plymouth) and 12 more than team ranked 24th (Oxford U)

PPDA: 11,3 (ranked 7th) - 2,9 more than team ranked 1st (Oxford U) and 5,3 fewer than team ranked 24th (Wycombe)
High turnovers: 32 (ranked 23rd) - 41 fewer than team ranked 1st (Plymouth) and 2 more than team ranked 24th (Wigan)
% HT ending in shot: 31,25 % (ranked 1st) - 4,22 % more than team ranked 2nd (Sheff Wed) and 28,55 % more than team ranked 24th (Luton)

In brief: We don't engage in the high press very often, but when we do, we tend to be very efficient at creating a chance.
 

Edited 9 hours ago by shen

[Vindaloo FOX]

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He wants out 

[cropstonfox]

12 hours ago, Pita said:

Martin just not capable of getting anywhere near 90 points. The worst manager we had at Leicester 

I agree and I've seen mclintock and Taylor.

But you can justify their appointments. 

A top player and a city legend.and Taylor a forward thinking youth  International coach highly respected. Both terrible failures and destructive to the future at that time.

But Martin no justification for his recruitment .The worst possible appointment.What the flck are they thinking?