Leicestershire County Cricket Club

[Narborough Bod]

4 hours ago, everton carr said:

I remember back in the day along with many others slating the likes of Boyce New John Maunders etc they are world beaters compared to the likes of Harry bloody Dearden.

This, this, this...not forgetting Sadler. I also see The Gus Robson fan club have gone quiet too after this years fantastic scores of 16,0,64,9

Edited 17 September 2019 by Narborough Bod

[Cake]

Poor again today. Five batsmen out playing awful shots. I mean shots id have disappointed with 20 years ago. 

 

Parky, Dearden, Ali, Javid all young but rubbish. Just rubbish

 Parkinson bowls a full toss every over. 

 

Horton is a terrible captain and clearly past his best.  

 

Klein rubbish. Even if we have just 8 or 9 full time pros get rid of them. Now. 

 

We can look at the 2s and loans to boost the numbers. 

 

Asad, Cosgrove, Ackerman, Swindels, Hill (occasionally and is a good keeper)

Wright, Mike, Griffiths, Taylor, Davis and Lilley (never plays) the rest not good enough. Not even close to be honest. 

[Paninistickers]

On a wide note, I utterly deplore the ECB for their systematic slow torture of English county cricket. They believe the answer is to mimic the IPL and big bash. When, in fact, it's the opposite.

 

English cricket works best at a boozy new road, taunton and the one off grounds such as Arundel, Scarborough, Liverpool, Jesmond even. Marquees. Picnics. Booze. Playing on the outfield during breaks. 

 

Instead they've opted in for SKY and 8k crowds kicking about in 20k  test stadiums. And worse still this evil city based tournament

 

If the Sunday league was brought back into a regular league weekly structure, crowds would return. 

 

If the county championship was converted into a three day Thursday/Friday/Saturday format games might end with thrilling finishes

 

The ECB (and Agnew) like to blame Leicester, Derby and Northants for the county game's failings....when their decision to alienate the small.counties introduce centralised contracts and exclude terrestrial TV means that my kids wouldn't recognise Root, Stokes or any other player.......in contrast I was lucky enough as a youngster to watch down Grace Road Gower playing Botham, Willey bowling at Viv Richards, Nico verbally abusing Gooch, Alan Donald bowling at Phil Simmons

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[trabuch]

1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

On a wide note, I utterly deplore the ECB for their systematic slow torture of English county cricket. They believe the answer is to mimic the IPL and big bash. When, in fact, it's the opposite.

 

English cricket works best at a boozy new road, taunton and the one off grounds such as Arundel, Scarborough, Liverpool, Jesmond even. Marquees. Picnics. Booze. Playing on the outfield during breaks. 

 

Instead they've opted in for SKY and 8k crowds kicking about in 20k  test stadiums. And worse still this evil city based tournament

 

If the Sunday league was brought back into a regular league weekly structure, crowds would return. 

 

If the county championship was converted into a three day Thursday/Friday/Saturday format games might end with thrilling finishes

 

The ECB (and Agnew) like to blame Leicester, Derby and Northants for the county game's failings....when their decision to alienate the small.counties introduce centralised contracts and exclude terrestrial TV means that my kids wouldn't recognise Root, Stokes or any other player.......in contrast I was lucky enough as a youngster to watch down Grace Road Gower playing Botham, Willey bowling at Viv Richards, Nico verbally abusing Gooch, Alan Donald bowling at Phil Simmons

Sorry to post in the LCCC thread - but it relates to this post. Sussex (who I follow - I've changed CC allegiance, not football!) are not allowed by ECB to play Joffra Archer in what could have been a vital promotion final match on Sept 23rd (as it turns out we've had an awful day against Derbyshire and it looks like it won't happen now). The county game, it seems, just isn't important to them. 

Edited 17 September 2019 by trabuch

[Stinkenzo]

5 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Jofra Archer only bowled first class cricket in Division 2 

They picked him in the Ashes because of his work around the world, which then got him his world cup. And because he's quick of course

[CosbehFox]

8 hours ago, Walkers said:

They picked him in the Ashes because of his work around the world, which then got him his world cup. And because he's quick of course

But none of that work around the world centred around First Class Cricket and the red ball. Without his games at second tier level in the Championship, Archer doesn’t develop his game. 

 

There’s no doubting there’s a slight difference in quality between the division but like the majority of sports you need a level in which prospects can learn, develop and hone their game.

 

If we remove six counties, that’s 66 first class players gone and the next level for youngsters to develop is club or minor counties cricket. As a dead duck we are at the moment, if it wasn’t for us giving the likes of Stuart Broad  a start he doesn’t have his career. There’s countless examples of Div 2 counties providing those starts to players who go onto be successful. Who knows maybe Azad is the next prospect in that regard ?

Edited 18 September 2019 by Cardiff_Fox

[everton carr]

9 hours ago, trabuch said:

Sorry to post in the LCCC thread - but it relates to this post. Sussex (who I follow - I've changed CC allegiance, not football!) are not allowed by ECB to play Joffra Archer in what could have been a vital promotion final match on Sept 23rd (as it turns out we've had an awful day against Derbyshire and it looks like it won't happen now). The county game, it seems, just isn't important to them. 

Don't agree with the ECB on much but they are right on the occasion the test match didn't finish until late on Sunday was scheduled to go into Monday of course Archer wasn't going to go straight down to play at Derby.If you are a Leicester man sad that you have decided to support another side

[everton carr]

Just now, everton carr said:

Don't agree with the ECB on much but they are right on the occasion the test match didn't finish until late on Sunday was scheduled to go into Monday of course Archer wasn't going to go straight down to play at Derby.If you are a Leicester man sad that you have decided to support another side

Sorry just looked at your post again and you are talking about the game next week.You have a point although don't expect the ECB to allow any of the England boys to play much as I would love to see Buttler playing down here with Lancs

[everton carr]

8 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

But none of that work around the world centred around First Class Cricket and the red ball. Without his games at second tier level in the Championship, Archer doesn’t develop his game. 

 

There’s no doubting there’s a slight difference in quality between the division but like the majority of sports you need a level in which prospects can learn, develop and hone their game.

 

If we remove six counties, that’s 66 first class players gone and the next level for youngsters to develop is club or minor counties cricket. As a dead duck we are at the moment, if it wasn’t for us giving the likes of Stuart Broad  a start he doesn’t have his career. There’s countless examples of Div 2 counties providing those starts to players who go onto be successful. Who knows maybe Azad is the next prospect in that regard ?

66 players more like 120 they all have squads of about 20 at least we had a squad of 24 last season

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

We need to start producing our own players like Worcestershire  and Gloucester, our academy needs to be working and the youngsters given an opportunity to play, we’re bottom of everything, can’t do any worse.

[HaroldBazBo]

I'm sick of them. That normally happens but at least it's taken until now for them to throw in the effort.

 

A couple of seasons ago they looked disinterested halfway through August.

 

Nixon can't blame anyone else from now, he's had two seasons. How some of the players on the books keep getting picked with their averages and someone new not given a go i don't know. There seems to be a clique. He likes hard workers but that's no good if their sheeeeite at batting.

[everton carr]

22 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

We need to start producing our own players like Worcestershire  and Gloucester, our academy needs to be working and the youngsters given an opportunity to play, we’re bottom of everything, can’t do any worse.

We do the best we can but the problem lies with the fact Leicestershire is a very small County with 3 other sides within 40 Miles so the chances of being able to field 8 or 9 players who are good enough are slim to say the least.The fact that Ali Hill Wells have been considered the best players from the academy in the last few years tells you where we are at.Player recruitment the key factor look at players like Reece at Derby Sanderson at Northampton etc outstanding cricketers unwanted elsewhere.We used to be able to do it  with the likes of Habib Millns Wells Pierson etc and more recently Raine and Ned.Thats the area we need to improve We have made some awful signings in the last few years giving Rhodes 3 years beggars belief Lilley should have been offered a white ball contract only if they are not going to play him in the championship

[Voll Blau]

14 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

On a wide note, I utterly deplore the ECB for their systematic slow torture of English county cricket. They believe the answer is to mimic the IPL and big bash. When, in fact, it's the opposite.

 

English cricket works best at a boozy new road, taunton and the one off grounds such as Arundel, Scarborough, Liverpool, Jesmond even. Marquees. Picnics. Booze. Playing on the outfield during breaks. 

 

Instead they've opted in for SKY and 8k crowds kicking about in 20k  test stadiums. And worse still this evil city based tournament

 

If the Sunday league was brought back into a regular league weekly structure, crowds would return. 

 

If the county championship was converted into a three day Thursday/Friday/Saturday format games might end with thrilling finishes

 

The ECB (and Agnew) like to blame Leicester, Derby and Northants for the county game's failings....when their decision to alienate the small.counties introduce centralised contracts and exclude terrestrial TV means that my kids wouldn't recognise Root, Stokes or any other player.......in contrast I was lucky enough as a youngster to watch down Grace Road Gower playing Botham, Willey bowling at Viv Richards, Nico verbally abusing Gooch, Alan Donald bowling at Phil Simmons

 

 

Agree with this, though I don't think a return to three-day games is the answer. The Championship needs to exist to prepare players for Test conditions as much as possible too. Fully in favour of as many games as possible being played over weekends in all formats though!

[Cake]

1 hour ago, everton carr said:

We do the best we can but the problem lies with the fact Leicestershire is a very small County with 3 other sides within 40 Miles so the chances of being able to field 8 or 9 players who are good enough are slim to say the least.The fact that Ali Hill Wells have been considered the best players from the academy in the last few years tells you where we are at.Player recruitment the key factor look at players like Reece at Derby Sanderson at Northampton etc outstanding cricketers unwanted elsewhere.We used to be able to do it  with the likes of Habib Millns Wells Pierson etc and more recently Raine and Ned.Thats the area we need to improve We have made some awful signings in the last few years giving Rhodes 3 years beggars belief Lilley should have been offered a white ball contract only if they are not going to play him in the championship

Agreed. Milnes and Podmore were released and went down to Kent doing very well. 

 

Rhodes is a weird one? Lilley never plays? I'm all for Swindells playing as a bat but Hill is a better keeper, very good keeper. Klein playing at all, Dearden, Horton allowed to play just red ball cricket? Horton as Captain! Dexter playing 40 percent of games over 2  years. Just the tip of the iceberg really. 

[everton carr]

Based on this morning should Wright and even Davis be above Dearden in the batting order?

[Cake]

1 hour ago, everton carr said:

Based on this morning should Wright and even Davis be above Dearden in the batting order?

Probably said it before Davis and Wright have been good additions. Always give 100 percent when bowling, if not getting wickets tend to bowl tight. 

 

Good effort with the bat that. 

[harpendenfox]

So we will have to bat about 130 overs to earn a draw. I suspect no one who follows the County at the moment believes they have the determination and willlpower to achieve that, which is in itself a sad state of affairs. There is a long term culture of mediocrity and under achievement. The coaching staff should be challenging the batters to demonstrate that even they can’t win, they will be bloody hard to beat.

[Corky]

26 minutes ago, harpendenfox said:

So we will have to bat about 130 overs to earn a draw. I suspect no one who follows the County at the moment believes they have the determination and willlpower to achieve that, which is in itself a sad state of affairs. There is a long term culture of mediocrity and under achievement. The coaching staff should be challenging the batters to demonstrate that even they can’t win, they will be bloody hard to beat.

I don't know, we managed it at Durham a few weeks ago.

[UpTheLeagueFox]

Leics 19/2 already in second innings

[everton carr]

1 hour ago, harpendenfox said:

So we will have to bat about 130 overs to earn a draw. I suspect no one who follows the County at the moment believes they have the determination and willlpower to achieve that, which is in itself a sad state of affairs. There is a long term culture of mediocrity and under achievement. The coaching staff should be challenging the batters to demonstrate that even they can’t win, they will be bloody hard to beat.

Awful shot from Horton yet again and Ackerman gets a grand total of 2 runs from the match he's such a great talent shame he fails to deliver so often he should be scoring 1200 runs a season

[Cake]

Well you can look at my posts over time and I've said it for a season and a half Horton sets a bad example. If gets runs at all its a quickish 40. Every other game. Yes there are worse players but as Captain and a top earner he is not good enough. Massive issue outside off stump. Lancashire worked that out years ago. Got ŕid. 

 

Think Ackerman is a great number 5 really not 3. I mean your always facing the new ball. Always. 

Edited 18 September 2019 by Cake

[harpendenfox]

Meanwhile we don’t give Sam Evans, a specialist opener, a run at three. We bring in Rhodes from another county’s second team, and throw him straight in. 

 

I just can’t see any logic at all in this. Indeed I think we gave Hassan, a proven run scorer, a 2 year contract, and Rhodes 3. Utterly baffling.

[Cake]

15 minutes ago, harpendenfox said:

Meanwhile we don’t give Sam Evans, a specialist opener, a run at three. We bring in Rhodes from another county’s second team, and throw him straight in. 

 

I just can’t see any logic at all in this. Indeed I think we gave Hassan, a proven run scorer, a 2 year contract, and Rhodes 3. Utterly baffling.

Makes no sense at all. 

[All foxed out]

22 minutes ago, harpendenfox said:

Meanwhile we don’t give Sam Evans, a specialist opener, a run at three. We bring in Rhodes from another county’s second team, and throw him straight in. 

 

I just can’t see any logic at all in this. Indeed I think we gave Hassan, a proven run scorer, a 2 year contract, and Rhodes 3. Utterly baffling.

 

was it s.evans who played with azad at Loughborough Uni MCCU? Or a.evans? 

[everton carr]

 yep its Sam Nico don't seem to think he's good enough to compete with an 18 average that Dearden has managed